Posted on 07/22/2011 6:04:32 PM PDT by Nachum
Negotiations on a debt ceiling increase broke down when President Obama made a late push for additional tax increases House Speaker John Boehner said late Friday, countering the president's account of the swiftly-deteriorating talks. Moments after Obama professed to be puzzled at Republicans' unwillingness to accept "an extraordinarily fair deal," Boehner said it was the president who scuttled the plan. "The White House moved the goal posts," he said, with Obama demanding $400 billion in revenues beyond what the two had already agreed to. "It's the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute."
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Great shot on Neil Cavuto’s 2 hour program this morning of the meeting with Barack Obama. He is speaking but John Boehner is seriously contemplating his cup of tea! What a great display of body language!
Gridlock can be a taxpayer’s best friend, every day the debt ceiling is not raised, is a good day. : )
It’s not the pressure. It’s the votes.
Boehner is one-man, one-vote. He still has the practicality of presenting a budget that the rest of the party will vote for, to which some of those Republicans would not have the support of their constituents if they voted for the sort of budget you like, which I like too.
If the Republicans can a balanced budget, with minimal tax increases and minimal debt ceiling increase, that would be enough for now. Next time budget talks are held, that’s when roll-backs can start to happen.
Raising the debt is not a minimal tax increase.
You gotta start somewhere.
I'm not sure I follow your logic. Boehner and the GOP-controlled House passed a budget back in April. It's been the Senate and the President who have held things up - and there's nothing Boehner can do about it.
Boehner's holding the line here as well. He's not given in to raising taxes, and he's publicly castigating the President for his duplicitous negotiating.
Boehner's doing what he was sent to DC to do... The fact nothing much has happened is a result of the Democrats controlling the Senate and the Presidency. Nothing can happen unless you get the Democrats to concede - and that's what Boehner is pushing for.
I grant what you are saying.
I knew about his daddy’s bar and all and have vague recollections of some kind of business he ran.
But even about his work as a kid he’s sentimental and weepy, as if he were in some 1850 Dickensian sweatshop rather than proud of the family and his role in it.
I don’t despise him or his past. You guys are right about him having a normal and honorable personal history.
I just don’t understand why a man can’t act like one once he gets to Washington. If he has half a brain (and spine) Boehner ought to realize that people are starved for the truth and that he’s in a great position to deliver it.
Appreciate your posts.
” The game is up for BO and his asinine Keynesian economics.”
It is over for Obama if we don’t flinch.
” What ain’t over pal? Complaints?”
No, conclusions.
Like what?
You and me both. I have hoped that his sentimental / weepy moments have been because he truly cares about this nation and knows just how dire of straights we are in and how much of the DC universe just doesn't get or serve real people anymore. That said - I'd prefer sentimental in private and tough honest talk in public.
If he has half a brain (and spine) Boehner ought to realize that people are starved for the truth and that he’s in a great position to deliver it. Again - I fully agree with you. My gut tells me we turned a corner in 2010. My brain is putting up arguments. I want to trust my gut. What happened in 2010 was so significant in my opinion. Real people voted and caused real change. A huge and massive difference from the pelosi house and in all honesty a massive difference from any House (save a couple in the mid 90's) for a long time.
Is it real or an anomoly? Are everyday people - those precious independents, Baby Boomers, Greatest generation, and young generations finally waking up to the fact that we have 60+ years of social experiments failing under it's own weight? Do they realize that we are 14 trillion in debt and increasing every day? Is there enough new recognition that there is no such thing as a free lunch to make up for the 45%+ that take more from fed than put in? Is there a realization that the rich actually make jobs and pay way the hell more than their fair share?
That is what my brain wonders. I hope 2010 was a sea change, 2012 will be a test of that though I don't think it is the end all be all. A nation like ours doesn't change overnight and there is a lot of momentum in a system I want to see changed so I know it will take time. I know it is possible, but we have to figure out some way to keep the non-die hards from getting fatigued and dropping back into complaceny - which is what has got us where we are today.
That is going to be the hardest part. Most of the useful complacent are complacent because they are busy raising families and working. I don't know how they can stay mobilized for long.
Appreciate your posts.
And I yours - take care
No tax increases, period.
Spending cuts at least equal to debt limit increase, with triggers to close it off periodically if Obama snakes us(which he will....he’s a thug.
Yes. Seems a key point in the country’s history, doesn’t it.
