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Job listings say the unemployed need not apply
The Lookout/YahooNews ^ | 7/26/11 | Liz Goodwin

Posted on 07/26/2011 10:10:16 AM PDT by Kartographer

Hundreds of job opening listings posted on Monster.com and other jobs sites explicitly state that people who are unemployed would be less attractive applicants, with some telling the long-term unemployed to not even bother with applying.

The New York Times' Catherine Rampell said she found preferences for the already employed or only recently laid off in listings for "hotel concierges, restaurant managers, teachers, I.T. specialists, business analysts, sales directors, account executives, orthopedics device salesmen, auditors and air-conditioning technicians." Even the massive University of Phoenix stated that preference, but removed the listings when the Times started asking questions.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: economy; environmental; socialism; teachers
Seems like a bit of a Catch-22
1 posted on 07/26/2011 10:10:19 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Its a bit of damned if you do damned if you dont going on here. This whole country is so screwed


2 posted on 07/26/2011 10:12:56 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Kartographer

The already employeed has always been more attractive than the unemployed. Nothing new here except publicly admitting the fact.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 10:16:14 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

I’m not unemployed, I’ve been doing some independent consulting while setting up a business opportunity.


4 posted on 07/26/2011 10:18:15 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: bgill
The already employeed has always been more attractive than the unemployed. Nothing new here except publicly admitting the fact.

Just as it's always easier for a guy to get dates, when he's already in a relationship.

5 posted on 07/26/2011 10:19:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bgill

I know that some of the unemployed where the slackers but I know others who where targeted for the sin of being 50+


6 posted on 07/26/2011 10:20:12 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: bgill

Exactly. Maybe this is there first steps to mandate “evil” corporations hire more less fortunate. You’ve already been told businesses are sitting on trillions of “evil profits” but aren’t hiring.

G-d help us!


7 posted on 07/26/2011 10:20:19 AM PDT by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: Kartographer

After 11 years in IT, my husband spent the past 3 back in construction, but continued sending out apps and resumes by the bucketload every week.

One day back in February he saw a listing for a temp gig installing servers and applied for it - the phone rang 10 minutes later and he is now finally working back in IT full time, albeit thru the temp agency, but that is because of contract agreements, he will transfer over to the company itself in October.

They actually asked him: WHERE have you been?


8 posted on 07/26/2011 10:22:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Kartographer

Them that has - gets...


9 posted on 07/26/2011 10:27:55 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: Kartographer

In flight instruction, the choice is always total experience over recent employment. Money then separates the desperate from the skilled.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 10:28:08 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Kartographer

I know someone who is long-term unemployed. He can’t keep a job because he is “feral”. He’s been out of work so long, he doesn’t know how to act. Argues religion with people, can’t work on his Sabbath, can’t work a register because he “doesn’t know how”, complains about the lack of benefits. I bet has held 5 jobs that lasted less than a month. When he isn’t working, he’s begging for money from everyone.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 10:32:30 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Gabz

My experiences in IT have been much the same. I’ve been working with server hardware and data center management for 10 years now thanks to those temp agencies.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 10:32:33 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kartographer
I've been in field service for a Fortune 500 industrial pump company for about 6 years now. Was never affected by Obama destrustion of the economy however I cannot say the same for many of my collegues. I get calls from recruiters at least once a week. The next big thing is oil production

In Brazil and Venezuela!!!

I will continue to stay here until this disaster of a "president" is sent packing and will then switch to strictly 1099 status while I develop my own small business in a different field entirely.

13 posted on 07/26/2011 10:36:33 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Kartographer

I think employers and companies are unwise to restrict their pool of applicants merely because they are unemployed. It happens and I bet there is not one personnel manager who can give a lucid reason why the policy exists, Having said that, the government has no business layering on another anti discrimination regulation against such a hiring practice. Companies should be free to make “unwise” decisions free of government interference.


14 posted on 07/26/2011 10:38:17 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: Gabz

Congrats!


15 posted on 07/26/2011 10:41:38 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Kartographer

The solution is to have your own business so you can say you’re self employed when you’re not working for anyone else.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 10:42:10 AM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Kartographer

here is a thought, since the majority of the unemployed are men or older, could this be a way of hidden sexism and agism.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 10:49:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rarestia

He had been with IBM, but they had been moving to get out of the servicing end, except for big systems for a long time. They started making life so miserable for the techs in an effort to get them to quit so they couldn’t collect unemployment and so the company could stop dealing with the old system pension plan.

We never, in our wildest dreams, imagined it would take so long. It was a miserable 3 years, just trying to maintain, especially when I lost my job less than a year later and was also unable to collect unemployment due to the nature of my employment.

We made it through and our family, and our faith are a whole lot stronger now than ever before. That job was going to kill one of two things, either him or our marriage and family. Those were far more important than the paycheck.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 10:51:51 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: chuckee

if you are employed:

you have not sued your boss.
you have not tried to unionize.
you don’t complain to annoyance.
you are not too old so they look for excuses to fire you.
you are probably part of a quota group...


19 posted on 07/26/2011 10:52:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: atc23

Good for you and good luck!


20 posted on 07/26/2011 11:00:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Thank you. As I say in my post at #18 - it has been rough.

We haven’t totally gotten our selves out of the hole, but we’re back filling it pretty well!


