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Farm Thieves...Target Grapes, Even Bees (Warning For Those of Us Buying Farmland)
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Posted on 07/22/2011 6:14:22 AM PDT by quesney

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To: GenXteacher; MrB
A pity. My opinion is that all states should take a more Texan view. Thieves are nothing more than two legged vermin, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Yup. California's problem with property rights is directly traceable to its alternative developed value. That means many a "farmer" is actually a land investor holding the piece at low property taxes under the Williamson Act looking to cash in. Meanwhile, "green groups" and government agencies, often sponsored by bigger real estate investors, are looking to swipe it, cheap. Hence Delta Smelt, coho salmon, or any number of other causes.

41 posted on 07/22/2011 7:45:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Defense of property is not justification for the use of lethal force in California, as is true in most states.

When TEOTWAWKI
Godzilla arises
astroid strikes
zombie apocolypse
economic meltdown
the day welfare checks stop forever, those laws will be mute.

42 posted on 07/22/2011 7:59:17 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: MrB

We have zero trouble knowing the right thing to do.


43 posted on 07/22/2011 8:00:34 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Keep them indoors most of the time – they still fulfill their warning and protective duties for what’s really important and they themselves are protected from those threats.


44 posted on 07/22/2011 8:06:08 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: quesney

I own a small farm. I have chickens and turkeys that I keep as close to the house as I can. 14 birds all told. If they start disappearing, well I own a shotgun as well, no matter what “critter” is stealing them.


45 posted on 07/22/2011 8:42:38 AM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: NVDave

I live on a farm. I own 4 pugs, does that count? LOL, seriously though, we also own a GS/Wolf hybrid.....he isn’t all that quick, and he’s really old but he looks mean enough.

He’s maybe got a year or two left and I am planning on replacing him with a Boxer inside the house and another shepherd outside using an invisible fence to keep that one from wandering.

I figger if the bad guys (by some miracle make it past the GS, they have the Boxer to deal with. If they make it past both dogs, well the missus has her .38 and I have my shotgun.


46 posted on 07/22/2011 8:47:17 AM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“When the SHTF and its going to.”

Literally everyone I talk to lately can feel it coming. We’ve already moved my MIL out here from the city just this month and I have two of our three daughters here.....just in case.

My 19 y/o daughter won’t leave the city until the S actually HTF, even though I’ve explained to her that it will likely be far too late by then.


47 posted on 07/22/2011 8:55:50 AM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: quesney
FWIW, having experience with fruit and vegetable farming (ranching) in California, much of this story is borderline nonsense.

Table grapes are not usually 'packed in a plastic bag' like the deputy said and then taken to market. Table grapes are harvested by hand as soon as they are ripe enough to pass a brix (sugar) minimum level. Why? Because that is when the market is the highest and the window for harvest is brief, a matter of a week or two at max for each and every row of vines. Harvest crews are very experienced and skilful carefully removing with razor sharp cutting tools heavy , hot bunches of grapes and placing them into 23 lb boxes stacked in the field so that they can be immediately loaded and taken to a facility to be hydro-cooled, weighed, inspected ( on site USDA and California Dept of Ag.) and then to market, usually shipped in 18 wheel reefers. Open a box at your grocers and be amazed at the lack of spoilage and damage, the fact that virtually all grapes are still on the vines and artfully arranged in the box, etc.

So for thieves to come up to a vineyard unnoticed by crews of often more than a hundred workers, foremen, drivers etc. is highly unlikely as they would be immediately questioned. And for thieves to approach a field just before the grapes are ready, at best a matter of days, would require a great amount of skill just to know how to harvest. High risk and low reward - a few hands of grapes after lots of work in a scratchy, hot vineyard. Equal concerns for other crops like stonefruits, avocadoes, etc.

Now copper pipes and wire are a different matter.

48 posted on 07/22/2011 9:16:23 AM PDT by masadaman
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Many people don’t realize that a standard size (big) poodle makes an excellent guard dog. They’re not intimidating-looking, however, but are very alert to intrusion and are highly intelligent. So are the medium-sized poodles. Poodles have an image problem, unfortunately.


49 posted on 07/22/2011 9:21:49 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Grunthor

I hear ya. We are about 60 days from moving to a retreat in the N GA mountains. We are purchasing a large enough place to house 8 family members, 3 dogs and a cat.

Trying to exist in the Metro Atlanta area when the SHTF is going to be impossibly dangerous and there probably won’t be adequate or safe water and food. Who wants to sit up 24 hours a day trying to defend a house that sits 75 ft off the street on a half acre lot?


50 posted on 07/22/2011 9:48:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: super7man
Ah....Mexico..... They are just bringing their cultural tradition here.

But, but, but, liberals 'feel' good about themselves when they protect the 'brown' peoples of the world... and isn't that what it's really about? Liberals being able to feel good about themselves...

51 posted on 07/22/2011 9:59:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: NVDave

Check out FerFals blog for his opinion on dogs in a rural setting.


52 posted on 07/22/2011 10:00:20 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The perps should become fertilizer.


53 posted on 07/22/2011 10:44:18 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: quesney
I grew up in this Big Valley.

Nothing new here.

Walnut farmer always figure 10-20% loss due to theft, or they used to.

A pick-up load of Walnuts or Almonds is worth some bucks.

And, those who go into those orchards at night are taking a big risk...40 years ago they would be find a few every year face down in the irrigation canals.

I'm guessing CSI technologies have put a damper on that activity.

However, there will be violence. A farmer can't lose those volumes, often his profit margin.

54 posted on 07/22/2011 10:47:57 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Carry_Okie

Let’s be honest. The United States is a Second World nation with a Third World philosophy. What’s the difference between the bums who steal from farms in California’s Central Valley and the teachers in the Atlanta school system that abetted cheating? What’s the difference between the bums who gave mortgages to deadbeats who could never pay for their home, and Iowa meatpackers who stocked their personnel with illegal immigrants? What’s the difference between Wall Street jockeys who live off insider trading and the thousands of clown who occupy the M Street corridor and use the venality of Congress to their own purpose? What’s the difference in cheating scandals that hime impacted Ohio State and Michigan? USC and Oregon? Need I continue?


55 posted on 07/22/2011 11:11:22 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: Red_Devil 232

Thanks quesney.


56 posted on 07/22/2011 12:35:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MileHi

Very nice....


57 posted on 07/22/2011 12:52:49 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Mamzelle
99% of miniature poodles give all other poodles a bad name.
58 posted on 07/22/2011 1:03:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: quesney

Grow atypical crops that most city rats won’t recognize as food, get a good fierce dog, and keep your gates charged and locked. And maybe keep a few greenbriars or nettle patches strategically placed.


59 posted on 07/22/2011 1:41:49 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: quesney
For a while up here, we had problems with meth cookers stealing Anhydrous Ammonia.

They'd use propane cylinders and thief off of the trailers used to haul the fertilizer in.

(Note: the Anhydrous Ammonia discolors the brass valve and turns it blue, in case you want to know something to look for).

Farmers who kept water troughs near the equipment in case some leaked on them started dumping the troughs (nasty stuff, it'll burn you).

I think the formula for Meth changed, as that seems to have settled down.

60 posted on 07/23/2011 3:33:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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