State programmer identifies template for Obama 'forgery'

WND ^ | July 12, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[DiogenesLamp]

From October 30, 2008:“STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO” “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

This statement establishes that there *IS* some sort of birth certificate. It does not establish that is a normal ordinary one.

From July 27, 2009: “STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.” “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.

1."Original vital records" is an interesting choice of words. The plural form of the word "record" might be a slip of the tongue, but if not it seems odd to me that there would be more than one record. The plural form implies something is not as it should be. I would think that most people have ONE birth record. Why would there be two or more?

2.Her statement that he was "born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen." is a non sequitur. It presumes that a Person trained in Medicine would have competence regarding Constitutional law, which she very likely does not. It is just "mouthing off."

3. Nothing in her statement precludes the possibility that his original record is a "born at home" affidavit. It also doesn't establish if she will intentionally call a court ordered replacement birth certificate "original" or not. Clarification is needed on these points.

From May 2, 2010 “Statement from Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI):” “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”

Yes, we have proof he was born here but we can't show it to anybody, but you can rely on our word for it. Such a dodge should not be TOLERATED regarding a question of eligibility for the President of the United States. It is a case of the tail wagging the dog. At least one state needs to do due diligence in this matter on the next election.

[DiogenesLamp]

"Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and he has an impressive background in his activities as a democrat, but his support for the party seemingly stops when it comes to his trust in Barack Hussein Obama."

I put no credibility in the supposed statement of the Grandmother. She was asked a leading question in English, it was translated into Kenyan (or whatever they speak) She replied in Kenyan, and the answer translated back was "Yes." It isn't nailed down well enough to be considered credible in my mind. I've dealt with enough foreigners to know you sometimes cannot get a straight answer from them without rephrasing the question several different ways, and even then you still can't be sure.

Someone I know told me of their troubles in the Army working with Koreans. He would give them instructions on a task to be performed, then ask them if they understood. They ALWAYS said "Yes." But they did the task wrongly anyway. He said that they finally decided the only way to make sure the message got through was to have them repeat their instructions back.

Again, the evidence for whatever Grandma said is pretty flimsy in my mind, and it doesn't even address the fact that Barack Obama Sr. couldn't afford to get him and his wife to Kenya and Back.

[DiogenesLamp]

Since obama was not born in Hawaii, I suspect Fuddy will have a hard time doing so.

I would not be so certain that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. The possibility exists that he wasn't, but MOST of the evidence appears to confirm that he was. The cases for Outside of Hawaii birth is mostly circumstantial.

[DiogenesLamp]

Since no one has presented credible evidence to any court or committee of Congress that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, I don’t expect much will happen with two or twenty subpoenas.

Want to see whatever Hawaii has on file for Barack Obama, if anything? Go to a judge, get a court order.

But they won't give you standing, so You are hobbled by Lawyer tricks right there. George Washington would have marched in with the Army and told them to quit obstructing and hand over the d@mned document.

[DiogenesLamp]

A Hawaii birth record can be released to “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

Follow the law, get to see what they have, or don’t have.

According to my reading of the pertinent Hawaiian law, Election officials have the right to request the document if it is needed to establish credentials for an election. The question is, will Hawaii send in the ORIGINAL document for an Adopted child, or will they send the REPLACEMENT document for an Adopted child?

Too much wiggle room if you ask me.

[jh4freedom]

“This statement establishes that there *IS* some sort of birth certificate. It does not establish that is a normal ordinary one.

1.”Original vital records” is an interesting choice of words. The plural form of the word “record” might be a slip of the tongue, but if not it seems odd to me that there would be more than one record. The plural form implies something is not as it should be. I would think that most people have ONE birth record. Why would there be two or more?

2.Her statement that he was “born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.” is a non sequitur. It presumes that a Person trained in Medicine would have competence regarding Constitutional law, which she very likely does not. It is just “mouthing off.”

3. Nothing in her statement precludes the possibility that his original record is a “born at home” affidavit. It also doesn’t establish if she will intentionally call a court ordered replacement birth certificate “original” or not. Clarification is needed on these points.

Yes, we have proof he was born here but we can’t show it to anybody, but you can rely on our word for it. Such a dodge should not be TOLERATED regarding a question of eligibility for the President of the United States. It is a case of the tail wagging the dog. At least one state needs to do due diligence in this matter on the next election.”

