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No More Plans, Republicans!(Rush on Debt limit 7/27/2011)
Rush Limbaugh Online ^ | July 27, 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 07/27/2011 7:41:18 PM PDT by sickoflibs

RUSH: "Tea Party Members Are Suggesting Speaker Boehner Be Replaced." I can't tell you how I knew this was coming, but I knew it was. I knew it was coming. The Tea Party people are serious. There's about a hundred of them in the House. Well, close to a hundred of them, 57, somewhere in there. But rank-and-file Tea Party voters understand something. Despite the massive landslide that occurred last November, both parties still have the same leadership. Nothing has changed. I knew this was coming. When I say I knew it was coming, because I have been told I can't tell you by how many people who consider themselves Tea Party people, Tea Party members, short leash. Leadership doesn't reflect what the election results indicated, get rid of 'em.

Now, the leadership thinks the Tea Party is a bunch of kooks. The leadership in both parties thinks the Tea Party's a bunch of kooks. It's not that they're Tea Partiers, it's that they're outsiders, they're not of the establishment. In Washington it's really not that hard to be a kook. You want the word "cut" to mean cut. When you start talking about cuts, you mean cuts. That makes you a kook within the ruling establishment in Washington. It's really no more complicated than that. Now, I don't know how this is gonna manifest itself, but I do know that this has been effervescing out there and it's now effervesced, or for those of you in Rio Linda "bubbled up," to the surface.

RUSH: We have an opportunity here. The frustrating thing here is it's Obama's who's on the ropes. If they called me and asked my opinion -- which they don't, by the way. I may be the titular head of the party, but they don't call me and ask me my opinion. If they did, I'd say, "I think you guys ought to stop going up there. You know, you did the right thing when you didn't return the phone call. You did the right thing. They're the ones that need this! It's Obama who needs to pull his irons out of the fire.

"It's Obama's reelection we're talking about here; that's what all this is about. This is not about anything other than Obama's reelection. Why help him. Why be his lifeline to that? He doesn't present a plan. Make him pay a price for this! Make him put a plan on paper. Who is this guy? He's the least qualified guy when he walks into any room he's in, and he gets to be referee, and he gets to act above it all? After running up all this spending, after practically personally doubling the debt ceiling himself with his spending, he now gets to sit there and tell us what's approvable and what isn't and what will work and what won't and what he'll sign and what he won't? I know he's president of the United States; I understand that. But it's his reelection that all this is about.

"Obama's reelection has been cast here as 'saving America.' It is Obama's defeat that saves America, not Obama's reelection!" Now, anything that is a lifeline to Obama on this that gets him out of a mess... There's month moral victory to be had here. "What do you mean by moral victory?" I'll give you an exact definition of a moral victory. It's the Super Bowl. Your team qualified by virtue of a bunch of quirk plays in the playoffs. There are five teams better than yours, but you make the Super Bowl, and you're playing the best team in the NFL -- and for three quarters you keep the game close but then in the fourth quarter you get blown out. At the end of the game the coach says, "You guys, this is a great moral victory. You showed the world something today! You show that you don't give up."

It's a loss! There's no such thing as a moral victory, and you don't get credit for moral victories. Voters do not credit losers for moral victories. Now, we won the election in November, and as such, we don't compromise. Winners don't compromise. Loser compromise. We are compromising with ourselves, because we are scared, because we are afraid we're gonna get blamed for whatever calamity that might befall the country. There is no way, in real terms, we get blamed for this because we didn't do this! I'm talking about all this reckless spending, the loss of jobs, this economic disaster. This ain't us. We didn't do this. (interruption) Mr. Snerdley, I am fully aware that the press goes ape every time somebody says, "Don't compromise." (interruption)

Which line? (interruption) Oh, the media is playing that line? Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I've been too busy playing with OS X Lion. I didn't know. They're replaying that line, that losers compromise; winners don't? That line is being played out there? (interruption) Oh, that's why! That's why they're calling me the titular head. That's why they're now all of a sudden saying these guys are listening to me, because I'm the architect of no compromise? Well, then I wear that badge proudly! I wear that uniform proudly. I wear that hat proudly. I told you on this program in Los Angeles last week, "You're compromising with yourself. There's not even a plan!

