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GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory
The Washington Post ^ | 07/31/2011 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 07/31/2011 4:21:56 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

By all accounts, it looks like a deal is about to be announced in which the debt ceiling is hiked in exchange for the promise of major spending cuts, including to entitlements, totalling at least $2.4 trillion.

Anything can happen, but it apppears the GOP is on the verge of pulling off a political victory that may be unprecedented in American history. Republicans may succeed in using the threat of a potential outcome that they themselves acknowledged would lead to national catastrophe as leverage to extract enormous concessions from Democrats, without giving up anything of any significance in return.

Not only that, but Republicans — in perhaps the most remarkable example of political up-is-downism in recent memory — cast their willingness to dangle the threat of national crisis as a brave and heroic effort they’d undertaken on behalf of the national interest. Only the threat of national crisis could force the immediate spending cuts supposedly necessary to prevent a far more epic crisis later.

Under the emerging deal, President Obama can hike the debt limit in two stages — the first in exchange for equivalent cuts; the second after a Congressional committee comes up with second round of yet more cuts, including to entitlements. The talks appear close to resolving the spending cut“trigger” that would force the committee to act — without giving the GOP an incentive to deliberately sabotage its work. The remaining question is how to get it through the House. But a deal seems immiment.

Again and again, Dems drew lines in the sand that they promptly erased as the threat of default grew. A clean debt ceiling hike? Dropped. Cuts to Medicare benefits? They’ll likely be in that committee’s crosshairs. The insistence on revenue hikes? Withdrawn.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beohner; debtceiling; debtlimit; default; demslose; victory
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1 posted on 07/31/2011 4:22:00 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

If the WaPo says it, you know the opposite is probably true.


2 posted on 07/31/2011 4:23:33 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Are they swallowing their own BS or do they just serve it up to us?


3 posted on 07/31/2011 4:24:07 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’ve heard this deal described both positively and negatively. It wouldn’t be past the Washington Post to pee on us and say it was raining—saying it’s a great deal for the GOP, when it isn’t. Hoping for the best, but doubtful, based on past history.


4 posted on 07/31/2011 4:24:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: MinorityRepublican

I am not totally sour on this deal, depending on some of the details on this commission and triggers, etc, but at the same time, this is like the 2011 CR deal where suddenly the mainstream media trumpeted the big Republican win. If they are so willing to pronounce that victory, the deal probably stinks.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 4:24:28 PM PDT by ilgipper (political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: MinorityRepublican

6 posted on 07/31/2011 4:24:43 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: MinorityRepublican
"major spending cuts"

Uh, wouldn't those be just minor rate of increase reductions?

7 posted on 07/31/2011 4:25:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican

Base-line budgeting still kicked their butts.


8 posted on 07/31/2011 4:25:16 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: MinorityRepublican

My mouth was agape while reading this article.

I have to think about it

Are they trying to blame the stinker of the deal on the Republicans so that when America finds out what a truly horrible thing it is the Republicans take the heat?


9 posted on 07/31/2011 4:26:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Son House; Paladin2

both you all hit on one of the next targets for TEA: Baseline budgeting.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 4:26:12 PM PDT by Principled
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To: MinorityRepublican
in perhaps the most remarkable example of political up-is-downism in recent memory

Seems to be a lot of that going on nowadays.

11 posted on 07/31/2011 4:26:26 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Tzimisce

You have to realize that from the “inside the beltway” view, it is a huge GOP victory-—but we here in the real world measure things in terms of liberal vs. conservative, and this is at best a wash. The best thing about it is that it all has, despite the efforts of the libtards in the media, made Obama and Reid look like impotent silly little children squabbling over whose cat’s-eye marble it is.


12 posted on 07/31/2011 4:26:35 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Lie.


13 posted on 07/31/2011 4:27:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: edge10

Yup. If the WAPO says on their weather page that it will rain today, I’m bringing my Ray Bans.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:06 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Money paid (involuntarily) to Medicare and SS = a contract with the people (who actually did pay money) and the government.

They better not screw us.

15 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:06 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.. VOTE out the RATS!)
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To: Tzimisce

Are they swallowing their own BS or do they just serve it up to us?

______________________

The latter. They think it is still 1989, and we will believe any mewling little man in a suit.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:15 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Principled
If the House is supposed to be in charge of finances, why have they not gone to Zer0 based budgeting? Make that zero based budgeting.

(Why can't the House fix a light bulb problem?)

17 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican
Statement: "GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory"

Response: Nonsense.

18 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:42 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: MinorityRepublican

BOHICA!


19 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Drop both NEAs and I’ll believe that an actual effort was made. Shut down the UN and the EPA—might make enough of a dent to show sincerity. Now, not over ten years.


20 posted on 07/31/2011 4:29:56 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: MinorityRepublican
More lies from The Compost.
21 posted on 07/31/2011 4:30:28 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Dont care if Reaid or Bohner win or lose.

We must win.

Our Kids must win.

