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To: kabumpo; SJackson
Whatever “goyim” “goy” and shiksa might have meant a long time ago, how tbe words are used now is/are a pejorative. As in “stupid shiksa”, “goyishe kopf” dumb goy etc.
Heard it my whole life.

You say part of your family is Jewish? What does this mean? My experience as a full Jew ---- I have heard those words used pejoratively maybe 10 times in my life. "Goy" ---  I have rarely heard a Jew use that one at all. It's kind of dated. Shiksa I have heard more often as a neutral or complimentary statement. Such as he "He's going out with a lovely blond Shiksa". This said in a joking ironic way. "Goyim" I have heard as a simple statement of them being non-Jewish. Not said derisively

The usage you are angry about is dated back to when Al Capone was still alive

63 posted on 07/25/2011 5:50:32 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: dennisw
The usage you are angry about is dated back to when Al Capone was still alive

Unless, of course, a Jew reads the Tanakh, a Christian the "Old Testament", in which case they're seeing the term constantly, referring both to non-Jews and Jews.

65 posted on 07/25/2011 6:03:34 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: dennisw

Hey, I thought you were an alien like me all these years. Heh. There won’t be any ex over my grave, either (or any mark). And I’m not an Atheist or Muslim. ...too far out in the middle of nowhere to convert, so I’ll be available on Saturdays for now.

IMO, jealousy against Jewish people is similar to jealousy against rich people: wrong and unnecessary. On to the world to come, I hope.


74 posted on 07/25/2011 6:36:32 PM PDT by familyop (There are Thirteen Principles and One Unity.)
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To: dennisw
"You say part of your family is Jewish? What does this mean? My experience as a full Jew ---- I have heard those words used pejoratively maybe 10 times in my life. "Goy" --- I have rarely heard a Jew use that one at all. It's kind of dated. "
To be fair, I come from the ex-USSR Ukrainian Jewish family, where the above words were used pejoratively a bit more often than that, and rarely in a light-hearted manner. Maybe its just the old country culture - of course, the setting was different, than in the US. We were less accepted and more set apart and less trusting and more bitter towards outsiders as the result. Ethnic slurs were commonly traded from the Russians and Ukrainians, who do not believe in the melting pot thing at all, nevermind the decades of Soviet "internationalist" social experiment (sometimes I think its a uniquely American idea :)) So maybe in the US those old eastern Europe prejudices were moderated by decades of relative acceptance and prosperity.
94 posted on 07/25/2011 8:19:57 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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