"You come up with a plan, you go to the White House, and the president says, 'I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that.' You go back, you come back, you go back, you come back. He doesn't ever submit anything. He just tells you what about your plan he's not gonna sign or doesn't like." Well, they end up compromising with themselves. Meanwhile, Carney, the press secretary, said yesterday, they don't even have a plan! Somebody tell me what's wrong or what's incorrect about the philosophy "Winners don't compromise"? Let me tell you something: When the Democrats win, show, give me the examples of their compromises when they win.

They don't. They don't compromise when they lose. Why should we? Why is the onus always on us to compromise? And the only reason we have people who think the onus is on us and that we should compromise is because they've been made to believe that whatever it is we want or believe somehow is extreme, when it's not. It's mainstream. We are the mainstream. The kooks in this country are the left. Obama is president of the kooks! You and I, ladies and gentlemen, are not the kooks. The Tea Party is not a collection of kooks. Mainstream conservatives are not kooks. Now, you're gonna see -- if I'm right about this, you're gonna see -- Republicans go after some conservatives, leading conservatives in the House as being "obstructionists" and so forth, standing in the way. That's what will happen. That's the Ruling Class going after the new arrivals.

Where was the compromise on Obamacare?

Somebody tell me.

Where was the compromise on Obamacare? The point is, they didn't compromise anything. I just am saying: Why is the onus always on us? Now, you might say, "Okay, well, Rush, Obama won the presidency. He won. He's the president. He won." What Obama believes, what Obama ran on, what Obama has done lost in the November elections. Obama won nothing in the November elections -- and furthermore, what Obama believes and what Obama wants has been losing at the state level. He lost in Wisconsin. He's losing in Texas. He's gonna lose in Ohio. He's gonna lose in Indiana. He's in big trouble. Obama is not winning. He is not the winner that we're talking about now -- and he's not compromising, either. They lose cap and trade in the Senate. What do they do? Pursue it at the EPA. That's compromise, right?

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Tonight all the libs on MSNBC are cheering the anticipated failure of tomorrow's vote in the House on Boehner's second plan, the one Obama says he will veto (didnt say that Monday though) and Reid says every of his Democrats will oppose, as well as Pelosi's Democrats.

They are counting on a Republicans failure here because they got a debt plan in mind that Republicans will definitely hate.

The time to Replace Boehner was in January or back in 2009, and it would have been a good idea, but it's a bit off in timing to talk about that now.

1 posted on 07/27/2011 7:41:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; Gilbo_3; ...

I heard this segment live today and thought I would post it. Rush is pretty optimistic about this, but then again I remember his optimism some 15+ years ago on a similar situation.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 7:44:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

btrl


3 posted on 07/27/2011 7:47:35 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: sickoflibs

The Tea Party did not exist back in 2009. And I’ve got news for you.
We are not going away. This sham deal will only enbolden credible Tea Party Candidates to jump in. 2010 was a warm up compared to what 2012 is gonna look like.

We are not going to get depressed and stay home. We are going to vote for any credible Tea Party Candidate running for anything. That candidate could be a republician or an independent. But it won’t be RINO’s


4 posted on 07/27/2011 7:49:11 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: sickoflibs

5 posted on 07/27/2011 7:51:00 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: sickoflibs

Is that old windbag still on the air ?


6 posted on 07/27/2011 7:52:24 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! I know i was kidding)
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To: tennmountainman
RE :”The Tea Party did not exist back in 2009. And I’ve got news for you.
We are not going away. This sham deal will only enbolden credible Tea Party Candidates to jump in. 2010 was a warm up compared to what 2012 is gonna look like.

You probably will have your wish and tomorrows bill will never be put into law, but the one that Democrats cheering it's failure demand will not be to your liking.

7 posted on 07/27/2011 7:53:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: al baby

Whom exactly are you referring to?


8 posted on 07/27/2011 7:56:25 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: sickoflibs

I would suggest to the Republicans is that they give their best deal first. And when the Democrats reject the deal, the Republicans dig in deeper removing more compromise. And so on. When the DemoRats see that they are going nowhere and the Republicans are taking everything off the table one step at a time, maybe they will take the offer. Their choice and the stability of our country rests totally in their greasy hands.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 7:57:37 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 ("When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tennmountainman

Dennis Kucinich is on now and says none of the plans are acceptable to him either, he says they have to demand a debt increase with no spending cuts.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 7:58:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs

‘The time to Replace Boehner was in January or back in 2009...’

