PRESIDENT OBAMA AND TREASURY SECRETARY GEITHNER HAVE BOTH SAID SENIORS/DISABLED/VETERANS AND OTHERS WOULD BE IN DANGER OF NOT GETTING PAID IF DEBT CEILING IS NOT RAISED VIA CONGRESS. THAT MAKES THE DEBT CEILING BILL A "FINANCIAL BILL THAT MUST START IN THE HOUSE", however, REID TABLED THE HOUSE BILL, WITHOUT A VOTE IN SENTATE...THEREBY THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR: (Wikipedia):
The Committee of Ways and Means is the chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives. Members of the Ways and Means Committee are not allowed to serve on any other House Committees unless they apply for a waiver from their party's congressional leadership. The Committee has jurisdiction over all taxation, tariffs and other revenue-raising measures, as well as a number of other programs including:
Social Security Unemployment benefits Medicare Enforcement of child support laws Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, a federal welfare program Foster care and adoption programs The U.S. Constitution requires that all bills regarding taxation must originate in the House of Representatives. Since House procedure is that all bills regarding taxation must go through this committee, the committee is very influential, as is its Senate counterpart, the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance . NOW, THE DEBT CEILING IS ALL ABOUT HOW OUR "TAXES" are being spent, and turned into debt, correct? So how does REID AND THE SENATE GET TO START A BILL REGARDING THE DEBT LIMIT, WHEN THEY DID NOT TAKE A VOTE ON THE CAP, CUT AND BALANCE BILL FROM THE HOUSE?
Speaker Boehner and the GOP are still stating they will pass a bill today, and there is still several days left, before the deadline....I think REID is violating the Constitition, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I guess “originate in” is just some old dead white guys way of saying whatever.
No, he does not. But he can amend the bill the House sent.
Um ... I think your caps lock key is broken.
I think you've had too much caffeine.
I think this is NOT breaking news (especially in ALL CAPS!)
Read THIS!!!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fights-over-debt-limit-have-long-history-2011-07-28?link=mw_home_kiosk
He has all the authority boner will give him. All boner has to do is say “Spending bills originate in the house. So, Mr Reid, I suggest you stop wasting your members’ time and get back to ratifying treaties.” But he won’t do it.
Neither law, nor custom, nor procedure, nor the "watchdog" media, nor even (it seems) the courts will stop them.
And so far, not an armed populace...
If they can finesse/ignore the “natural born” provision of Article II, they can easily ignore this one! I also believe it’s been done before (under Clinton).
I was thinking just earlier this morning after I heard about Reid’s plan that the House should pull a tit-for-tat, and declare it dead on arrival... they should also send a letter to the senate signed by all republicans stating just what you said... The senate has NO AUTHORITY to originate financial legislation.
The senate should be FORCED to take up and debate Cut Cap and Balance. PERIOD!!!!!
He can just take any bill the House has sent him this year on any subject and strip it out and use it as a shell. I don’t know when this started but it has been going on for a long time. Not saying I like it just that this is how it has been done.
He can do exactly the same thing he did for the ObamaCare bill: Take an existing House passed bill that includes a funding component, and amend it by striking every single word in the bill and replacing it with the desired legislation.
Reid can take *any* House bill that’s been sent over, strip entirely of its present language, and copy-n-paste his own bill into it. That’s what he did with ObamaCare.
Be forewarned, the title police will nail you for making up your own title!
Unless a bill specifically raises taxes or appropriates spending, it does not have to originate in the House. Even the bill being used for the Boehner plan originated in the Senate - it is Senate Bill 627, amended to include the language of the Boehner Plan using a technoque often called “gut and amend”.
Even if he wanted to include taxes and new spending, Reid could use the “gut and amend” process to insert his bill into a bill that “originated” in the House.
Section. 7.
Clause 1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
As I understand it, the Reid bill does not raise taxes/revenue. Its just phantom spending cuts/gimmicks and an increase in the debt ceiling, so I don’t see why they can’t originate such a bill in the Senate.