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Who Added "Christian" and "Conservative" to Norway Shooter's Facebook Page Yesterday?
Atlas Shrugs ^ | July 23, 2011 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 07/23/2011 12:11:38 PM PDT by opentalk

While the leftist and Islamic supremacist ghouls rush to portray Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik as a Christian and even as an anti-jihadist, the unanswered questions multiply. Why did a jihad group take credit for the atrocities, and then retract? And who altered the murderer's Facebook page? Yesterday, at the time that his name was released, his Facebook page looked like this (hat tip Vivien for the screenshot):

But shortly thereafter, this screenshot started circulating, of an altered Facebook page on which Breivik identified himself as a Christian and a conservative: (screenshot hat tip Vivien)

Did he have two different Facebook pages, one in Norwegian and one in English, and he only identified himself as a Christian and a conservative on the English one? Or did he pause from his murder spree to add "Christian" and "conservative" to his Facebook profile? Or maybe the whole page is a fake, as has been reported here.

But in the case, who faked it, and why? Who is so anxious to portray Breivik as a Christian and conservative? And if this was faked, can we trust any of the material that is now being released about Breivik being anti-jihad?


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breivik; dhs; facebook; fake; fraud; july2011; lies; msmfraud; msmpropaganda; norway; oslo; osloterrorattack
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1 posted on 07/23/2011 12:11:41 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

A lot of the things on the “shooter’s” facebook page don’t see right. Why start posting links to music videos a few days before the act when you have no friends linked to your profile in the system?


2 posted on 07/23/2011 12:14:12 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: opentalk

I may be going out on a limb here, but I am thinking a man who shoots 90 children dead is neither a Christian nor a Conservative.


3 posted on 07/23/2011 12:14:35 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Roger that.


4 posted on 07/23/2011 12:16:21 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (A Movement that does not move cannot call itself a Movement.)
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To: opentalk

They learned well from Nero. He burned Rome and blamed the Christians. It worked.


5 posted on 07/23/2011 12:17:54 PM PDT by RC2
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To: opentalk
I'm thinking both pages are fakes.
A lot of stuff just flat out ain't adding up here. But, it is mighty convenient, ain't it?
6 posted on 07/23/2011 12:17:59 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Tick tick tick....)
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To: opentalk

I am certain the English one is fake. I outlined all the reasons yesterday on a couple of threads but they include:
1. Everything was in English, his comments (the couple he made) had no indication they were translated, very casual English.
2. All the ‘likes’ were of US TV shows and movies in English, nothing Norwegian.
3. The page was made supposedly on the 17th and all the posts on the wall were done within a couple hour period, many within seconds of each other like someone was filling it up.
3. In Norway, there is a different name for the Conservative party (Høyre).
4. He had no friends at all, no one else commented on anything.
5. Facebook deleted it with all the other fake profiles.
6. There was no Google cache of the page and Google indexes Facebook often indicating it was a lot newer than it appeared.

Fake profiles go up every time something like this happens. It isn’t hard to create these and I think you can even spoof the time by just changing your system clock. More likely though (as someone pointed out) you can just take another profile and modify it (change name, picture, remove all other personal ID, etc).

The Facebook profile is very, very, very suspect.


7 posted on 07/23/2011 12:18:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: opentalk

The leftist apologists for Muslim terrorism are eager to deflect attention away from Islamic murderers and are obviously hoping to concoct a ‘Christian Conservative’ terrorist profile for Anders Behring Breivik. The reality is that, no matter who Breivik was or what he believed, while Islam condones murder and hate, Christianity (as taught by Jesus Christ) does the opposite with love as it’s core virtue.


8 posted on 07/23/2011 12:19:00 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: opentalk

Probably Napolitano, tripping over herself as soon as the news broke to justify her “Right wing extremists are the biggest threat to this country” comment.


9 posted on 07/23/2011 12:19:40 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

How true, but then again let’s remember who does project that christians and conservatives are capable of this type of unspeakable horror. Liberals do not think...


10 posted on 07/23/2011 12:20:18 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Of course he isn’t either, its an obvious frame up.


11 posted on 07/23/2011 12:20:59 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: opentalk

Wow. I dont believe a thing right now. Interesting the chap is still alive.


12 posted on 07/23/2011 12:23:30 PM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: opentalk

Who knows. It could be anyone. It could even conceivably be an inside job. There are too many ties to this White House at Facebook. Nevertheless, the damage has been done. Someone wants to tie this mass murder to Christian Conservatives. So, they’re neither Christian or Conservative.


13 posted on 07/23/2011 12:23:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: opentalk
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, because this claim will be interrogated and debated ad naseum.

I am a very light Facebook user. Could the variance we see between these two views be a function of Facebook changing around what is presented when you log into it? In addition to the Christian and Conservative entries being present in the first view, also note that TV and Spill are not present in the 2nd listing - so what is to say that Christian and Conservative were simply not present in the first viewe due to the way Facebook handles views and refreshes?

