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How the Tea Party Won the Deal (The media is setting conservatives up folks, DANGER)
Daily Beast via Yahoo News ^ | August 1st | Peter Beinart

Posted on 08/01/2011 7:49:23 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

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On the major points, this article is nothing but lies. There *IS* a left wing movement, the tea party *HAS NOT* won. The fact that there's a deal at all is proof.
1 posted on 08/01/2011 7:49:30 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Where’s the barf alert?


2 posted on 08/01/2011 7:52:44 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The Washington, DC Party and their propagandists in the state media, and their hacks in the new media, even on FreeRepublic, are all spinning, ie lying, at warp speed today. I hope they don’t throw the earth off its axis!


3 posted on 08/01/2011 7:52:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only thing still propping up the GOP is the dwindling illusion that it's at all conservative.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

hahahaha don’t you get it? The economy was recovering before the Tea Party gutted the budget and threw us into a double-dip recession. Wait for it... ;-)


4 posted on 08/01/2011 7:53:22 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“but the Tea Party is now running Washington.”

Ri-iii-ght. The TEA Party would agree to fantasy spending cuts amounting to a week’s Federal spending “sometime over the next ten years”.

So now Obama and his people can force a Cloward-Piven total col;lapse and blame someone else (other than Bush).


5 posted on 08/01/2011 7:53:22 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The democrats are planning on running against the Tea Party Boogeyman in 2012.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the left to run on a positive uplifting message. They need to run against someone.

6 posted on 08/01/2011 7:53:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The fact that liberal Beinart wrote this article is also proof.

There was a similar WaPo piece that also declared the TP the winner.

If the MSM says the Tea Party won, than it probably didn’t.


7 posted on 08/01/2011 7:53:47 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

yep. Just like after the 2011 CR. The media wants to make the people think we won so we become responsible for future downgrades and downturns. Boehner and all need to go on the offensive today and speak to the American people that they moved the ball 2 yard, but have 98 to go. That the economy is weighed down by a massive debt and our credit rating remains in danger because we could only get minimal cooperation from the Democrats who control 2/3 of the process.

No celebrating. This is a minor victory in a skirmish that is the beginning of a long process to rein in an out of control government.


8 posted on 08/01/2011 7:54:44 AM PDT by ilgipper (political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"Bush tax cuts have contributed to the deficit (and how little they’ve spurred economic growth),"

The author lies and lies and lies.

Obama can only dream about 7.7% GDP!


9 posted on 08/01/2011 7:55:08 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Crock of green BS, and those silly a** talking points out of the rinos office is not helping.
10 posted on 08/01/2011 7:56:00 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

You know this stuff has gone way over the edge. The media had influence over the power of the TEA party how ? Please detail.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 7:56:05 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: ilgipper

I doubt it will pass anyway.


12 posted on 08/01/2011 7:56:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Well I am not going to worry that some extreme radical like Beinart, writing on a whacked out site, says that the left has no movement in US politics today. That is delusional and out of touch. This guy is out of his mind as usual.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 7:57:16 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The Washington, DC Party and their propagandists in the state media, and their hacks in the new media, even on FreeRepublic, are all spinning, ie lying, at warp speed today. I hope they don’t throw the earth off its axis!

I see the third party pimps around here are in hysterics today.

14 posted on 08/01/2011 7:57:44 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: skeeter
The democrats are planning on running against the Tea Party Boogeyman in 2012.

Bingo! Give this FReeper a cee-gar!

15 posted on 08/01/2011 7:57:53 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Given how much the Bush tax cuts have contributed to the deficit (and how little they’ve spurred economic growth)...

Is this guy totally stupid? You don't get economic growth under conditions of uncertainty. Make permanent tax and spending cuts, including tax cuts for businesses, and watch what happens. It amazes me that someone with a journalism major is all of a sudden an economics expert.

16 posted on 08/01/2011 7:58:44 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: org.whodat

I see the third party pimps around here are in hysterics today. What’s the matter, see the issue in your latest fund raising letter going up in smoke?


17 posted on 08/01/2011 7:58:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

the dems and their “bipartisan” fool mccain

were both bad-mouthing the tea party.


18 posted on 08/01/2011 7:59:49 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I doubt it will pass anyway.”

I hope you’re right. I would like nothing more than to ruin husseins big 50th bash while conservatives show they really care more about saving this country than belonging to a bunch of elitists congresscritter club who care more about their potential to make millions.


