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How Would the Supreme Court Rule on Obama Raising the Debt Ceiling Himself?
The New Republic ^ | July 29, 2011 | Jeff Rosen

Posted on 07/30/2011 1:45:56 PM PDT by SteveH

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To: Verginius Rufus
...debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion...

The debts incurred for the surge in Iraq are clearly covered--that was definitely spent to suppress an insurrection or rebellion.

Well, let's not twist meaning of the 14th Amendment like the Democrats are trying to do.

Section 4 of the 14th Amendment did not refer to any "insurrection or rebellion" anywhere at any time. It dealt specifically with THE Rebellion.

AKA: "The Civil War", "The Great Rebellion", "The War of Northern Aggression".

The purpose of Section 4 was to let it be known to all creditors that any U.S. Government debt incurred during the Civil War would be honored but any Confederate debt was illegal and void.

61 posted on 07/30/2011 4:40:59 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

I believe Obama was not a teacher of law, or law professor. It is my understanding he was more like a TA, or lecturer. And I can believe he lectures. But he is also an idiot.


62 posted on 07/30/2011 4:51:29 PM PDT by CT
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To: Polybius

I believe Obama was not a teacher of law, or law professor. It is my understanding he was more like a TA, or lecturer. And I can believe he lectures. But he is also an idiot.


63 posted on 07/30/2011 4:51:46 PM PDT by CT
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To: CT
I believe Obama was not a teacher of law, or law professor. It is my understanding he was more like a TA, or lecturer. And I can believe he lectures. But he is also an idiot.

The language and intention of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment is quite clear.

I do not believe that Obama and the Democrats pushing for the "14th Amendment option" are that stupid but I do believe that they are that shameless and lawless.

64 posted on 07/30/2011 5:02:33 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: CT
Obama was an adjunct (which is somewhat higher than a T.A.). Reportedly he got the position because political pressure was placed on the University of Chicago--and supposedly he spent class time talking about basketball.

Anyone smart enough to be in the University of Chicago law school probably knew more about the Constitution than Obama anyway.

65 posted on 07/30/2011 5:40:03 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SteveH

Obama was not a law professor. ..more like a visiting lecturer.


66 posted on 07/30/2011 5:59:24 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SteveH

The Progressives want “unity” in the country.

Josef Stalin had it, Adolf Hitler had it, same for
Mr. Mao, Mr. Ho, Mr. Lenin and Mr. Castro.

If Mr. Obama raises the debt ceiling by himself, his followers will be dancing in the streets celebrating “unity”. (What a dangerous bunch of scu&bags.)

IMHO


67 posted on 07/30/2011 6:11:29 PM PDT by ripley
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To: SteveH

While the suit was being adjudicated American debt would be poison.


68 posted on 07/30/2011 6:12:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama, eat your GOPeas.)
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To: thouworm
We must assume that a rabid cornered animal will do what comes naturally.

Nothing beyond the scope of Animal Control personnel.

69 posted on 07/30/2011 7:01:37 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Psalm 144

I was married to a lawyer for 34 years. Thank you, but I know what con law is. But thank you for your input.


70 posted on 07/30/2011 8:08:32 PM PDT by hstacey (Army Mom...)
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To: Psalm 144

I was married to a lawyer for 34 years. Thank you, but I know what con law is. But thank you for your input.


71 posted on 07/30/2011 8:08:38 PM PDT by hstacey (Army Mom...)
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To: SteveH
This is eerily like Clinton v. City of New York, where the Supreme Court ruled the Line Item Veto unconstitutional under current provisions.

“[R]epeal of statutes, no less than enactment, must conform with Art. I.” INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919, 954 (1983). There is no provision in the Constitution that authorizes the President to enact, to amend, or to repeal statutes."

72 posted on 07/30/2011 9:45:51 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: WHBates

Removing the 14th Amendment gives him the power of a tyrant. Rending the Congress useless and the people powerless.


73 posted on 07/31/2011 2:57:20 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Polybius

The ones pushing the 14th Amendment option don’t give a rats rear end about the Constitution, this country, or it’s founding. They are Marxists. The enemy within.


74 posted on 07/31/2011 3:00:23 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: SteveH
He might try it...if he can't get no satisfaction from his puppets (Reid and Boehner). Of course, that might invite the USSC to attempt to slap his wrist.

Even if they ruled against him, he could declare a national emergency and rule with impugnity. I'd get really afraid when you start to see the ranks of FEMA expand exponentially, you know, with that Civilian Defense Corps he talked about? As equally well-funded and as well staffed as the Department of Defense?

75 posted on 07/31/2011 3:03:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SteveH

I bet they would throw the case out of court for lack of standing.


76 posted on 07/31/2011 3:21:39 AM PDT by Publius Maximus (It was a nice Republic, while it lasted.)
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