Better late than never.

To continue Rush’s analogy, you don’t stick with a quarterback who is throwing interceptions. You yank him and put in someone who can, hopefully, do a better job.

Inspect and adapt. Do it or get left behind.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 7:58:52 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: edge10
As a long-suffering Vikings fan, I feel qualified to say:

John Boehner=Tavaris Jackson.

NO Cheers, unfortunately.

12 posted on 07/27/2011 8:03:26 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: al baby
>”Is that old windbag still on the air ?”<

Is that old Al Baby still posting on FR? ;^)

13 posted on 07/27/2011 8:04:08 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Would you rather live in Obamaville or Palintown?)
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t have a problem raising the debt limit. I have a problem with future phantom cuts and the Blue-Ribbon Commission. CUT SPENDING NOW.

This bill will propably pass, after all the old retired GOP hacks have been pressuring them. I can only imagine the strong arming going on.

Neither plan begins to solve the spending crisis this country faces.
And until that is addressed, this crisis will not disappear. It will only get worse. And if you are waiting to draw a line in the sand until the GOP controls all three branches of govt, u may be waiting a while. Even with a majority, u will have the McCains, The Snowe’s, the Grahams, the McConnell’s to tie things up. So when is the best time to draw a line in the sand? The next deal, the next crisis, the next election, the next decade?


14 posted on 07/27/2011 8:04:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: edge10
RE :”Better late than never.

Boehner was GWB TARP strong-arm man in the house. So it is not like anyone can plead ignorance. It was just January they made him speaker. I have no idea why. How come Rush didnt speak up then?

Something about joining Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and all the libs on MSNBC in defeating this bill strikes me not being the best move.

15 posted on 07/27/2011 8:05:14 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Rome2000
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16 posted on 07/27/2011 8:09:52 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: sickoflibs

Rush neglects the fact that we didn’t not win a Super Bowl and thereby can claim a final victory.

We only won ONE house not the whole shooting match so we have a looong way to go towards that total victory.

Round two next November will be determined by whether we lose patience and get divided or stay together and improve on what has happened. Slow but sure. We won’t win with a ninety yd td but can complete some 15 and 20 yarders to put ourselves in a chance to win.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 8:13:23 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: tennmountainman

I hope this passes the House - it will fail in the Senate. They know that there is no hurry.

We need to get back to CCB.


18 posted on 07/27/2011 8:14:56 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Cobra64

Thanks I just e mailed that to my sister and her son (obama voters )


19 posted on 07/27/2011 8:15:17 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! I know i was kidding)
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To: Cobra64
Are we better off than we were 2 1/2 years ago?
20 posted on 07/27/2011 8:16:03 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: tennmountainman

Who decides what is a real “Tea Party” guy and what is a fraud ala NY? That development shows a great danger to the goals of the Tea Party and Republicans.


21 posted on 07/27/2011 8:16:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: Rome2000

Good chart. Thanks


22 posted on 07/27/2011 8:18:14 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: grey_whiskers

Nah, Joe Kapp.


23 posted on 07/27/2011 8:19:47 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: tennmountainman; edge10; arrogantsob
RE :”I don’t have a problem raising the debt limit. I have a problem with future phantom cuts and the Blue-Ribbon Commission. CUT SPENDING NOW. This bill will propably pass, after all the old retired GOP hacks have been pressuring them. I can only imagine the strong arming going on.

It may pass the House but Democrats control 2/3rds of government and they will do anything they can to keep it from going into law. And challenging Democrats with this bill is no automatic win on getting it in law, something much, much worse could still be in our future even after they get forced to say 'NO,NO,NO' in front of the world.

Dont forget, Pelosi did NOT try to ram through the stimulus and Obama-care in 2007 when Bush was POTUS, she never would have made Speaker again in 2009 and passed those things into law if she took that suicidal position.

Democrats worked together as a team in 2007-2008 with one goal, to get the power they needed to get their agenda passed with NO Republican votes, and they were somewhat successful.

Democrats actually wanted to win, not make a grand losing stand and get swept out in 2009.

