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Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian'
World Net Daily ^ | 7-24-11

Posted on 07/24/2011 5:20:59 PM PDT by ReformationFan

Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian' Norwegian's manifesto shows Breivik not religious, having no personal faith

WASHINGTON – A review of Anders Behring Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto shows the media's quick characterization of the Norwegian terrorist as a "Christian" may be as incorrect as it was to call Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh one.

Breivik was arrested over the weekend, charged with a pair of brutal attacks in and near Oslo, Norway, including a bombing in the capital city that killed 7 and a shooting spree at a youth political retreat on the island of Utoya that killed more than 80 victims.

Piecing together Breivik's various posts on the Internet, many media reports have characterized the terrorist – who says he was upset over the multiculturalist policies stemming from Norway's Labour Party – as a "right-wing, Christian fundamentalist."

Yet, while McVeigh rejected God altogether, Breivik writes in his manifesto that he is not religious, has doubts about God's existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe's "Christian culture" as well as his own pagan Nordic culture.

Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin, whose evolutionary theories stand in contrast to the claims of the Bible, and affirms: "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."

The terrorist also candidly admits he finds no support within either the Catholic or Protestant churches for his violent ideas.

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1 posted on 07/24/2011 5:21:03 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Doesn’t matter. Media spin is for media consumers. Facts don’t matter.


2 posted on 07/24/2011 5:22:53 PM PDT by Huck
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To: ReformationFan

I’ll bet that doens’t get much publicity.


3 posted on 07/24/2011 5:24:01 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: ReformationFan

He’s a nutcase. That’s all anyone needs to know.

Hanging labels on him (or any other killer) is ridiculous.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 5:24:54 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ReformationFan

What we have here my friends, is the 21st century’s version of “Reichskristallnacht.”

This is a classic maneuver of the left. So it was with Germany’s National “SOCIALISTS”, and so it is with the modern day Soros Socialists/Marxists. George was alive at the time, and probably thought it was a really grand idea. Well, just how splendid!


5 posted on 07/24/2011 5:26:09 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (PS. The muzlim nations think my handle is a prime example of "hate speach." Oh Well.)
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To: ReformationFan

hopefully hannity will set this straight tomorrow.


6 posted on 07/24/2011 5:26:32 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: ReformationFan

Hhmmm....”christian” with a small “c” - puts his faith in science, not God...has no relationship to God or Christ. Not much different than most in America.


7 posted on 07/24/2011 5:28:27 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ReformationFan

“I am first and foremost a man of logic.”

I’m gonna go with DISAGREE on that one, Alex, for $2000.


8 posted on 07/24/2011 5:28:59 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ReformationFan
...assert the primacy of Europe's "Christian culture" as well as his own pagan Nordic culture.

Hmmm. Reminds me of someone...


9 posted on 07/24/2011 5:30:48 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: ReformationFan
Given the taxpayer funded religion of Norway its hard to say what comes out of there. Taxpayers support them and government appoints many church officials.

Church of Norway (pdf file)

Seems like a really bad idea to me. Can you imagine what liberals would do to our churches if they were under government control?
10 posted on 07/24/2011 5:31:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ReformationFan

And I’m sure the NYSlimes will be the first to print a retraction.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 5:31:55 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: ken21
hopefully hannity will set this straight tomorrow.

Or perhaps someone credible.

By the way, you write like a child.

Capitalization is your pal. It makes you look like a grown up.

12 posted on 07/24/2011 5:32:02 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ReformationFan

So he was pro-Gay pro-Israel pro-Darwin
he was Joe Lieberman.


13 posted on 07/24/2011 5:32:22 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: ReformationFan

The media have their meme and the truth won’t matter. We will still have this “Christian terrorist” thrown at us in a decade or two.


14 posted on 07/24/2011 5:33:50 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: ReformationFan

I have read quite a bit about this guy since the terroristic action, I find nothing to support the decription, “Christian fundalmentalist.” What am I missing?


15 posted on 07/24/2011 5:33:53 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ReformationFan

Thanks for sharing, although this is probably the first and last we’ll ever hear of it.


16 posted on 07/24/2011 5:34:19 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: ReformationFan
The terrorist also candidly admits he finds no support within either the Catholic or Protestant churches for his violent ideas.

Wow! That's a shocker! /sarc

17 posted on 07/24/2011 5:34:40 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: ReformationFan
The terrorist also candidly admits he finds no support within either the Catholic or Protestant churches for his violent ideas.

Something I'm sure the drive-by's find incomprehensible.

18 posted on 07/24/2011 5:35:32 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: ReformationFan

I appreciate your posting this summary of this murderer’s non-allegiance to God, to Christ, or to Christianity as anything other than a theoretical cultural/ethnic bloc.


19 posted on 07/24/2011 5:36:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory. there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra)
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To: fatnotlazy

>>Hanging labels on him (or any other killer) is ridiculous.<<

When the MSM was reporting him as a “Christian Fundamentalist” (instead of the proper “complete whacko who settled on Christianity to use as a vehicle for his insanity”) I said “Here we go...”

