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Abortionist admits: babies sometimes born alive and left ‘wiggling around in the toilet’
Life Site News ^ | July 26, 2011 | KATHLEEN GILBERT

Posted on 07/26/2011 3:17:46 PM PDT by NYer

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To: CitizenUSA; TheBattman
Said TheBattman: I am aggravated that there is no finger-pointing at the women who CHOOSE abortion in the first place - are they not just as guilty?

Then replied CitizenUSA: I can't speak for all of the women, but certainly a lot of them simply don't understand the gravity of what's going on....

Now replies Jesse:
I agree with both of you. I argue that abortion meets all the requirements for first degree murder. Anyone, mother or other, who intentionally kills with premeditation another innocent human life has committed first degree murder in reality (but not legally due to a judge making a ruling.)

However, Citizen brings up a good point - ignorance. Let me back up slightly: What if someone drives over a cardboard box, after being assured that it only contained trash, but to find out later it had a live child in it. Was driving over the cardboard box without checking inside a dumb thing to do? Absolutely. Probably negligent manslaughter, if the driver should have known it was possible that there was someone in the box. But, it's not murder.

Now back to the topic at hand, young people are pounded and pounded with the idea that a fetus is just a collection of non-viable cells. They say that a fetus is not a human life, even though it is both human and alive.

So there is a heavy burden also on those who know the truth, and either lie to young people, or don't tell them the truth.

And that's what is so great about Freerepublic -- is the discussion can be had, and the word can be spread, and individual lives can be touched with the truth.

The Abortionists, however, do know the truth, and always carry the full guilt for what they do.

To those of you who (or who's wives) have had abortions, please do not despair. Christ paid with his blood for the greatest sin possible, that you may be forgiven, you have only to ask. But please also do not waste the past: Share with your children and your friends the truth to help prevent them from making the same mistake, and being haunted for life. Even though Christ forgives us, often our actions still cause us suffering for the duration of our life on this earth, but God can use those experiences to help others, and I think by helping others we ourselves are often helped as well.

~Jesse

PS: I was pleased to see that an FR article is currently the top hit for Abortion First Degree Murder on Google.
81 posted on 07/26/2011 9:45:44 PM PDT by mrjesse (The big bang and dark matter exist only in black holes that are supposed to be full of gray matter)
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To: ishmac

That is why they lobbied so hard for the “partial-birth abortion” procedure. Stab the back of the skull and suction out the brain, and there’s no worry about the “complication” of a live baby. They are truly barbaric!!!


82 posted on 07/26/2011 9:47:17 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: rdcbn
I agree with you there. An abortionist AS WELL AS assisting nurses carry out the gruesome deed. Only when all the “parts” (head, torso, arms, legs) are identified as being removed is the abortion over. Any "tissue" left behind can cause serious infections - not that that has never happened. There has to be a numbing of the conscience to continue in this dirty business - there HAS to be. ALL of them are in it for the money, a woman's rights to reproductive “health” is the last thing on their minds.

This business of it being between a woman and her doctor is a big lie. Most likely the doctor has never met the woman before until the day she enters the room for her procedure. This whole abortion issue is based on lie after lie. Only when the truth is exposed, will hearts and minds begin to change. I pray for the day when abortion will not need to be made illegal, because abortion will be UNTHINKABLE.

83 posted on 07/26/2011 10:04:58 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: mrjesse

Amen! Great post.


84 posted on 07/26/2011 10:13:17 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Thank you so much for being a voice of reason. I can understand that emotions run high when confronted with the killing of precious babies but I don’t understand all the posters who are pointing fingers at the women and saying nothing about the men who actually committ the dastardly deed and hold the half-alive babes in their hands and proceed to dump them in the toilet or the trash. They murder babies all day long. For a living. THAT is evil. The women who elect to have this done do not always understand the gravity of what they are doing. Not all of them are evil. Many have repented and if the good lord can forgive them it doesn’t matter if a stranger on a message board won’t. Guaranteed if most of them held the baby in their arms they would not have choosen to have it aborted.


85 posted on 07/26/2011 10:29:39 PM PDT by kelly4c
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To: mporter345

These killers will never forget what they have done to their innocent child and this is precisely why they continue to vote for liberals, because their mind is so full of guilt.

No, I was a “killer” at 14 after I was raped by an older man. Those of us with a conscience never do forget. I love children and at times still think about and mourn for my lost child even 26 years later. Never voted for a liberal though.


86 posted on 07/26/2011 10:33:57 PM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Running On Empty

Marking


87 posted on 07/26/2011 10:44:10 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: mrjesse

Your words are wise.

I have been blessed with a beautiful and delightful grandson whom I love more than life itself. My daughter was young and unmarried when pregnant. I told her abortion is not an option. I explained my past. I took a life in my youth, but who knows, maybe I had a hand in saving another very precious one.

When I had my abortion I was young, ignorant, naive and scared. The “adults” at the abortion clinic did not tell me the truth. They said “it” was a clump of cells, tissue, not a “life” yet. They lied. I was a little over 4 months pregnant.


88 posted on 07/26/2011 10:55:06 PM PDT by kelly4c
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To: NYer

Sad bump.


89 posted on 07/26/2011 10:58:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: No Socialist

Is the mother going to get this money???!!! She’s a piece of crap. Please don’t let her profit from what she willingly did to her child with the help of this monster.
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x ACT LEEE


90 posted on 07/26/2011 11:45:42 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Two Kids’ Dad: “Yet the most innocent of all get relegated to squirming in a toilet and God shrugs His shoulders and says “Meh, it’s free will.”??? That ain’t right. Not by a long shot.”