Half of the children born today ( only half of Americans pay taxes ) already are already in debt to the tune of $92,000.00 dollars.
Nancy wants to add $9,000 dollars raising the debt to $101,000 dollars.

This figure does not include the annual taxes owed.

Nancy is puzzled about the fight to raise the debt- “why now, why this president?”

Pelosi is unaware of the current economic climate Americans are faced with.


22 posted on 07/31/2011 4:32:00 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Don’t start counting your chickens just yet !


23 posted on 07/31/2011 4:32:25 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is the biggest lie of the century.


24 posted on 07/31/2011 4:33:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Any spin that favors us is good. People generally remember winners and losers not the minutiae of a deal. In 95/96 the GOP got its head handed to it by the Clinton machine who was able to sell the story of the GOP as dangerous radicals bent on shutting down the government.


25 posted on 07/31/2011 4:34:23 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I remember during the 1992 Gore constantly crapped on Bush for the “largest tax increase in history”. Never mind that Gore voted for it. Of course the press never mentioned that fact.


26 posted on 07/31/2011 4:34:30 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
totalling at least $2.4 trillion.

If it's this much then it takes them out past the 2012 elections... and Barry wins.

All the rest is so much garbage that will become null and void with the next election.

27 posted on 07/31/2011 4:35:46 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
From the Compost?

Then this has to be the biggest loss that the Republican Party has ever snatched from the jaws of victory.

Likely there will be more Whigs than Republicans in November of 2016.

28 posted on 07/31/2011 4:36:12 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“GOP on verge of huge, unprecedented political victory”

Yeah, a tie LOL!

So they told the media to hang it around our necks after getting half of what they wanted, amazing...


29 posted on 07/31/2011 4:36:22 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: edge10
GOP is on the verge of pulling off a political victory that may be unprecedented in American history.

You're never as good as they say you are.

Quoth Joe Paterno

30 posted on 07/31/2011 4:36:54 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
the
PROMISE?
31 posted on 07/31/2011 4:38:09 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: jimbo123

32 posted on 07/31/2011 4:38:55 PM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: RummyChick
I have to think about it.

Are they trying to blame the stinker of the deal on the Republicans so that when America finds out what a truly horrible thing it is the Republicans take the heat?

Yes.

Wait.

See.

33 posted on 07/31/2011 4:39:01 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: jimbo123

Obama rails against millionaire and billionaires. Congress is loaded with these. Let’s start a drive to limit Congressional pay and benefits If anyone !does not need these benefits, it is Pelosi, Feinstein Kerry, and all other 70 and z80 year old senators who are loaded they of all people know they do not need It. No more pay than a janitor gets.


34 posted on 07/31/2011 4:41:19 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (The $800 billion stimulus is now part of the baseline budget. Government destruction at work.)
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To: RummyChick
Are they trying to blame the stinker of the deal on the Republicans so that when America finds out what a truly horrible thing it is the Republicans take the heat?

That is almost exactly what's going on. Just substitute Tea Party for Republicans.

The word has been sent out by the Obama Administration to play up the "Republican victory" and MSM lapdogs are following orders. Part II will come nearer to the election.

35 posted on 07/31/2011 4:42:41 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: RummyChick; All

My mouth was agape while reading this article.

I have to think about it

Are they trying to blame the stinker of the deal on the Republicans so that when America finds out what a truly horrible thing it is the Republicans take the heat?
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yes. your analysis is correct.

the Washington Post, believes conservatives are stupid.

the Post is basically ignoring a gun running scandal, that is worse than Watergate, worse than Iran-contra, worse than Teapot dome!

yet they take time, to tell the world, of the great Republic victory ?!?

if any conservative DOES believe the Post...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2755346/posts


36 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:08 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They are letting the debt lmit be raised passed the election... victory Obama

No real spending cuts... victory left

Debt Commission with power to propose tax hikes (if rejected it can gut defense spending).... victory left

How was this a GOP victory??


37 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Good God! The left will say anything, do anything, to get their money fix. This is too funny. Hell if somebody suggested that the NYT and WaPo shut down in return for the debt limit raise, they might consider it, That is how desperate the left is, pathetic.


38 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:38 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RummyChick

The fiscal mess we are in is a result of 80 years of big government spending starting with FDR in the 1930’s.

We aren’t going to be able to reverse that aircraft carrier in 12 months by simply chanting tea party slogans. This is going to be a three to five year process. Today’s agreement was an important step forward.

The libs are on the run here. They all assumed Obama could waive his magic Clinton wand and get all sorts of new taxes imposed as part of this deal. Instead Obama was made to look even more ineffective.

The next step in this is the 2012 campaign. We need to retake the White House and Senate. Then we can beat the crap out of the McConnell, McCain, RINO wing to implement serious cuts and reform.


39 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:38 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: MinorityRepublican

‘exchange for the promise of major spending cuts’

The word promise of future spending cuts coming from a politician is BS. Throw out most of the incumbents except for a handful.