19 posted on 08/01/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I noted articles op-eds in both Washington Post and NY Times, written by the
Center for American Progress (a noted leftie think-tank) complaining about the US debt, generally sounding like Conservatives - and calling for a 3RD PARTY IN 2012.

Splitting the Republican/Conservative vote by with a 3rd party candidate is Obama’s ONLY CHANCE - and the Progressives know it. Expect the MSM to chime in any time on this theme also


20 posted on 08/01/2011 8:00:11 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
this is what American politics looks like when there’s no left-wing movement and no war.

No war? When the hell did that happen?!

Oh, he must mean "no war with a Republican in charge."

Bush warred for oil. Obama wars only for peace. Love bombs and bullets of groovy.

21 posted on 08/01/2011 8:00:31 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: UB355

——————The media had influence over the power of the TEA party how?-—————

Over the tea party? None. We know the media is our enemy and don’t listen to them.

The media has influence over everybody else, including republicans to a degree.

That’s why I said in the headline, that we are being set up.

Because we’re being set up. It’s that simple.

Look at how many responses after post 1 which point out lies. Lies about the bush tax cuts, it’s a lie that the tea party is running the show(with boehner doing all this smoke filled room stuff), in addition to the things I mentioned.


22 posted on 08/01/2011 8:01:26 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: CAluvdubya

Make that a Macanudo please (its early).


23 posted on 08/01/2011 8:01:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: EternalVigilance

The Washington, DC Party and their propagandists in the state media, and their hacks in the new media, even on FreeRepublic, are all spinning, ie lying, at warp speed today.
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agreed. and even a lot of good decent conservatives here,
are lining up to kick that football their holding...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2756719/posts?page=93#93


24 posted on 08/01/2011 8:01:45 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freeangel

I see the FOX headline says “Passage uncertain”.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 8:02:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: skeeter
The democrats are planning on running against the Tea Party Boogeyman in 2012.

I like it.

The Tea Party is saying that $14 trillion is too much debt. Everybody else is arguing about how fast or slow we should add more debt.

If I had to pick a job, I'd want the job of selling the tea party message.

26 posted on 08/01/2011 8:03:02 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MNJohnnie

If you hate “third parties” so much, why are you working so hard to make the Republican Party into one?


27 posted on 08/01/2011 8:04:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only thing still propping up the GOP is the dwindling illusion that it's at all conservative.)
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To: PGR88

Could you link to those two articles in this discussion thread please?

Being as the media is setting us up, we need to concentrate all of the lies together, to make the facts easier to come across.

This media is at war with us, we need to treat it that way. It would be unwise to underestimate them.


28 posted on 08/01/2011 8:06:02 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: rhombus

Spot on!


29 posted on 08/01/2011 8:06:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: cripplecreek

‘FOX headline says “Passage uncertain”.’

Pelosi is on the hook to get enough Dem votes for this to pass. Boehner told Obama up-front he could only get half his caucus to support it.

What makes these articles silly- no Tea Party members are going to vote for it.


30 posted on 08/01/2011 8:08:30 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
this is what American politics looks like when there’s no left-wing movement and no war.

There hasn't been a legitimate 'left wing' movement in over thirty years. It's an illusion kept going by dem war room tactics - fake letters, paid protestors, victim groups on the take... paid trolls to work the internet... That's why liberals can't pull off large demonstrations - not enough money for rent-a-mobs on that scale.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/198-the-essential-rules-of-tyranny

31 posted on 08/01/2011 8:08:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/198-the-essential-rules-of-tyranny)
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This is BS. Freshmen Reps, just say Hell No. Don’t break down due to threats. Let the people know what’s going on with the huge military cuts (after Obama threatened them and put boots on the ground in Libya, Somalia, Yemen), other cuts starting in 2013 (never happen), but in ten years everything grows huge.

Fox had Joe Walsh on; He’s telling the real deal, Hemmer proceeds to quote the WSJ about how glorious it is (never mind Walsh read the bill and is on the floor), he tells him exactly why it sucks vs CCBalance, the financial guy agrees, then as Hemmer tells of the NYTs slamming Obama for being a tool of the right and getting nothing in this plan (a damned lie), he brings for a response on how democrats may vote and act... wait for it... Lynn fricking Sweet from Chicago. Hello? Did I miss something, is she in Congress?