The current Hawaii Health Department Director was a bit more explicit: “The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

Either a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation along with a judge’s court order for release of any and all original birth records might well provide answers to your questions and doubts, however no one seems very interested in either of those approaches to final resolution.
From what I can tell, the judiciary and the legislative branch have taken the comments of Hawaii officials at literal face value.
For example: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Speaker John Boehner

“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all. It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Majority Leader Cantor

[PA-RIVER]

I get the same as you.
Entry 3 - Twin Box copied from entry 7g, yes box.
Entry 4 - 1st and 2nd box, one copied from the other.

These two sets of boxes that are duplicated are specifically for twin data, replaced to note a single birth. They are the only boxes duplicated, verbatim.

The odds are 100 billion to one that this happened naturally. There is no way in hell this document is legitimate. None.

[jh4freedom]

According to my reading of the pertinent Hawaiian law, Election officials have the right to request the document if it is needed to establish credentials for an election. The question is, will Hawaii send in the ORIGINAL document for an Adopted child, or will they send the REPLACEMENT document for an Adopted child?

I guarantee you with 100% metaphysical certitude that they will send a short form COLB identical to the one Zero posted on his web site in 2008.

[ILS21R]

A raised Seal doesn’t show up in a photocopy or a scan of a pdf. file.

Correct. The fabricated pdf obama BC is not a valid legal document and no court would recognize it. Let's move on.

However the short form COLB has a raised Seal.

A foreign-born child could easily receive a Hawaiian COLB. Obama was born in Kenya and he received one.

The state Registrar would not have put his athentification stamp on a document that didn’t have a raised Seal and the Hawaii Directors of Health, across two different administrations would not have issued statesments of authentification for a document that didn’t conform to state standards.

Without a raised seal, the state Registrar wouldn't have to sign it. It could be copied form another BC and "pasted" onto obama's. Which is exactly what happen.

If there were legitimate questions about the authenticity of the birth certificate, I’m sure a grand jury investigation would have been convened by now.

I've already gone over this several times with you now. Nobody wants to responsible for creating a constitutional crisis during the obama depression.

You’re going to need to prove it to a Court of Law or a Committee of Congress. In the four years since Zero announced that he was running, no one has been able to convince a court or a committee of Congress of your opinion.

It's not my opinion. It is a fact that obama was born in Kenya. Unless you want to call obama's grandmother a liar.

[jh4freedom]

“I’ve already gone over this several times with you now. Nobody wants to responsible for creating a constitutional crisis during the obama depression.”

Then I guess we must be discussing it just for the fun of the intellectual exercise?

“It’s not my opinion. It is a fact that obama was born in Kenya. Unless you want to call obama’s grandmother a liar.”

I call Obama’s grandmother a liar.

The state of Hawaii says that Barack Hussein Obama II was born at 7:24 p.m. on Friday, August 4, 1961 at Kapi’olani Gynecological and Maternity Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. The attending physician was Dr. David A. Sinclair.
Barack Hussein Obama Senior and Stanely Ann Dunham Obama signed the birth certificate on August 7, 1961 and Dr. Sinclair signed it and registered the birth with the state of Hawaii on August 8, 1961. Two contemporaneous birth announcements appeared in the Vital Statistics section of the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper on August 13, 1961 and in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten newspaper on August 14, 1961.
I’ll go with a state of the union over Kenyan granny.

Here’s a link to a youtube video of the former state Health Department director for the state of Hawaii verifying the authenticity of the Obama birth records:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2011/04/26/ac.tuchman.fukino.intv.cnn.html

I apologize in advance for the commercial you have to watch before you can see and hear Dr. Fukino in her own words.

[PA-RIVER]

I examined the PDF, and saw near the bottom, odd patterns, that I believe are the raised seal. This was done the day they created this piece of garbage in April 2011.

I believe they did put the seal on it. It's very hard to see because of the green security pattern, but its there.

So far, the Twin Boxes is the most obvious issue that has not been satisfactorily explained in my mind. They are not natural. They are the smoking gun. They defy all logic unless the document is a copy and paste forgery.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

It is a fact that obama was born in Kenya. Unless you want to call obama's grandmother a liar.

You're aware that she corrected herself right away, aren't you? So which time was she lying, in your opinion?

[ILS21R]

I call Obama’s grandmother a liar.

Ok, I call Fukino a liar and her body language gives her away. Thanks for the vid. So, I have an eyewitness to the birth and you have a pol.

Here is something from a WND article. Keep in mind they are only the messenger.