Like it or not, we have free choice. Americans freely chose abortion. Even now, we could eliminate it if we truly wanted to. I’m not speaking of individuals. For example, I don’t think I ever voted for a pro-abortion candidate. I’m speaking of the voting majority, who could, if it really wanted to, pass a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion or simply defining life as beginning at conception.

Don’t blame God. He’s not a disinterested observer. There are punishments in this world and the next for evildoers. Justice will be done, brutal justice that you or I cannot possibly even conceive, and things will be set aright in their proper time. Pray that you or I never experience that justice! I hope for mercy.


91 posted on 07/27/2011 1:04:23 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Good, OTOH, is work. It takes discipline.)
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To: kelly4c

kelly4c: “Many have repented and if the good lord can forgive them it doesn’t matter if a stranger on a message board won’t.”

Not to minimize abortion, but we are all evildoers. Not one of us is good, and none of us has a right to throw the proverbial first stone at you.


92 posted on 07/27/2011 1:36:36 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Good, OTOH, is work. It takes discipline.)
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To: Boogieman
If we can’t get abortion outlawed, I’d at least like a law that requires women to get some distinct tatoo mark every time they get one. Then, when I meet a woman, I can look at the back of her neck, and see how many innocent lives she has slaughtered.
And then you ask ...
How many women, if you asked them outright, would admit to it, and how many would lie out of shame?
Regretful post-abortive moms (of which I am one) might be lying because it's people with attitudes like yours that are on the receiving end. Want to help end abortion? First off, stop looking for scarlet letters (are you really that much better of a person than the ones you scourge?), and, more importantly, this from Fr. John A. Hardon:
We are only channels of grace to others in the measure that we are possessed of God’s grace ourselves. Let me repeat in the clearest words in my disposal. I would restate our thesis in two propositions.
  • Proposition #1 There is no stopping abortion without an ocean of grace from Jesus Christ. No way will human means stop abortion.

  • #2 The principal source of this grace is the Holy Eucharist.
[emphasis: mine]

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P.S. If you do not already know, Fr. John A. Hardon was good buddies with Mother Teresa of Calcutta (and vice versa; she recommended his writings to us), and we all know how *she* felt about abortion.
93 posted on 07/27/2011 1:48:08 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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This man's testimony goes to show that ALL abortionists should be tried as no less than war criminals. Expecting who are thinking about terminating their pre-born babies better get educated decide to give their baby and right quick. We have adoption and the safe haven law. There's no excuse.
94 posted on 07/27/2011 3:25:25 AM PDT by redeemedbyHim
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To: redeemedbyHim
This man's testimony goes to show that ALL abortionists should be tried as no less than war criminals...We have adoption and the safe haven law. There's no excuse.
When Huckabee was running for president, we were pulling for him (in fact, we created a website "Silent Souls for Huckabee," the silent souls being *both* the babies in heaven and their silent mothers on earth) because Huckabee was intensely pro-life regarding the unborn, and I would dream that he would declare a State of Emergency in this regard when he became POTUS. Currently, Rick Santorum, seems to be the candidate most likely to turn things around (heck he might *actually* declare an SOE), but he doesn't seem to have the numbers following him. I've always thought Bobby Jindal could get the job done as well; I still pray he changes his mind.
95 posted on 07/27/2011 4:10:30 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Impy; metmom; wintertime

Are there even words for such a thing? I’m at a loss.

Most Americans have no idea that things like this go on.


96 posted on 07/27/2011 5:19:41 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Boogieman

“Unfortunately, most women who have had abortions don’t advertise the fact, so it’s hard to know if you are talking to a murderer or an innocent women who would never do that. How many women, if you asked them outright, would admit to it, and how many would lie out of shame?”

That’s just it - makes it very difficult to have a logical discussion about it.
I can think of 4 friends that did this in our younger years (late teens, early twenties). And that is just those that openly discussed it with me. How many never said a word?

And so - those who haven’t had one will still be close to someone who has (most likely)

The women I personally know? All,except one, were very early - quick!get to the clinic! The clinic workers give them the ‘ole “clump of cells” “product of conception” routine, and “let’s take care of this so you can get on with your life”

2 of my friends regretted it, and felt like they were lied to.

One was farther along - and her baby met a brutal ending.

so - the intense emotions involved make it extremely difficult to bring it up with anyone.

Defense mechanisms kick in, making it impossible to get these adults to focus on the humanity of the unborn child.

There is a group called Silent No More, where some women do come forward.


97 posted on 07/27/2011 5:27:30 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Mamzelle

if I were the judge - I would award the little girl a boatload of money for her medical expenses, plus punitive damages.
I would have removed the girl from this mother’s care and appointed a guardian to investigate the best home to place her in.


98 posted on 07/27/2011 5:43:29 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Friendofgeorge

she is a victim because the abortion was a “botched” abortion.
In liberal-land, this means that the baby managed to live.

So...the woman was “punished with a baby”. The daughter’s injuries are a daily reminder that the child refused to die.


99 posted on 07/27/2011 7:27:12 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: CitizenUSA

Sorry, but women do know exactly what they are doing. The are killing their child and know it. They simply whisper in their own ear that it’s not really a person, but they know better in their hearts.


100 posted on 07/27/2011 7:37:59 AM PDT by LevinFan
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