This is now “here we go” 2.0

We should deal with these “people” like the denizens of H. Beam Piper’s “Fuzzy” series did with theirs.


20 posted on 07/24/2011 5:36:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: elpadre
I have read quite a bit about this guy since the terroristic action, I find nothing to support the decription, “Christian fundalmentalist.” What am I missing?

You and I are not inside the liberal echo chamber.

21 posted on 07/24/2011 5:37:23 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: ReformationFan

Something just doesn’t compute. For instance, this young man is described as a farmer, but he looks like a movie star. He plans and executes complex and horrific acts of violence, then, allegedly at the request of a ten-year-old, he abruptly halts the massacre.


22 posted on 07/24/2011 5:37:44 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: ReformationFan

A Viking pagan killer of socialist children? How quaint./s

If this is just the beginning of resisting Islamification in Norway, the left have no chance, no matter how it is spun.


23 posted on 07/24/2011 5:40:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: ReformationFan

The mediots, including the Nuts Daily want to simplify everything for their simpleton audience to a single word. Ain’t buying it. The dude wrote a 1500 page manifesto. Read it!


24 posted on 07/24/2011 5:41:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: humblegunner

“By the way, you write like a child.

Capitalization is your pal. It makes you look like a grown up.”

Amen to that. And the first letter of a paragraph is a capital letter too, not just the first letter of the SECOND sentence..


25 posted on 07/24/2011 5:42:02 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: ReformationFan
What we know in any event:

The Media lies!

26 posted on 07/24/2011 5:43:18 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: ReformationFan

From Breivik’s manifesto, about 90% of the way through, after many Biblical quotes about righteous self-defense and God’s help in battle:

“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think; “Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”
Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet... But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing, with 100 armed system protectors pursuing me with the intention to stop and/or kill. ...

“It is likely that I will pray to God for strength at one
point during that operation, as I think most people in that situation would. I can’t possibly imagine how my state of mind will be during the time of the operation,
though. It will be during a steroid cycle and on top of that; during an ephedrine rush, which will increase my aggressiveness, physical performance and mental focus with at least 50-60% but possibly up to 100%. In addition, I will put my iPod on max volume as a tool to suppress fear if needed. I might just put Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell on repeat as it is an incredibly powerful song. of the mission. ...

“If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out... If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past.
I am pursuing religion for this very reason and everyone else should as well, providing it will give you a mental boost. There is no shame in praying minutes before your death. I highly recommend that you, prior to the operation, visit a Church and perform the Eucharist (Holy Communion/The Lord’s Supper ). As we know, this ritual represents the
final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion. You should also solve any issues you might have with God and ask for
forgiveness for past sins. Finally, ask him to prepare for the arrival of a martyr for the Church. A hardened atheist may think this is silly, but believe me when I say; you will be extremely glad you did as soon as you realise you may actually die after the initiation of your operation....

“A great majority of people tend to seek out a divine power when they are facing an extreme threat. It is therefore essential and it is strongly recommended that all Justiciar Knights (even our Christian agnostic and Christian atheist brothers and sisters) attend Church before the operation to seek absolution and to request that God infuses our soul and our armour of steel with the armour of spiritual protection and confidence.”

To Breivik, Christianity is tied to Western culture and Western blood. The West is weaker without it. A spiritually prepared mind is an asset to the warrior as are steroids, ephedrine and music, body armor and weapons.

I do not think anyone can fairly say that Breivik is motivated by his version of Christianity. He uses it as a tool.


27 posted on 07/24/2011 5:43:43 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: elpadre

You’re not missing anything. He specifically states in his 12 min video that the European Knights Templar are not religious Christians (Christian Fundamentalists) but rather cultural Christians (Christian Identity). And those are the specific terms he uses.

What he’s doing has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity and he openly acknowledges the same. You’ll never hear this reported.


28 posted on 07/24/2011 5:45:23 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: ReformationFan

I find it interesting that Breivik apparently thinks that Protestants should all convert to Catholicism.


29 posted on 07/24/2011 5:46:46 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: humblegunner

By the way, you write like a child.

Capitalization is your pal. It makes you look like a grown up.


Jeez, lighten up.


30 posted on 07/24/2011 5:47:28 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: July4
Something just doesn’t compute. For instance, this young man is described as a farmer, but he looks like a movie star. He plans and executes complex and horrific acts of violence, then, allegedly at the request of a ten-year-old, he abruptly halts the massacre.

IIRC, he's not a farmer, but owns some sort of agriculturally-based company.

31 posted on 07/24/2011 5:48:24 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: humblegunner
Capitalization is your pal. It makes you look like a grown up.

So does not acting like an overly nitpicking jobsworth.

32 posted on 07/24/2011 5:50:36 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I appreciate your posting this summary of this murderer’s non-allegiance to God, to Christ, or to Christianity as anything other than a theoretical cultural/ethnic bloc.”

I’m very happy to do so, Mrs. Don-o.


34 posted on 07/24/2011 5:52:42 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: fatnotlazy

Labels have been pinned on him and they need to be corrected as vociferously as possible!


