Posted on 07/26/2011 10:30:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Conservative Republicans on Tuesday balked at House leaders' pleas to stop whining and back their plan to slash spending and increase the nation's borrowing ability, throwing into doubt the GOP's proposal to rescue the nation from an unprecedented government default.
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Flanked by conservative colleagues, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, told reporters he could not back the Boehner proposal and said it doesn't have the votes to pass. In a two-step plan, Boehner is pressing for a vote on Wednesday and a second vote Thursday on a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.
"We think there are real problems with this plan," said Jordan, who heads the Republican Study Group. ..
"If I had to vote right now, my vote would be no," said Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla.
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“I just listened to Boehener on the radio tell Rush Limbaugh that meaningful cuts won’t be possible because of all the baby boomers retiring”
I heard it too. If this is how the DC Elites think, a collapse of the U.S. is coming for sure.
Bingo!
The republicans are playing the baseline budgeting game like they did in the 90s. The party will not survive this time.
My prediction: The GOP candidate loses in 2012, the GOP candidate finishes 3rd in 2016 (behind the dems and whatever will replace the repubs) and the GOP will not exist as a national party in 2020.
REPUBLICANS: ITS TIME TO FIGHT!
Putting it as plainly as I can... Boehner’s plan sucks - big time! I just listened to him explain it on Rush’s show. Unfortunately, it sounds like that brief spine he’s grown recently in standing up to Obama is now beginning to melt away. I’m sorry, but cuts 10 years out = NO CUTS! They’ll never happen! This is NOT acceptable! No way - no how!
Boner needs to go, if thats the best he can do.
And, people, do not fall for the Dems and the "media"'s attempt to spin any failure of increasing the debt ceiling on Repubs('cuz that's really all the Dems want, so they can spend more money).
I also heard Boehner on the Limbaugh Show. All of the good things he said last night have been dashed by the B.S. he served up an hour ago. A pitiful $6 billion in cuts in 2012?!? Hey, Speaker Boehner, you’ll be spending $1,500 billion more than you’ll be taking in in 2012, you imbecile! That’s all the cuts you can come up with?!?
I’ve had it with Speaker Boehner. No confidence. He is surrendering when he has the high ground, an enemy in retreat and his people on the verge of victory. Simply pathetic.
From what I understood from Boner, Obama gets his spending now...we get our spending cuts at some point in the future.
No deal, Boner.
A promise from you to me doesn’t mean sh!t, pal.
There’s a fine line between being a RINO, and just accepting reality as to what will pass.
Too many conservatives, and I admit I am sometimes guilty of this, want all or nothing, right now. I challenge some of the people around FR to go to Congress and try to get a real spending cut passed - or any bill - it’s not easy.
Instead, get what we can now, and do it in a way that WEAKENS Obama so he’s not re-elected. If we fail miserably and/or hand him a victory next fall, not much is going to matter, nor will it if we lose the House and/or fail to capture the Senate.
This didn’t happen overnight and won’t be fixed overnight, either. We do need to minimize any increase in the debt ceiling, and I also think we are perilously close to the edge, but trying too hard and failing could cause us to fall off the cliff without another chance to try to fix things.
I’m perfectly fine with going over the cliff.
Bring it on, we’ve earned it, to say the least.
One way or another, this country and its voters need to learn the consequences of our ignorant voting.
It doesn’t really cut that. It cuts from the proposed increased base line. Not one proposal being voted on really cuts anything. They ALL increase spending by TRILLIONS of dollars.
We are being screwed!
“I’m perfectly fine with going over the cliff.
Bring it on, we’ve earned it, to say the least.
One way or another, this country and its voters need to learn the consequences of our ignorant voting.”
Amen, We get what we deserve as a nation. Its time to take our medicine and right this ship. Without drastic changes back to the founding principles we loss everything not just some of our rights and liberties. We are selling our futures now!
So let the ignorant ones live the crash, why should we? We didn’t cause this...
Trent Lott also said of this last batch of Republican conservatives that as soon as they got to Washington the establishment would convert them. Lott is the typical inside the beltway career politician turned lobbyist. When Henry Hyde and the house impeached Slick Willie and sent the process to the Senate for disposal, Lott told them they were not going to "Drop this in my lap!", meaning he was not going to take the heat. He also, when the House was split 50-50 but the Republicans had the Pres.-VP spots also, meaning it was technically 51-50 Republicans, Lott, the Senate leader, said in order to be fair he would split the committee chairmanships equally among Dems and Reps. Lott is what is wrong with Washington.
Spot on.
This is about the one party system against the Tea Party rebels.
That cartoon really sums it up brilliantly!
I am old enough to remember that well. What a loser Lott was.
I have to say that I can't argue with your statements, not one bit. I know that there are plenty around here that will endeavor to keep everyone optimistic, and I can understand why. Heck, before the 2008 election I was pretty much a brimming optimist for 50 years. And no, I'm not fool enough to think that it all went down hill since then. But I was basically "clueless" as to what had been going on for decades, I was simply ignorant of the facts and reality. So as a combination of spending the past few years reading and studying (with a great deal of the sources and materials being found here on FR) so that I have a better picture of what has really been going on for longer than I have been alive, and seeing how intensely the destruction has been ramped up by this evil administration in the past few years, I really don't see any reason to remain optimistic. (I suppose I can say that I am somewhat optimistic that enough patriots and our children can survive to re-start the republic after the crash, but that is about it.)
I simply don't see how this country and national economy can survive much longer. The amount of Debt is staggering at this point, and none of these discussions even begin to address the real story (which includes tens of Trillions more in "unfunded liabilities"). And this is just the fedgov picture, add in the rest of the real debt at state and local levels and you can quickly see an unsolvable problem.
We have allowed fedgov to grow into a mammoth, totally unsupportable, level. The current level of annual deficit spending (approx $1.65 T) that is projected to continue into the future does nothing but make the overall problem worse and worse. And here we sit, both sides essentially agreeing to increase the "debt limit" and bickering over the size of (drop in the ocean) "cuts" that are basically lessening the rate of increase in spending for all intents and purposes.
For this national economy to survive in its current (or more properly its intended) state, MASSIVE CUTS at all levels of government are required. And I'm sorry, I just don't see the will in place in our body politic to ever take even one tiny step in that direction. And, truth be told, I don't think that these steps could be undertaken quickly enough to have any real effect, without the entire society and culture dissolving into chaos and destruction (such is the sad, but real, condition of a society that has grown increasingly dependent on the government teat over several generations). government has been allowed to morph and grow into an unrecognizable behemoth that could barely be traced to its Constitutional roots at this point in time. In my opinion, I would venture to say that 99 out of 100 functions performed by fedgov at the present are un-Constitutional and un-necessary. (In the "best" cases there are merely wasteful, in most cases they are pathogenically harmful.)
So, I am sorry but I don't see any possible outcome other that a total crash and re-set. The only question is the timing and nature of it. Personally I would rather deal with it NOW, in a hard and furious manner; let's get it over with so that our children will have (at least a chance of) an opportunity to get started on rebuilding. Seeing this body politic just continue to kick it down the road a bit more each time is becoming insufferable; how much longer do any of us want to keep "surviving" in an ever worsening environment? Especially when we KNOW what the ultimate outcome must be?
...and this proposal comes from OUR side?
Politics in America is hopeless.
America is going down the tubes.
Get yourself ready because nobody is gonna answer 911 when this dying monster sinks like a rock.
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