24 posted on 07/27/2011 8:19:54 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: arrogantsob

I guess you have to look at their history. Do they have conservative principals? Is there a record to confirm their conservative ideas etc.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 8:22:45 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Principled

I guess we shall soon see where the rubber meets the road.


26 posted on 07/27/2011 8:24:07 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: arrogantsob
Kapp was decent, and had a 7-TD game in, what was it, 1969?

I don't see how he's Weepy Boner.

Unless you mean he always got to the playoffs and never won the big one.

Cheers!

27 posted on 07/27/2011 8:24:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: o_zarkman44

Their choice and the stability of our country rests totally in their greasy hands.

That does NOT infuse me with a feeling of confidence.


28 posted on 07/27/2011 8:27:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: arrogantsob; tennmountainman; edge10

It is like some of these House members only planned on one two year term and it’s ‘fix the entire country or bust’ this year because they dont plan on being around after that.

Democrats were much more determined to win and get their agenda passed when they were in a similar situation in 2007. Pelosi crushed any ideas of liberal suicidal stands those first two years, she ran off Cindy Sheenan and shut down Conyers impeachment hearings. She wanted to win 2008. That was her sole mission then, Rush completely blocked out those two years 2007-2008 of history.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 8:28:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
I wish Boehner would just give up trying to fool the conservatives. IT WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE. If the TEA party Reps. will not vote until the last 30 seconds and bring down this monstrosity, the Speaker will have to ask the Democrats and the President to put something on paper acceptable to the entire Republican caucus. I see that as putting the ball into their court. Problem is that every Republican in the House except the TEA party Reps. will vote for any DemocRat or Presidential plan. That is a good thing. We need to have our list of elitist establishment supporters ready for the next election.
30 posted on 07/27/2011 8:29:25 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER thaln a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: sickoflibs

I must say this situation is very interesting and I have no idea how they are going to solve it given the irreconcilable positions of the parties and determined interest groups involved. But we are watching representative democracy at its highest/lowest.


31 posted on 07/27/2011 8:31:54 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: sickoflibs

bfl


32 posted on 07/27/2011 8:32:43 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: o_zarkman44
I would suggest to the Republicans is that they give their best deal first. And when the Democrats reject the deal, the Republicans dig in deeper removing more compromise. And so on. When the DemoRats see that they are going nowhere and the Republicans are taking everything off the table one step at a time, maybe they will take the offer. Their choice and the stability of our country rests totally in their greasy hands.

Absolutely!

33 posted on 07/27/2011 8:33:49 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: sickoflibs

A big problem with the “Victors don’t compromise” idea is that we did not win a comprehensive final victory last fall.

2010 was not the Battle of Hastings but a victorious cavalry charge.


34 posted on 07/27/2011 8:34:56 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: o_zarkman44
RE :"I would suggest to the Republicans is that they give their best deal first. And when the Democrats reject the deal, the Republicans dig in deeper removing more compromise. And so on. When the DemoRats see that they are going nowhere and the Republicans are taking everything off the table one step at a time, maybe they will take the offer."

See, you are actually thinking of how to win. That is the type of logic I can understand. And as I been posting, they should have started this weeks ago not letting Obama run out the clock in phony negotiations on a deal Obama was never going to make.

This just say 'no' stuff works great when you control neither House or WH, but once they got the House winning becomes a bit more complicated, and Democrats REALLY want to win. That is all they want.

35 posted on 07/27/2011 8:35:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
Kamikaze Representatives? LoL
36 posted on 07/27/2011 8:38:07 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: tennmountainman

Yes but I hope that Boehner comes to see that we are not in a crisis-rush. Slow it down.

And I saw on another thread an idea to pass BBA in exchange for a debt max increase. Clean and simple.

As long as their are caps like CCB i’d be on board.


37 posted on 07/27/2011 8:41:31 PM PDT by Principled
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To: cashless
RE :”I wish Boehner would just give up trying to fool the conservatives. IT WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE. If the TEA party Reps. will not vote until the last 30 seconds and bring down this monstrosity, the Speaker will have to ask the Democrats and the President to put something on paper acceptable to the entire Republican caucus.

More likely when the heat goes up after this weekend Boehner goes to Pelosi offering surrender for her votes to go with RINOs, the Republican party fractures and fights itself whole Democrats cluster-bomb them both, Pelosi takes over as Speaker in 2013 and then voting NO on everything in the House against Pelosi will be a political winner again as with 2009-2010.(Ok, this is the very worst case)

Democrats will be doing EVERYTHING they can to kill this bill, they dont need Republicans help.

