Posted on 07/22/2011 6:04:32 PM PDT by Nachum
Negotiations on a debt ceiling increase broke down when President Obama made a late push for additional tax increases House Speaker John Boehner said late Friday, countering the president's account of the swiftly-deteriorating talks. Moments after Obama professed to be puzzled at Republicans' unwillingness to accept "an extraordinarily fair deal," Boehner said it was the president who scuttled the plan. "The White House moved the goal posts," he said, with Obama demanding $400 billion in revenues beyond what the two had already agreed to. "It's the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute."
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” If he can succeed in holding the line and marginaling BO in the process and avoiding the dangers of default (real or perceived) he will have accomplished something huge in my uniformed opinion. “
A “real or perceived” default would cut BS discretionary spending, and the voters would blame Obama by a wide margin. That is why the SOB was whining and stammering today. He KNOWS the voters will blame him!
yes
Obama walked away because he was afraid that the GOP would take the deal. Without a “crisis” Obummer cant continue his destructive path.
“Obama wants to destroy the economy either by destroying the dollar or by overburdening us with taxes. The last thing he wants is a deal.”
Yes, he doesn’t want ANY deal, not even a short-term, dollar for dollar one. Our defaulting would accomplish a lot of his goals to destroy us - and he couldn’t care less how history will remember him, as he plans for the U.S.A. not to be around that long. He’s already thinking of his next career move - Secretary General of the U.N.
True - but not government spending - more dollars would need to be used to pay higher interest rates on debt rolled over. As you note - it could be a step in starving the beast, but it has the unknown of possibly being a very painful one. Better to cut discretionary spending on our terms than by the markets terms in my opinion.
and the voters would blame Obama by a wide margin.
I hope and believe you are right on that, but voters betting on hope and change gave us the current residentof the White House. My point is that while I think Boehner is working to do the right thing, BO only cares about being in control for another four years. He also has a very willing accomplice in the mass media, not to mention the 45%+ of people who net get from the government under the programs that have been expanding for decades not to mention blid faith and votes from various demographics that haven't figured out they have been, are and will continue to be used by the dems.
The reailty is that we need conservative wins in 2012 - that's all that matters. Taking the Senate would be great, taking the WH would be great, but if we can keep and expand conservatives in the House - we own the purse strings. We just need conservatives to get better at playing the PR game while maintaining the commitment to keeping our nation as the example for what freedom can achieve.
That is why the SOB was whining and stammering today. He KNOWS the voters will blame him!
I'd bet a dollar to a donut that he doesn't think that. He was shining and stammering because he didn't get his way period. The whining and stammering you noticed (in my opinion) is the disbelief that the Speaker would dare walk away. I would bet he honestly believes the "people" are behind him. I would bet he doesn't believe his internal polls, he "knows" he's "right" regardless because he has never been told he was wrong before. This pattern has been consistent all the way back to the "beer summit" and likely before.
Boehner is negotiating with an egomaniac - tough work...
Thank you. I don’t understand why even Freepers have a hard time with this:
We do not want to raise the debt limit period! As a compromise we might accept “cut,cap and balance”.
Spineless idiots at the helm for our side,socialist moron on theirs. Lord help us!
Just another Orchestrated Crisis for the Community-Organizer-in-Chief:
From what I can tell in my research, training in 'community organizing' is the only real training he's ever had. Nice resume for President, huh?
If every voter in America in not totally aware of the Cloward-Piven strategy by November 6, 2012, then we have failed. If they thoroughly understand it and still vote for Obama, then they are domestic enemies.
I agree with your assessment. I think Boehner has played a difficult hand extremely well. He has to stop the hemorrhaging. There are probably ways to do that such that, whatever cosmetic “concessions” are required, can be rolled back by a new Administration and Senate before any real damage is done.
I thought the Speaker’s presser tonight was brilliant, essentially cutting Obama out of the equation and challenging Reid and McConnell to get on with it. In the meantime, Boehner is clearly in serious negotiations with Cantor and Ryan - and the fact that he has given them both so much free rein should hearten real conservatives everywhere.
This weekend ought to be a doozey!
Winners don’t compromise.
Winners don’t negotiate.
The Republicans won the House in 2010 due a massive shift in the mood of the electorate.
All revenue/spending bills originate in the House. Not in the Oval Office, not in the Senate—The House!
Boner and company need to advance three simple points and then stand firm: 1) No debt ceiling increase; 2) No new taxes; and, 3) Significant spending cuts NOW.
The Democrats are going to say bad things about Boner and the Republicans no matter what. The President is going to say bad things about Boner and the Republicans no matter what. The press is going to say bad things about Boner and the Republicans no matter what. They’ve got nothing to lose.
I haven’t seen the “revenue increases,” and neither have any of the other geniuses who claim to know what they are. If it’s removal of ethanol subsidies, go for it. If it’s cutting taxes so that more people actually pay taxes, well, that’s a “tax increase” on some and a tax decrease on everyone else. In 1921, Warren Harding engaged in a number of “revenue increases” by selling off gubment assets that the gubment had no business being in in the first place, like shipping and railroads. There are indeed ways to raise revenues without raising taxes.
Obama walked away because Boehner put in a poison pill that would require the obliteration of the personal mandate on Obamacare if the cuts weren’t made.
I guess President Ronald Reagan wasn't a winner... Perhaps we should heed his words of wisdom a bit:
"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.
"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.
Take all we can get right now, and then keep fighting for more. The Left has won for 40 years because of incremental gains piling up. To repeal them all will take more than just a single Congressional session, especially when the GOP controls just one of the 3 parties needed to pass bills.
Well put! The greatest tax revenue increase in history was the Bush Tax Cuts, which increased Federal revenues by $700 billion over 4 years. Economic growth - because of lower tax rates - resulted in overall more revenue for the Federal Government. More taxes, but at a lower rate.
Not every revenue increase is a tax rate increase...
The main thing I can’t stand about Boehner is that, like all these nose-pickers in Washington, he believes he stands at some cosmic nexus of power, intrigue and intelligence.
When actually they are a bunch of drifters/minor league showboats who couldn’t cut it for a year in the private sector.
If Boehner would just come out and talk: “I’m fighting him on his crazy tax increases, the silly street organizer really has no concept of where and how money is made and bills are paid, I might give up some tax deductions if I can bust their butts on cutting spending...”-—well, hell, then maybe we would follow him a little ways.
As it is he’s hard to take. Still—still—he hasn’t folded yet. Yet.
But I thought all of you felt the republicans would cave long before this. Uh what happened? Are you dissapointed they didn’t?
“The White House moved the goal posts,” he said
No crap Charlie Brown. Stop whining. You sound like a whiney liberal.
“EVERYTHING about socialism is sham and affectation.” 23.11 Ch23 Evil; Economic Harmonies; Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850
FUJB & FUBO
400 billion of the 800 billion was actually an accounting “gimick” — an assumed increase in tax revenue because the economy should improve if we cut the deficit. We know that when people get back to work, there will be more income taxes, and more corporate taxes.
The other 400 billion was supposed to be some sort of “tax efficiency” change, which I presume was eliminating special tax breaks, and I’m sure whoever lost them would be screaming about the tax increases.
Who wants to bet that a solution will “miraculously happen” right before their august break??? Amazing how we have seen this over and over, and people still fall for it.
Won’t be the first time we’ve had an engineered cliffhanger for show and tell.
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