It's a honest question - I don't know enought about how Facebook works to answer it, but for this claim to hold up it will need to be answered, IMO.

14 posted on 07/23/2011 12:23:48 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
You beat me to it. If Nappy didn't actually make the changes she called and advised her Norwegian counterpart to do it.
15 posted on 07/23/2011 12:23:56 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: opentalk
Who Added "Christian" and "Conservative" to Norway Shooter's Facebook Page Yesterday?"

Janet Napolitano.

16 posted on 07/23/2011 12:24:07 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: opentalk

sfl


17 posted on 07/23/2011 12:24:31 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: opentalk
Same people that tried to alter the nuts in Arizona.
18 posted on 07/23/2011 12:24:31 PM PDT by org.whodat (Speaker West, name sounds good.)
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To: opentalk

The money people behind Obama have enough cash and international connections to pull this off, because I doubt one man could have done these terror acts alone. Doing this in the U.S.A. would be problematical, at best.

Remember, Obama is about setting up a Global government, a socialist utopia.

We’ve been expecting a false flag scenario on the part of the Obamunists. This may be it.


19 posted on 07/23/2011 12:25:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: mnehring

Do you normally go on conspiracy theories first?

Your #1 is wrong. A lot of Norwegians typef better English and more natively than most Americans can.

All the rest of your stuff depends on your #1 which is blatantly wrong.


20 posted on 07/23/2011 12:25:29 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: opentalk

Very interesting post.


21 posted on 07/23/2011 12:25:39 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: opentalk

Didn’t the liberal ‘RATS modify or create Loughner’s page also? IIRC, they spelled his name Laughner and claimed he lived in “Tuscon”. (Wherever the hell that is.)


22 posted on 07/23/2011 12:26:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: sbMKE
from the related link in article:

...The media just repeats the informations of the page, which claims that he was a conservative, nationalist, freemason, but this seems very unlikely. The page cannot be considered trustworthy!” added by 80.121.25.45.

This same user from the IP, also posted a similar concern on the German Wikipedia page.

23 posted on 07/23/2011 12:26:17 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: dirtboy

I don’t think so, he likely set up the profile himself entirely.


24 posted on 07/23/2011 12:26:44 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I live in Norway and this was a horrible tragedy for the country. All those young people(14-25) with their lives ahead of them shot like animals.

However, what I objected to is that it is already being used for political capitol by the governing labor party headed by Jens Stoltenberg. The leftist media is using to attack the FRP, or right wing conservative party which is anti immigrant. Breivik, the murderer, was a member of FRP in 2005.

Sort of reminds me of the left using Congress woman Giffords shooting to attack Sarah Palin.

There is an election coming up here soon in Norway, and the left is trying to capitalize on it since they have been sinking in the polls.

Alot of people are concerned by 3rd world immigrants flooding in here. 100 % of the rapes in Oslo were perpetrated by foreign born men. This guy wanted to send a political message to the labor party. Too bad he did it the way he did.


25 posted on 07/23/2011 12:26:45 PM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: opentalk

Wow...another reason why the internet should be shutdown and controlled—too much disclosure of what’s really going on! /s


26 posted on 07/23/2011 12:27:06 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: oilfieldtrash

Exactly. Everything is pointing to a ‘fed up’ type.

Unfortunately when someone on their own does this all it does is feed the opposing side.


27 posted on 07/23/2011 12:28:29 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: opentalk
The second Facebok page you posted (the one that uses English language) has this little tidbit:

"Director at Breivik Geofarm"

Geofarm???

Wonder if this perp had AlGore's "Earth in the Balance" on his bookshelf? (Which is not an entirely facetious question - AlGore's tome was found in the Unabomber's cabin!)

28 posted on 07/23/2011 12:28:35 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Tolsti2
Your #1 is wrong. A lot of Norwegians typef better English and more natively than most Americans can.

His other writing on the web was very broken English, the Facebook comments were very casual English. I'm not thinking conspiracy theories but pranksters putting up these pages like they do every time something like this happens and a media who never does due diligence falling for it. Everything else adds to the suspect, the biggest to me is how quickly posts were added to the wall. Music videos being posted within seconds of each other, a couple dozen within a few hours time with nothing else at all. There was one where he posted the video, made a comment, then posted another video within 10 seconds of the first. It screams someone trying to fill up a profile quickly.

29 posted on 07/23/2011 12:28:47 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: opentalk

Every survivor of the shootings I have seen interviewed looked like the kids of Muslim immigrants who had become Westernized, perhaps too Westernized. Dare we say even apostate.


30 posted on 07/23/2011 12:28:47 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: opentalk
State controlled American media (SCAM) headline:

Hot damn! A Christian man!

31 posted on 07/23/2011 12:29:02 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I may be going out on a limb here, but I am thinking a man who shoots 90 children dead is neither a Christian nor a Conservative.

My gut feeling on the killers motivation of this massacre is that he was bent on killing off as much of the future commie leadership of Norway as possible.

