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McCain on the Debt Limit (McCain stabs Bachmann, calls on GOP to surrender to Dems)
National Review ^ | 2011-07-14

Posted on 07/14/2011 4:06:35 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

As rain splatters the windows of Sen. John McCain’s second-floor office on Capitol Hill, the 74-year-old Arizona Republican leans back, clasps his hands, and recalls the Nineties. Brinksmanship, he says, cost the party then, and it could cripple Republicans this summer — especially if Rep. Michele Bachmann gets her way.

Over in the House, “I am told that it is very difficult,” McCain says. “There are Republicans who are committed, like Michele Bachmann, to vote against raising the debt limit under any circumstances.” Bachmann, he warns, is acting “sort of like Senator Obama did.”

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Yet as poorly as Obama has handled the negotiations, anger with the president, McCain says, may be clouding the party’s judgment at a time when its political fortunes are improving. “If I were Boehner and Cantor, I’d get one of our highly respected Republican pollsters to come over and brief them,” he says. “Right now, we’re not winning the battle.”

Fifteen years ago, President Clinton blamed Republicans for the 1995 government shutdown and won reelection. In similar fashion, McCain argues that a debt default would give President Obama “total victory” in 2012, “just like it was total victory for Clinton when Dole and Gingrich had to cave in 1995.”

“I appreciate the zeal and fervor of my colleagues; I want us to get an agreement,” McCain says, but with the financial markets uneasy and Obama intent on raising taxes, it is time for Republicans to continue the debate on a fresh front.

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1 posted on 07/14/2011 4:06:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

I am doubting Rush is right on this. He is over 99% but his call about changing the GOP is a couple elections away. At least 2.


2 posted on 07/14/2011 4:09:19 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain = PURE EVIL


3 posted on 07/14/2011 4:12:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I think McCain knows he’s been neutered so he’s become a crabby old codger pulling his turtle head down into his progressive old body.

Everybody is pretty aware he threw the 2008 election almost on purpose by rushing back to full frontal support of the TARP Bill when Sarah Palin had started pulling their polls beyond Obamajaad.

To me, he’s deemed him irrelevant.


4 posted on 07/14/2011 4:17:22 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: rabscuttle385
Very few people I wish bad things to befall......let's just say I hope McCain has a reason to retire...real soon.
5 posted on 07/14/2011 4:18:21 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: rabscuttle385

TERM LIMITS!!!! The ONLY way to save our dying nation.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 4:20:12 PM PDT by Post5203 (Our political class have sullied a good man's name...Washington)
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To: rabscuttle385

Democrat appeaser


7 posted on 07/14/2011 4:20:19 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If not, why?)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain is a progressive half-wit, and that half is senile.


8 posted on 07/14/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by pallis
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain is acting on reflex from his days as a pow. He is kissing up to the Communists in the hopes of better treatment. He did it so much back in those days that it is automatic now.

McCain needs many sessions on the couch but one should not listen to him.

p.s. McInsane may be evil, too. He is saying this knowing that Rush Limbaugh will not be on the radio tomorrow. McWimp timed his appeasement at the most opportune moment. Rush will not even be able to comment on McCain's appeasement.

9 posted on 07/14/2011 4:21:43 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: rabscuttle385
I don't mean any disrespect, but when is McShame just going to die? Of natural causes, of course.

It's a fitting wish for your sworn enemy?

10 posted on 07/14/2011 4:24:11 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: rabscuttle385

Anyone who would support McCain has a credibility problem.


11 posted on 07/14/2011 4:24:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain, STFU!
13 posted on 07/14/2011 4:25:14 PM PDT by Bronzewound (When radicals begin to follow rules, are they still radicals?)
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To: Baynative
OOpps - #12 is quoted from the VETERANS DISPATCH
14 posted on 07/14/2011 4:26:39 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If not, why?)
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To: RowdyFFC

He threw the election when he told America during the campaign, ‘Senator Obama is a good family man not to be afraid of.’


15 posted on 07/14/2011 4:26:51 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Over 70-ish folks like McCain, Reid, and Pelosi have long outlived their usefulness in government.


16 posted on 07/14/2011 4:27:42 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: rabscuttle385

If McCain is in favor of raising the debt ceiling it must be the wrong thing to do.


17 posted on 07/14/2011 4:30:21 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain: part of the problem since 1987!


18 posted on 07/14/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Don’t blame me. I gave money to J.D. Hayworth.


19 posted on 07/14/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: edge10

Correction, part of the problem since 1983!


20 posted on 07/14/2011 4:35:24 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: familyop
Anyone who would support McCain has a credibility problem.

"Hey! I resemble that remark!"

21 posted on 07/14/2011 4:39:48 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: screaminsunshine
I am doubting Rush is right on this...

It doesn't matter what McCain says...he's wrong.

22 posted on 07/14/2011 4:40:27 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)
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To: rabscuttle385

A white Obama!


23 posted on 07/14/2011 4:40:47 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

True. But Rush says we can change the GOP. Do you think there is time?


24 posted on 07/14/2011 4:41:40 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Popman

I like to express it this way: I don’t wish McCain any bad luck, but if he had some I wouldn’t mind hearing about it.