38 posted on 07/27/2011 8:42:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: grey_whiskers

LOL. I was thinking of the Vikings too.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 8:43:21 PM PDT by gore_sux_2000 (Sarah Palin can touch M.C. Hammer.)
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To: tennmountainman

“Neither plan begins to solve the spending crisis this country faces.”

Oh so true and add to the mix that no matter what we will see a credit drop which makes things worst, all these cuts are nothing at all.

We need drastic cuts! Wouldn’t it be good for our credit rating to drop tomorrow during the discussion of this junk bill?

They are wasting time playing politics and are not getting serious!


40 posted on 07/27/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: sickoflibs

In the shrimp spine boner would admit he is a complete failure and say he would step down and retire at the end of this term I would agree with you. Otherwise, the leadership in congress has got to be fired. Because they are as useless as tits on a boar hog.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 8:46:01 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: al baby
Thanks I just e mailed that to my sister and her son (obama voters )

Excellent! I wish the GOP would use this form of communication getting the facts out to America.

42 posted on 07/27/2011 8:46:02 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Principled

Frankly, there is not enough folks in DC who can look beyond Power, to save this country. It’s about blame and power. Not about saving this once great nation. There are no country saving solutions in either of these bills, just deals. It’s pretty sad actually.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 8:47:17 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

The financial tool that we have that is most likely to save us is CCB... brought to us by the people most likely to save us... Tea Party folks.

We need more of them.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 8:51:15 PM PDT by Principled
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To: sickoflibs

In the shrimp spine boner would admit he is a complete failure and say he would step down and retire at the end of this term I would agree with you. Otherwise, the leadership in congress has got to be fired. Because they are as useless as tits on a boar hog.


45 posted on 07/27/2011 8:54:49 PM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Principled

I could not agree more. The CCB is the only solution. But the folks in DC are about blame and power. Not about solutions. It appears only a collapse will re-boot this country, since the DC crowd are in denial.
Unless something dramatic happens in DC soon, this country will fold within 10 years.


46 posted on 07/27/2011 8:57:53 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman; o_zarkman44; arrogantsob; edge10; cashless
RE :”I don’t have a problem raising the debt limit. I have a problem with future phantom cuts and the Blue-Ribbon Commission. CUT SPENDING NOW.

I agree with you 100% on that and I have been posting that same thought regularly for a couple on months now. It urks me that they keep on doing this .

FNC Special report today reported Boehner was forced to move 90B of cuts into FY12, If true that is a hell-of-a-lot better than anything we will get if the wheels go off the bus and Obama gets to write the final bill.

I remember all the tough talk in 1995 especially by Rush leading up to the shutdown, and while Newt still claims Clinton caved to him, Newt completely caved, gave Clinton EVERYTHING he demanded and he even paid the government workers for the time of the shutdown costing even more money than keeping the government open. Newt had no idea how to fight and win a battle like that. He thought winning would be automatic and easy.

47 posted on 07/27/2011 8:58:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
"You probably will have your wish and tomorrows bill will never be put into law, but the one that Democrats cheering it's failure demand will not be to your liking. "

I disagree.

Reid cannot get any bill through the Senate that is liked by the progressive left.

Remember, of the 33 Senators up for reelection in 2012, 23 are democrats. Of those 23, 15 are from red or battleground states.

WHATEVER bill passes the Senate will have real cuts and will not include a tax increase. And, I believe, will not gut the military.

I know Reid's "plan" does gut the military, but any final bill will not.

The heat is about to shift to the Senate. Pass a bill. Any bill. Just pass one.

48 posted on 07/27/2011 8:59:48 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: sickoflibs

Clinton had leverage and FBI files on Gingrich. During that time, Gingrich was banging his girlfriend, while still married.


49 posted on 07/27/2011 9:00:58 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: sickoflibs

You pass the bill you want first. When it’s rejected, sit tight until the other side puts something in writing. Otherwise the GOP goes down the tubes owning the “The Boehner Bill.” If we must lose, make it their plan.


50 posted on 07/27/2011 9:05:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats are no longer into "tax and spend," now it's all about "spend and tax.")
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