40 posted on 07/31/2011 4:43:54 PM PDT by doc
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To: Principled

‘both of you hit on one of the next major targets for TEA’...you are so right. I have been banging away at the baseline budgeting shellgame for days, on-line and at home..., so sick of hearing both Republicans and Democrats refer to ‘cuts’ when the whole world needs to know they are only speaking of reductions in the planned rate of growth. Congress needs to zero out each budget line item and use it’s constitutional budget authority during each cycle rather this dishonest scheme that compounds federal spending every few years.


41 posted on 07/31/2011 4:47:37 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: MinorityRepublican
BS. D.C. isn't interested in what is best for the country because D.C. long ago lost the ability to be interested in the individual and individual rights. With that long gone, D.C. is no longer content with raping the adults' wallets of this country; now their flat out going for multi-generational theft.

They should be hung.

42 posted on 07/31/2011 4:47:57 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: MinorityRepublican

Cutting $2.4 Trillion — over 10 years. This year ALONE our deficit is $1.6 Trillion. These “cuts” in spending will actually amount to around a 6% reduction in PLANNED SPENDING INCREASES over the next decades. There are no REAL “cuts” here. Smoke — and mirrors.

There is no enforced cap on what Government can spend relative to national GDP. “Cut, Cap & Balance” capped the Fed. Gov’t at no more than 19.9% of GDP. But this plan puts NO limit of the % of GDP. The Government could literally spend 100% of every dollar in our economy — if the Socialists in charge wanted to.

And the Balanced Budget Amendment they discussed (is it even included in this final version) included no specifics, so it could propose that the budget be balanced by massive tax increases rather than spending cuts. In the CCB, the Balanced Budget Amendment was specifically written to achieve balance by spending cuts.

The WaPo wants this to LOOK like a victory for Republicans — because it achieves the ENDS of the Statists. Ultimately, it serves the purposes of Obama and his followers, and WHEN things go wrong, it provides excuses (the deep cuts demanded by Republicans, etc) to BLAME Republicans — and particularly the Tea Party/Conservatives for the problems.

You think the 22 Heros who stood against the Boehner plan were under pressure before — the wrath of both parties, all of Washington and the entire Mainstream Media will fall on them soon.

Watch closely to see the final vote in the House and Senate on this “ultimate compromise.” We might even lose a few more of the 22. Who knows? But this isn’t the answer. And it only brings closer the collapse that will come.


43 posted on 07/31/2011 4:48:01 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: LS

>> made Obama and Reid look like impotent silly little children

Irrelevant. The GOP was rewarded for accommodating Obama’s 2012 reelection priorities. While also falling short of the TEA Party mandate, the GOP insiders engaged in pointless, arrogant ridicule of TP members.

Abating further decline is not victory.


44 posted on 07/31/2011 4:48:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

`Pyrrhic victory’ Meaning: A victory gained at too great a cost.

The Demoblicans get to raise the deficit ceiling—which was the schwerpunct (`heavy point of attack,’ if you will) of this drama in three parts; they agree on a joint commitment to deficit reductions; and, the GOP sets tax hikes aside, for now.

I wouldn’t trust Reid if he secured this agreement with a mortgage to his house.
The Tea Party got played. The Beltway won, again.


45 posted on 07/31/2011 4:49:55 PM PDT by tumblindice (Whigs>GOP>Free Republic)
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To: editor-surveyor
IF, GOP is getting this kind of credit, I'll take it.

Kicking the can down the road “to 2012” is a GOOD thing. We can't get done what needs to be done without the Senate and White House. So, we take what we can get, FOR NOW. In 2012 we clean house (the white house) and the Senate and pass REAL reforms. We then will have to fight with RINOs. Should be easier than with the current Communists.

46 posted on 07/31/2011 4:51:33 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: jimbo123

Please don’t abuse animals.


47 posted on 07/31/2011 4:53:43 PM PDT by WaldenPond (No Taxation Without Representation)
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To: ilgipper

The GOP is getting “the promise” of cuts. Ha! They’re being played just like the DemoRATS played Reagan when he agreed to a tax increase in return for the “promise” of future cuts - cuts that NEVER happened!


48 posted on 07/31/2011 4:54:30 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: GeronL
debt-direction2
Clearly, you cannot cut government by giving it more ability to borrow and spend.

Obama's gravy train keeps chugging along.

I don't think it is possible for this country to have a more sorry bunch of losers running the show.

 An arrogant Marxist was spending
 Trillions of bucks without comprehending.
 The piss-stream media concurred
 Without saying a negative word
 For the Republic they thought was ending.

Egan-Jones, the only really independent and credible ratings agency, downgraded the U.S. from AAA to AA+.


49 posted on 07/31/2011 4:55:30 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Go ahead and pass it so we can find out what’s in it...


50 posted on 07/31/2011 4:56:11 PM PDT by moovova (Obama rolled up his sleeves...and cut 2 strokes off his golf score.)
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