25 posted on 07/14/2011 4:43:01 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: screaminsunshine

It depends on how effective the TEApublicans are at commandeering the caucus. Of course that is only the House, and the Senate is a whole ‘nuther bunch of you-know-whats.


26 posted on 07/14/2011 4:44:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

At least the House could hold the line. Like Bastogne. We await the 3rd Army and clear sky. This ain’t gonna be easy.


27 posted on 07/14/2011 4:47:51 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“McCain on the Debt Limit (McCain stabs Bachmann, calls on GOP to surrender to Dems)”

Yeah, McLame is someone I want to take strategy from.

Gang this and that, demonizing conservatives who opposed amnesty, booster for Obummer during the 2008 election.

What could go wrong from listening to this hack?


28 posted on 07/14/2011 4:48:11 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: rabscuttle385

29 posted on 07/14/2011 4:53:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: rabscuttle385

“...I don’t want a repeat of 1996,” McCain says. “But if we ignore the lessons of history, we will be doomed to repeat them.” In the Nineties, he reminds me, “President Clinton, the most adroit politician I’ve ever encountered, painted Republicans into a corner and the repercussions reverberated.”

How about learning from the lessons of today? A Blue State governor just caved in to united Republicans in MN- of all places- and this guy’s still wandering around thinking it’s 1995.


30 posted on 07/14/2011 4:54:27 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I cancelled my GOP membership awhile back.
I do, however, want to thank McCain, Graham, Scott Browne, Snowe, and Collins for helping me make that decision easier. =.=


31 posted on 07/14/2011 4:54:27 PM PDT by cranked
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To: rabscuttle385
John, John, John....

Your Grandfather never waived the white flag when he was winning...Why do you?


32 posted on 07/14/2011 4:55:55 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Senate is notorious for looking down its nose at House members and McCain is one of the oldest of the old-boy Senators.

I’m sure he finds it quite galling that a relatively young Congresswoman is getting more buzz in the primaries than he did.


33 posted on 07/14/2011 4:58:25 PM PDT by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE.)
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To: rabscuttle385

So, McCain, as he often does, when he thinks we are “not winning the battle” thinks it’s time to NOT fight to defend what he thinks we are losing on.

If we are “losing” is it because we are wrong, or because those like McCain would rather capitulate to the media-inspired poll numbers than fight to change the perceptions of people. Typical McPain.


34 posted on 07/14/2011 5:27:29 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Bob Dole was a stiff like you

GOP did not lose the House or Senate after the Shutdown?

35 posted on 07/14/2011 5:36:24 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain bears a great amount of responsibility for the current financial disaster.

He should have the decency to sit back and shut up while his betters do the hard and unforgiving work of trying to repair the damage he and other professional pols have done to the nation.


36 posted on 07/14/2011 5:53:54 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“If I were Boehner and Cantor, I’d get one of our highly respected Republican pollsters to come over and brief them,”

Because real leaders always do what the polls say. /s

What a pathetic excuse for a Senator.

37 posted on 07/14/2011 6:33:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: rabscuttle385

OK, McCain is addled in some ways, but he has some good points:
1. Typical of him to bash GOP more than the Democrats (sigh) but he is right that the Bachmann position is conveniently purist and a non-solution. Does Bachmann really want default, shutdown etc.?
2. “ with the financial markets uneasy and Obama intent on raising taxes, it is time for Republicans to continue the debate on a fresh front.” - That’s the problem here. We have GOP folks like McCain pre-caving, signalling weakness.

We need instead of signalling throwing-in-the-towel, to change the game by:
(1) Taking default OFF the table with Full Faith and Credit clause in WHATEVER debt ceiling add-on if put in place so it NEVER becomes questioned again.
(2) McConnell’s deal should NOT extend for more than 3 months. Too short? Tell Obama he has a choice - ‘a 1-for-1 deal at whatever level you want, spending cuts only; or 3 month extension mcconnell deal.’

3. The most important point - PASS A DEBT CEILING INCREASE IN THE HOUSE AND CHALLENGE THE SENATE TO DO THE SAME. The WH theatre is a bunch of nonsense.


38 posted on 07/14/2011 7:41:16 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: Qbert; rabscuttle385

Its worse than that ... McCain was there in 1995 and got his history wrong.

The media did a number on Gingrich and the PR war was lost, but Gingrich did NOT cave. Most of the Kasich-Gingrich budget was intact by the end of negotiations, and it was that budget that ended the deficits in 5 years!

And so today Liberals give credit to Clinton for balancing the budget, which ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE THE GOP CONGRESS FORCED CLINTON TO COME TO TERMS THROUGH A SHUTDOWN!

And we forget this history and allow the liberal rewrite to become the ‘truth’.


39 posted on 07/14/2011 7:48:11 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: Qbert

“How about learning from the lessons of today? A Blue State governor just caved in to united Republicans in MN- of all places- and this guy’s still wandering around thinking it’s 1995.”

Good point.

Consistency, firmness and a strong, unified team wins policy battles, then and now.


40 posted on 07/14/2011 7:56:48 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: rabscuttle385

FUJM !


41 posted on 07/14/2011 9:56:36 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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