I find myself worrying (and grousing) about education these days, the work ethic or lack of one, that poll lately that says most Americans now see the U.S. “as just one of many good but similar countries”—not as “the greatest” or “exceptional”—and race relations and the smothering size of government, etc. etc. etc.
And I tell myself that my grandfather saw the world going to hell, and my father saw Social Security as the first loop in the downward spiral (of course he was right), and both of them growling about the 60s, the media during Vietnam, and Watergate—on and on.
But. This. This seems different doesn’t it? Very nearly two separate countries. Those who believe in government, and the more the better, and—us.
During the next election, and possibly the one after, the chance to decide will be before us. And if not then—forever lost.
I agree to all.
Yes it does. Not so much a new direction, but the chance to change course back to the original direction.
I find myself worrying (and grousing)...
Me too. But I find solace in the fact that that state of affairs is really because the original intent and founding was so damn succesful. It created the atmosphere from which complacency sprang up. Those who think we are not exceptional think "poor" is no cable television. Those who think we are not exceptional think everyone is free because we are and don't understand that speaking out in some places will get you put against a wall and shot, or that a girl learning to read could get her stoned to death. They don't understand that freedom isn't free and comes with a hell of a lot of responsibility. I think they can, with time.
But. This. This seems different doesn’t it? Very nearly two separate countries. Those who believe in government, and the more the better, and—us.
It's not a new division - it has always been around. Really not much different than those who throughout history have looked at monarchs as "choosen" to lead. and those who wish to be free. It's not even relatively new in the US. There have always been those that want to have the comfort of being led and those that wanted to lead themselves. There hasn't always been a 24-hour media cycle and JIT interconnected global economy, but it's always been there. We just need to get back to the individual freedom and associated expectation of individual responsibility. That and getting rid of useless beauracracy...
During the next election, and possibly the one after, the chance to decide will be before us. And if not then—forever lost.
Very little is forever lost, and this experiment - no matter how hard some might try - will never be lost. It was born from freedom every person wants deep down in their heart or soul. It took thousands of years of human history for this experiment to get underway. The geneie is out now and there is nothing that can stop it. There will always be hurdles and tough times - but there is no way to lose it forever.
Take care
I was on the road with only my BlackBerry to check most of the time, so I didn't go into long comments, but you're right, it's my opinion based on two other posts I saw about the same thing, all from "inside sources." So who knows? Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Traveling a lot.
Always a pleasure to chat with a REAL conservative.
Have a pleasant weekend.
“But even about his work as a kid he’s sentimental and weepy, as if he were in some 1850 Dickensian sweatshop rather than proud of the family and his role in it.”
Well, leading up to and including, the “American dream” part of it when he choked up, I took it that he was very proud of his family but overcome with emotion and humility about where he is today compared to his humble beginnings. I notice he also does it about kids. I personally don’t think it has anything to do with his ability to be tough when he needs to, but then I’m a chick (and maybe it’s a guy thing :-) It IS unfortunate, though, that since he’s Republican, it’s made him the butt of every leftist entertainer’s jokes out there.
Don’t know whether you saw it, but last night Hannity had Jeb Bush on and when it came up about Boehner’s sentimentality, etc., he joked that “well, we cry a lot in my family, as you know” and talked about being so close to his dad and brothers. They showed a couple of clips of Bush 41 giving a speech where he was talking about how proud he was of Jeb (who was in the audience) and he broke up twice. Then when Jeb was talking about his dad to Sean, he almost got verklempt himself.
I guess it’s just a matter of personal taste and, perhaps, culture. I’ll admit I cringe when I see a “Boehner moment” that I know we’ll have to see and hear about from every liberal comedian, MSNBC et al for weeks to come.
Hannity said it right, though, when he began calling BHO the Crybaby in Chief, meaning he’s a spoiled, petulant whiner when he doesn’t get his way. One could never say that about Boehner.
(I appreciate your posts as well, FW :-)
I know you were talking about Zer0. I gave the football information about Boehner to amplify what you were saying when you said, “That guy is too puny for goal posts.” Boehner from his experience in football would clean Zer0’s clock on the gridiron. You don’t get a nickname, “the Bone,” for nothing.
You are right.
Boehner may get teary but he doesn’t stamp his little foot about his boyfriend of moment not answering his calls!
lol
Boehner has managed to hold his ground so far and he just may soft-pedal his way into victory on this mess.
I will be pulling for him even if his style isn’t the one I’d choose.
Cheers!
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