Anders Breivik is not Christian but anti-Islam

The Guardian ^ | 24 July 2011 | Andrew Brown

[americanophile]

The Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, who shot dead more than 90 young socialists at their summer camp on Friday after mounting a huge bomb attack on the centre of Oslo, has been described as a fundamentalist Christian. Yet he published enough of his thoughts on the internet to make it clear that even in his saner moments his ideology had nothing to do with Christianity but was based on an atavistic horror of Muslims and a loathing of "Marxists", by which he meant anyone to the left of Genghis Khan.

Two huge conspiracy theories form the gearboxes of his writing. The first is that Islam threatens the survival of Europe through what he calls "demographic Jihad". Through a combination of uncontrolled immigration and uncontrolled breeding, the Muslims, who cannot live at peace with their neighbours, are conquering Europe.

But these ideas, however crazy, are part of a widespread paranoid ideology that links the European and American far right and even elements of mainstream conservatism in Britain.

In an argument on the rightwing Norwegian site Dokument.no, Breivik wrote: "Show me a country where Muslims have lived at peace with non-Muslims without waging Jihad against the Kaffir (dhimmitude, systematic slaughter, or demographic warfare)? Can you please give me ONE single example where Muslims have been successfully assimilated? How many thousands of Europeans must die, how many hundreds of thousands of European women must be raped, millions robbed and bullied before you realise that multiculturalism and Islam cannot work?"

[odds]

>>>”I think the thing that confuses some people is that there are things they believe Breivik was correct in saying.”<<<

Our MSM contributes to that confusion, imo, thru their own interpretations & dissemination of them. Though MSM may also argue that what they disseminate are *core* messages of what Breivik said (or *meant*), without further elaboration on the specifics... until, later..

Thanks for mentioning Eric Becker’s book, what is it called? I’d be interested in reading it.

Re: NPD & Breivik, there was an inkling about that on Sunday. But, I’m still very keen to see what the “official assessment” says. Though, details of it may be kept confidential.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2752932/posts?page=142#142

[livius]

Sorry, it was Ernst Becker, not Eric. He wrote two very interesting works, The Denial of Death and The Escape from Evil. He was from a Jewish background, although I don’t know how much he practiced, and was a professor of anthropology for many years.

The books were written in the 1970s and while they reflect some of the peculiarities of thought of that time, they have some interesting insights and are worth reading. He actually won a Pulitzer for one of them, but his work seems to have completely faded from public view since that time.

[odds]

Will look for them. Thank you.

[Dead Corpse]

There, I said it. Deal with it.

No quibbles here. I agree with you.

This nut cases ideas for fixing thing are from another planet though. Eugenics? Come on...

[kaylar]

Schama also mentions that in his book on the French Revolution Citizens. Towards the end of that massive book , he mentions that the once emptied asylums now (post Napoleonic era) had people in it that were no longer capable of living in "non revolutionary" society. "Revolutionary insanity" it was called, and a description was included of a woman who as late as 1823 was still given to chanting revolutionary slogans and giving pro revolution speeches to bored or uncomprehending fellow inmates .

[livius]

That must have been quite a treat for her fellow inmates. (Was she shouting “Hope and Change,” “Hope and Change”?)

I’ve never read Schama’s book - sounds interesting.

[drpix]

"It was to prove that his devotees had the same fanatical level of devotion as Islamic devotees, and therefore the Muslims would trust him."

That would also be true, but the castration/kid-execution thing was to prove not merely that the "Knight" was the fanatical equal of the Jihadis but principally that he was "not a EU/US agent."

He could have proved his fanaticalism by executing Muslim children instead, but that would not have convinced Jihadis that he wasn't an agent of what they still see as the "anti-Muslim" EU/US.

From 2nd paragraph of excerpt: "Now what kind of sacrifice would be great enough to remove all doubt that the candidate is not a EU/US agent?"

[odds]

You know what? Political left in Europe has been aligned with Islamic grps & Islamists for a very long time. Some of it has been because of public ignorance, some deliberate. It goes back decades, not years.

Breivik or no Breivik (lunatic, knight or not), that is (has been) a reality.

Same applies to a few grps & individuals, who *consider* themselves right of the political spectrum, yet support Islamic groups, individuals, and Islam in general for whatever reasons or beliefs.

In Breivik’s case, though a wrong approach by him, I think he was seeking to align, temporarily & as needed, with Islamic groups, against the left (”Marxists”) in Europe to equalize, or perhaps to try to dismantle the very traditional alliance between the left & Islamic grps.

I’m betting that some Islamic groups are watching these recent events very closely, quietly & taking notes to learn from for themselves.

Lastly, ‘the left’ have a lotta blood on their hands, not only in Europe & elsewhere, but particularly in the ME. Over the decades, I’d say many more gallons of blood than we saw on July 22. Though, 3 or more wrongs won’t necessarily make the wrong right. But, there you have the reality.

If we need to stop this trend of bloodshed, Europe may want to initiate it. But, if it continues, the future, I suspect, won’t be a pleasant one for anyone.

If the Moslems want to establish a caliphate in the ME, let them. But, don’t feed it & don’t feed their stuff in Europe or the West.

[drpix]

Yes, both the political left and the croney capitalists of Europe have been on this track for a long time. Bat Ye'or traced it as an official policy to before the reign of the EU, back to the days of the EC - specifically back to the time of Arab led Oil Embargo of 1973. She exposed it to the public in her book "Eurabia." Beivik used her work as a source for this subject in his manifesto.

Here's a Youtube page with a series videos by her on the subject. Well worth listening to.

Bat Ye'or: Eurabia - The EuroArab Axis (videos 1-10)

[livius]

Yes, that’s true. He really hated the US/EU governments. They may be soft and ineffective, but they’re certainly not up there at the point of deserving hatred (such as Islamic and Marxist tyrannies would be).

That’s one of the reasons I think that he may have been getting some Islamic coaching, even if he didn’t know it. He hates the US the way a leftist European or spoiled American (either leftist or Muslim) hates it, but he was not an American and had never lived here or even visited, to my knowledge. I think he was probably coached by somebody like Adam Gadahn or somebody else with Islamist/leftist/counterculture ties (fellow America hater Bill Ayres could have written every word that Breivik wrote about his hatred for the US).

[odds]

Thank you, will watch it.