35 posted on 07/24/2011 5:52:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: heartwood
Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell
36 posted on 07/24/2011 5:53:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
Good point.

So the government sponsored a nationwide attack on people is does not like.

Incisive analysis based on history.

/sarc-off

37 posted on 07/24/2011 5:55:42 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: ReformationFan
Dude sounds like an uber survival of the fittest Darwinist atheist. Only "Christianity" from him is a cultural Eurocentric type and not the New Testament unity of mankind in Christ type as taught in Galatians 3:28 :

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus"

That, not PC nor Paganism nor atheism nor Marxism, is the source of the hope of true unity in diversity in this world.

38 posted on 07/24/2011 5:57:48 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: FortWorthPatriot

YO!

Hey youz gyz, settle the “f” down! It’s late Sunday night and youz gyz are in a p***ing contest over some gyz bad inglish!

WTF? You act like we wuz all from Philly or sumthin!!

Hava beer n chill!

I’m gonna get flamed bigtime for this! rotflmao.


40 posted on 07/24/2011 5:58:22 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (PS. The muzlim nations think my handle is a prime example of "hate speach." Oh Well.)
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To: ken21
“hopefully hannity will set this straight tomorrow.”

Cute.

I like your sense of humor.

41 posted on 07/24/2011 6:00:46 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: ReformationFan

“However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.”

Does`nt matter if he isn`t “formally” a Christian. Thats all the left needs to paint him as one.


42 posted on 07/24/2011 6:02:53 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: freedomlover; humblegunner; ken21

Sorry, I agree with HG.

You are known by what and how you write your replies on FR.

There is nothing else we can use. If you don’t use proper grammar, spelling, and capitalization, then one has little left except to conclude you are an idiot, or are six years old.

If the reason for lack of proper capitalization is because of laziness, then your time would be better spent elsewhere. I have some posters who are not that proficient in English, due to it being a second language to them, and yet they at least make the effort to TRY and do things correctly.

Or would you rather have people regard FR as a place where only IDIOTS and CHILDREN post?


43 posted on 07/24/2011 6:05:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

IIRC, he’s not a farmer, but owns some sort of agriculturally-based company.


He rented a farm in April 2011 to provide a ruse to buy fertilizer.

Prior to renting the farm he created a phony business name.


44 posted on 07/24/2011 6:08:10 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Clintonfatigued
I’ll bet that doens’t get much publicity.

Justly so, mainly because it appears to be a Whirled Nut beat-up.

Googleing this guy + Darwin gets: the WorldNet article, people quoting it, and news reports bylined Darwin, Australia.

45 posted on 07/24/2011 6:08:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: starlifter

Why the sarcasm?

Its a well known fact that Grynszpan was not altogether a mental giant. He shot the German ambassador to France, who subsequently died. There are a lot of theories that he was “helped” by co-conspirators “unknown”. Like this yeahoo in Norway, he was really proud of what he had done. Like this yeahoo in Norway, his rational for his deed was like a cow pie, scattered all over the place.

We will never know all the facts. But one thing is for sure, when a totalitarian bunch in charge of a government decide to create chaos in order to provide the “answer” to that chaos, things will get really testy.

No sarcasm here, my fear is that this is an engineered “crisis” that is going to usher in draconian remedies.


46 posted on 07/24/2011 6:08:49 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (PS. The muzlim nations think my handle is a prime example of "hate speach." Oh Well.)
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To: ReformationFan

It all appears to be a politically motivated attack. Good bet that Europe is on the verge of a civil war and it wont be pretty.


47 posted on 07/24/2011 6:09:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: humblegunner; ken21
ken21 might be a young kid who texts a lot. You see this all the time, with the way these young kids write text messages to each other. Short and to the point, no concern for proper punctuation, but they get their message across. Bet he can't even do simple math problems without a calculator? /s

No offense, but times have changed. I still remember the days of going to the library to do a term paper, using the books in there.

But I'm glad ken21 is here on FR. There is hope for the next generation.

48 posted on 07/24/2011 6:11:37 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: FortWorthPatriot; humblegunner
Not everyone can write as eloquently as you think you can.

It is not eloquence that is at question. It is GRADE SCHOOL educational concepts.

Unfortunately, most of our younger generations neither know how to write eloquently, nor how to use proper grammar, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation. If you write like that, then you leave others little choice than to conclude you are uneducated in the basics. That means your CREDIBILITY is zero.

The real question here is whether the original source of this argument did not capitalize properly because he/she is ignorant, or just LAZY, or TEXTING from their (name your own portable device here) while driving through traffic.

49 posted on 07/24/2011 6:16:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

(blush)

My earlier post notwithstanding, (it was an effort to diffuse the harshness) when push comes to shove, I really do have to side with you on this.

Nothing detracts from your message more than simpleton English and stupid mistakes.

Makes me wonder if you are not a troll intent on making our side look like semi literate imbeciles.

Old carpenter’s saying: Measure twice, cut once.

Modern blogger’s saying: Read TWICE post ONCE.


50 posted on 07/24/2011 6:17:30 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (PS. The muzlim nations think my handle is a prime example of "hate speach." Oh Well.)
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