"Adding a twist to the dispute is a separate claim on the MyBarackObama.com campaign website that lists a genealogy for Obama citing his birthplace as Queen's Medical Center. The campaign website blog image: Claim on MyBarackObama.com that Obama was born in Queen's Medical Center The site documents Obama's lineage back to his great-great-great grandparents, who lived in the mid-1800s. It states: "Barack Hussein OBAMA was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein OBAMA, Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann DUNHAM of Wichita, Kansas." Read more: Obama birth mystery: More than 1 hospital http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103306#ixzz1SD4GjTLM

The rest of the article is a good read. Of course, I don't believe he was born at Queen's Medical Center either. Obama was born in Kenya.

[ILS21R]

You're aware that she corrected herself right away, aren't you? So which time was she lying, in your opinion?

Truth comes first, coaching comes next.

[curiosity]

I find the notion that she could have initiated the paperwork for a born out of state Barack to be put into the Hawaiian Database. She had the means, motive, and opportunity to have done so.

What was her motive?

[curiosity]

I call Obama’s grandmother a liar.

That's unfair. The poor woman never said Obama II was born in Kenya. She answered "yes" when asked, through a translator, whether she was "present" when Obama was born, but it's clear from the rest of the interview she misunderstood the question. She thought the interviewer was asking her whether she was in Kenya while Obama was born in Hawaii. It's all there in the transcript.

[curiosity]

It's not my opinion. It is a fact that obama was born in Kenya.

Not it is not. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest Obama was born in Kenya.

Unless you want to call obama's grandmother a liar.

She never said he was born in Kenya. It is clear from the full transcript of her call with "Bishop" McRea that she never intended to state or even imply that he was born in Kenya.

[curiosity]

The question is, will Hawaii send in the ORIGINAL document for an Adopted child, or will they send the REPLACEMENT document for an Adopted child?

It doesn't matter. The only items that can change on a BC upon an adoption are the parents' names and the child's name, none of which is relevant to a candidate's eligibility for office. The only items that matter are place of birth and date of birth, and those don't change.

[jh4freedom]

“Ok, I call Fukino a liar and her body language gives her away. Thanks for the vid. So, I have an eyewitness to the birth and you have a pol.

Here is something from a WND article. Keep in mind they are only the messenger.

“Adding a twist to the dispute is a separate claim on the MyBarackObama.com campaign website that lists a genealogy for Obama citing his birthplace as Queen’s Medical Center. The campaign website blog image: Claim on MyBarackObama.com that Obama was born in Queen’s Medical Center The site documents Obama’s lineage back to his great-great-great grandparents, who lived in the mid-1800s. It states: “Barack Hussein OBAMA was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein OBAMA, Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann DUNHAM of Wichita, Kansas.” Read more: Obama birth mystery: More than 1 hospital http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103306#ixzz1SD4GjTLM

The rest of the article is a good read. Of course, I don’t believe he was born at Queen’s Medical Center either. Obama was born in Kenya.”

If anybody can prove your theory and convince a court of law or a congressional committee, more power to ‘em.

Oh, by the way, it was a high school reporter for the Punahou School newspaper who named Queens as Obama’s birth hospital.

It’s an honest mistake, folks in Hawaii get Queens confused with Kapi’olani since the name Kapi’olani comes from another Queen of Hawaii.

Here’s a link to the original high school newspaper article:
http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/obama/re040523.pdf

But all this is irrelevant. Under Article IV, Section 1 of the US Consititution, whatever the state of Hawaii says is an authentic birth record is all that will ever be needed.

[ILS21R]

Here’s a link to the original high school newspaper article:

Thanks, but I prefer the WND link which shows numerous occurrences to Queen's.

But all this is irrelevant. Under Article IV, Section 1 of the US Consititution, whatever the state of Hawaii says is an authentic birth record is all that will ever be needed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711426/posts

Lingle, Fukino, Abercrombie... What NOW you Liars in Hawaii? 04/27/2011 | Me

Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:42:34 PM by Responsibility2nd

For months now the various official liars in Hawaii have been telling us...

Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate Hawaii slams door on birth certificates Does Hawaii ever release long-form birth certificates? "What he got, everybody got," Fukino said during the interview. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate." Update: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!

And yet... Obama sends a stooge to Hawaii and lo and behold! He comes forth with a document that Hawaiin officials said does not exist and can not be provided.

How exactly did this happen?.....

So.... please understand, I'm not trying to make you look foolish and you can keep spouting "what hawaii says" nonsense until your head falls off. But a reasonable person would come to the conclusion that Hawaiian officials are not trustworthy and obama was not born in Hawaii. There is no valid long form birth certificate with a raised seal on it. Just people who lie they have seen it.

Obama was born in Kenya.