21 posted on 07/26/2011 11:02:45 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: eak3

A lot of the ‘Employed” people I know are ‘Yes Men’, ‘Yes Women’ and butt kissers who make no waves often just shuffling through their daily routine. I suspect this is one of the reasons ‘employed’ people are good risk for hire... they will never challenge their new boss.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 11:13:00 AM PDT by ICCtheWay (S)
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To: Kartographer

Just like in the late 70’s. Employers think they have the cream of the crop to pick from, but no one wants to move from their current job because no one knows how long any job will last; at least now they’ve got a job they know. And unemployment remains high. Thanks, employers.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 11:26:05 AM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: longtermmemmory

So if you are looking for a tech person with a specific set of skills that may be difficult to find you should exclude any applicant sending in a resume with those skills because he is currently unemployed? Quite honestly I would fire the personnel manager who does not interview such an applicant for fear that the applicant may have sued his boss, tried to unionize,etc.. You are not going to know that until you have interviewed him and if he is a whiner or he sued his boss or walks in wearing a dress, you can trash his application.But to hamper the hiring process for fear of what you may run into in an interview for a job function requiring hard to find skills is unwise.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 11:45:24 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: ICCtheWay

I have to agree with you on this. I know in my own experiences on the job, I get myself into trouble alot because I question and challenge things. I havent been and never will be a “Yes” person. I work with plenty of those mindless “Yes” zombies and they drive me nuts.


25 posted on 07/26/2011 11:48:49 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Kartographer
The old advice: Don't leave one job until you find a better one has always been good advice.

In the past, when times were good and unemployment low, the fact that someone was unemployed might well mean something negative. But with the recent high unemployment and large scale layoffs and outsourcing, the fact that someone is unemployed is probably less likely to mean anything negative about the individual. But it's still a disadvantage and probably always will be regardless of the economic situation. Some prospective employers will always suspect something negative, not entirely without reason.

26 posted on 07/26/2011 11:57:37 AM PDT by Will88
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To: chuckee

(s) they hire tech people from the usa? from the news one would think they are all h1b visas. (/s)

seriously you do have a point but not all jobs are tech.


27 posted on 07/26/2011 12:00:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kartographer

ahh, looks like the tort litigation bar has just found a new project to keep them all busy


28 posted on 07/26/2011 12:11:21 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kartographer

So start a small business, give it a name, and list it as your current employer. Choose something you already do as a hobby. For me it was sewing costumes in a corner of the living room, for someone else it might be fencing lessons in the back yard, interior decorating consultations, lawn mowing, whatever.

If no one hires you, you can at least try to make a go of the business. If it’s a small enough business the taxes aren’t too bad. And it shows ambition and resourcefullness when listed on your resume. But it also means you now can apply for the “unemployed need not apply” jobs.


29 posted on 07/26/2011 12:23:52 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Kartographer

Millions of the “unemployed” who survive won’t buy much from those nonproductive employers in their lifetimes. Their day for demise will come soon enough. Service businesses have mostly government income recipients as their customers.

Spite them. Put some thought and work into becoming self-sufficient every day, or not. It’s up to each of you. This country can’t continue to run on debt alone for so many of the government-dependent, licensed and approved, thieving morons.

And BTW, the depression isn’t at its low, yet. It must fall to what the level of manufacturing and agriculture in the USA will support (far less, and that’s in the USA, not counting foreign manufacturing facilities owned by Americans). And the deeper depression is probably going to last ten years or more. ...probably longer. And many of us are refusing to see that foreign enemies also have their eyes on our economic situation, and those foreign enemies are building more nuclear weapons.

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30 posted on 07/26/2011 12:37:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Kartographer

I see many of the employed as the polidiot employees that are slackers but didn’t get cut because of the personal politics.

This makes the unemployed the workers that got cut because they were too busy doing the work and not spending their time politicking.


31 posted on 07/26/2011 12:45:00 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: jeffc
Employers think they have the cream of the crop to pick from, but no one wants to move from their current job because no one knows how long any job will last; at least now they’ve got a job they know. And unemployment remains high. Thanks, employers.

Your post makes absolutely no sense to me. Why the "Thanks, employers."?

32 posted on 07/26/2011 2:05:39 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: glorgau

We’re in the same boat. I wish we could move to Texas but most of our biz is tied with the lib major studios. We started doing work for ourselves when we had a boss who was an absolute moron telling us what to do when we knew better than her.


33 posted on 07/26/2011 2:14:06 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Kartographer
I lost my job in May, had surgery in June (company knew this was scheduled) no short term disability or unemployment. I will get unemployment now since I have been released to work. I have been lucky though, my house is paid for, car is old and have no credit cards. The danger of a lay off was always in my mind (they took away seniority in January)so we bought nothing we couldn't pay cash for. My husband took my resume to his work and they promised that I would be the first one hired in September. The boss knew where I worked and I believe that he is intrigued that hubby wants to work with me. The pay will be greatly reduced but close to home and once they see what I contribute..my pay will reflect the experience I have. The HR guy from Germany said that the older people were grateful that the company hired them but kids today think that the company is lucky to have them...the company applauds this crazy thinking. Could be why I don't have a job..loyalty is not rewarded.
34 posted on 07/27/2011 8:32:42 AM PDT by Dianer0839 (Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel will now be turned off.)
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