Posted on 07/26/2011 6:31:23 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior
A gunman who opened fire on an island teeming with young people kept shooting for 1.5 hours before surrendering to a SWAT team, which arrived 40 minutes after they were called, police said Saturday
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Survivors of the shooting spree have described hiding and fleeing into the water to escape the gunman.
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On the island of Utoya, panicked teens attending a Labour Party youth wing summer camp plunged into the water or played dead to avoid the assailant in the assault. A picture sent out on Twitter showed a blurry figure in dark clothing pointing a gun into the water, with bodies all around him.
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Several victims “had pretended they were dead to survive,” Berzingi said. But after shooting the victims with one gun, the gunman shot them again in the head with a shotgun, he said.
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Elise said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. “I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock,” she said.
Another story in line with this
Their training?
The source of the problem, besides the usual ennui and depression found in the higher latitudes is OIL.
Norway has turned itself into a Nordic version of Kuwait ~ a country that cannot defend itself from anybody ~ nor are half of them even in country half the time. Many of the other oil states are like that. Think of Venezuela ~ a handful of crazy people took over the country and handed it over to Fidel Castro.
This one guy might well have had a better opportunity of seizing the country through armed insurrection than we'll ever know, but if you can walk around for an hour and a half shooting Commies in the water, I think that suggests a total dissolution of the social order.
Whatever training. That's all about morale. That guy was literally slaughtering chicken for 1.5 hours!
They’ve been conditioned not to resist since birth.
Individual heroics would just make you an easier target. They needed a bunch of them to execute a do-or-die charge so that a few of them would reach him. Hard to set up and coordinate while under fire. How many of us could set up a group charge against an armed target, know that most of you will be shot down before you reach him?
I wasn't there, obviously, but I wondered that a bit myself.
What an emasculated society we've become.
My point isn't actually about this, but about the will and morale of those victims. Too good life make people sissies. I doubt Venezuelians would behave in such way.
Of course, a great case for gun rights.
Setting up anything in this case is irrelevant. And yes, that's a question of upbringing what's natural to you - hiding or attack. You just run ahead and shout to encourage others. One hero can ignite a charge.
These were kids who were brought up in a society that will only give the shooter 21 years in prison for his atrocity.
They probably weren't sure they had the right to stop him!
Because they are not Americans.
Not a knock on them, but that's not how Europeans think.
I believe if that occured on American soil:
a) Chances are that SOMEONE would have had a gun besides the shooter, and
b) If not, they would grab sticks and rocks and yell: "Let's Roll!"
Again they’ve been conditioned since birth, just like the folks on the planes that hit the Towers and the Pentagon. It was a miracle that Flight 93 had a few heroes aboard.
And apparently waited until the guy ran out of ammo before coming in to arrest him. The Norwegian elites whose children were at the camp learned that the people they rely upon for protection will not risk their own lives, even for children of the political class. It must have been a sobering realization.
They had a chance to learn it before.
And if those children were meant would-be leaders, now one can see what kind of leaders they promise to become.
Don’t bet on it . It would require the ability to think for oneself to realize that the police will not help you if it endangers themselves.
The SWAT Team waited for boats? Don’t the police have access to helicopters?
The training they inherently got from being a member of that society. Everyone gets training, both formal and informal. Societal norms are just one mode.
You forget these were “progressive” socialist types. Herd mentality, waiting for their ‘great leader’ to tell them what to do. Acting as an individual is beyond them, even as their kids get gunned down.
Sounds like the camp was teaching these people to become a bunch of Neville Chamberlains.
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