Change of his future he has done.

32 posted on 07/23/2011 12:31:36 PM PDT by Musketeer
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To: mnehring
I can understand secret ... and double secret, but; This account is on super-secret double-secret probation ?

I promise to say nothing.

33 posted on 07/23/2011 12:31:36 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: opentalk

Nothing about this story smells right..


34 posted on 07/23/2011 12:33:28 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: Tolsti2

I am not talking about setup, I am talking about how Facebook refreshes pages.


35 posted on 07/23/2011 12:35:07 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mnehring

It’s possible it was a prank, but if it was loaded before the shooting I really doubt it. Loughner put up a lot of nutty videos as well.

I suppose *maybe* he’s an operative of some group that’s trying to make right wingers look bad, but again that’s an awfully big assumption to leap to.


36 posted on 07/23/2011 12:35:57 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: sbMKE

Plus this “Political views: Conservative” thing seems a little too obvious. Does Norway describe political views the same as the USA?


37 posted on 07/23/2011 12:38:03 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: opentalk

Whoa..I saw his page when conservative was the only philosophy listed. Christian is new.


38 posted on 07/23/2011 12:39:32 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: oilfieldtrash

Very interesting commentary from Norway, thanks. My grandfather was the first child of a Norwegian family born in the US; we West Coast Californian Norwegians are watching for the Viking blood to once again stir??


39 posted on 07/23/2011 12:39:34 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: mnehring

Thanks.


40 posted on 07/23/2011 12:40:18 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: opentalk

ON the second screen shot the “add as friend” to the left of his name is missing ... which means it is what you would see if you were already his friend on facebook. But I thought he had no friends?


41 posted on 07/23/2011 12:41:09 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: opentalk
William James was a logical positivist and an early 20th century progressive, the predecessors of today's liberals. His educational theories (whole language) form the basis of today's progressive educational theory.
42 posted on 07/23/2011 12:41:22 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Tolsti2
but if it was loaded before the shooting I really doubt it.

I could take my page today, delete most of the posts and friends, change out some information and update my name and photos with his info and make it look like he had the page for over 5 years. All the posts I made everywhere will show the new name and if it is done right (something a 10 year old could do) no one would ever know it was a different profile before.

Try it yourself if you have a Facebook profile. Keep it simple, just change the spelling of your last name, save it, clear your cache and history then go look at all the posts you made. It will have the new spelling. Same idea to completely change a profile name. Elementary prankster stuff.

43 posted on 07/23/2011 12:43:09 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Berlin_Freeper
It's not his facebook page. He didn't do it. This goes on all the time.

Notice more importantly that the Norwegian police have not yet identified the owner of the car that blew up.

Remember how the ambulance drivers in UK don't go off break just to go pick up the sick and injured, what we have here is a GOVERNMENT WEEKEND SHUTDOWN. The cops can't access the motor vehicle data base because the computers are shut down, or there's no one around who can use that system.

It's MidSummer and this happens every year in Scandinavia ~ they just shut down for the Midnight Sun thing (which is actually only the 20 Hour Sun thing at this latitude, but the twilight is pretty heafty so it's difficult to sleep).

Doesn't matter how serious the disaster is NOTHING is going to happen that would violate the vacation rights of the government employees.

When I was in the service in Germany years ago the Scandinavians would start showing up in early June and we didn't see the last of them until Mid-August. They'd crowd up the beer joints, mob the restaurants, make it impossible to get in to see historic places ~ you name it ~ and they'd even wander in from offpost and try to get hamburgers at our snackbar.

Think of the old people wandering from buffet to buffet trying to get food in that South Park story. Just like that ~ only Swedes and Norwegians, not just old people.

44 posted on 07/23/2011 12:43:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: opentalk

Very creepy.


45 posted on 07/23/2011 12:43:46 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: opentalk

The URL bar is missing from the screenshots, each FB page has a unique ID number. Without that there is no way to tell if the faux “original” was altered or was copied as a new account with changes. ONly the emails used to register the account would provide clues to it’s authenticity.

Either way it has served it purpose, even duping a gullible horde right here into handwringing, fingernail biting timidity.


46 posted on 07/23/2011 12:46:17 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: opentalk

*bttt*


47 posted on 07/23/2011 12:46:29 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: mnehring
3. In Norway, there is a different name for the Conservative party (Høyre).

You're confusing political views with political party.  Like here in the US, you can be Conservative and not even be Republican and vice versa.

48 posted on 07/23/2011 12:47:59 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: opentalk

Here’s an entire screen cap of the FB account:

http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anders-Behring-Breivik-FACEBOOK.pdf


49 posted on 07/23/2011 12:50:58 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: opentalk

The same thing was done to the webpage of the nut who shot Gabrielle Giffords. IIRC, a Facebook webpage was created making Jared Loughner out to be a Tea Party member. There are some unprincipled leftists who are playing fast and loose with the internet. Just remember that your opponents have no principles.


50 posted on 07/23/2011 1:04:07 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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