What shills at Fox. Mind you I caught that while turning.

Gohmert said the ten trillion cuts don’t start till 2013. There is no enforcement mechanism. If the OMB is a buddy of the prez, won’t happen. Same crap that always happens, dummies falling for it again. Louie said if you want to get around the cuts, you call it emergency to get around caps, he mentioned the census, even though we knew it was coming (duh)>

People need to call and ask specifics on what it does and when, are the cuts guaranteed (NO), what stops him from spending and why non-essential personnel and all the crap committees, orgs, groups started by Obama since he got in weren’t chopped (don’t even ask about Obamacare and the bill, should’ve been a first cut).

They think we’re all sheep, this guy gave more to unions, ACORN, GE, etc. than he’s chopping the military, and that’s huge. In any other country, it would be inklings of a coup. No accountability anywhere, it’s time to impeach.

BTW, the bill opens the door to higher taxes.

Ask yourself, what DOES the bill do?


32 posted on 08/01/2011 8:11:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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What makes these articles silly- no Tea Party members are going to vote for it.

Right. Even though almost all of them already voted for "cut, cap and balance," which would have raised the debt ceiling by $2.4 TRILLION.

So, they'll ALL have their trillions to spend, they'll all have their political cover, just exactly like they've been working towards since the first day the Tea Party freshmen hit the Hill.

33 posted on 08/01/2011 8:13:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only thing still propping up the GOP is the dwindling illusion that it's at all conservative.)
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To: dead
It does seem to have to potential to backfire on them. We'll see.

Remember there is a very large constituency feeding at the federal trough these days.

34 posted on 08/01/2011 8:15:07 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: EternalVigilance

At last someone ‘gets it’!

This is a huge hardball-type political win by the Tea Party even though they only got a little bit of good done in the bill (and at least they got some good in it).


35 posted on 08/01/2011 8:17:15 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: skeeter

Bingo, Skeeter! Orwell saw this in the left when he wrote “1984”, there had to be Emmanuel Goldstein for things to work.

In the last election the dems ran against the Bush Monster, who was responsible for simply everything that was wrong (even though he wasn’t running).

This time it will be the TEA party that will be responsible for everything going south, and most dem campaigns will be based on that, plus Hope and Unspecified Radical Change.


36 posted on 08/01/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

How better to demonize the Tea Party, than to credit them with a victory?

That the ‘victory’ is debateable, delinquent, incomplete and bears no direct resemblance to actual Tea Party demands is beside the point, if you are an MSM ‘journalist’.

For them, it is enough to make this kind of a spurious association and the idiot Liberal viewers will take it for gospel.


37 posted on 08/01/2011 8:21:54 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: mrsmith

I really don’t think you understood me. I was not saying this was a good thing.

Real Tea Party folks have been utterly betrayed, even by those who are called “Tea Party” politicians.


38 posted on 08/01/2011 8:23:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only thing still propping up the GOP is the dwindling illusion that it's at all conservative.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Here are 2 recent articles / op-eds from NY Times and WaPo, calling for 3rd parties in 2012. If you scratch the surface a little, you will see these advocates are squarely in the leftist-Democrat camp. They are clearly going after independents and so-called "angry" conservatives to split the vote in 2012.

This a link to NY Times

Note that "Americans Elect" already has their website and organization ready, without even having any names, faces, or ideology.

This is a link to Washington Post

39 posted on 08/01/2011 8:24:37 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: GOPJ

How did you miss Van Jones?
How did you miss SEIU beating up on Kenneth Gladney?
How did you miss Stephen Lerner’s proposed plan to create another banking crisis?
How did you miss the american progressives helping create a revolution in Egypt?
How did you miss all the work that’s gone into Agenda 21 over the past year?

*****HOW! Did you miss the election of Barack Obama?

How did you miss all of that? I’d bet others could come up with a dozen more things.

Just because they can’t pull off a big protest doesn’t mean there isn’t a left wing movement. There is one, and it’s highly successful.

I do agree with you about the essential rules of liberty. Every time Obama speaks, tyranny comes out of his mouth.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 8:25:26 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I never bought into the whole Tea Party thing....


41 posted on 08/01/2011 8:25:43 AM PDT by yield 2 the right ( Space blank until I come up with a nice Tagline.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Donald Trump: “I wouldn’t vote for this “deal”. Trump’s Winners, Losers from Debt Debacle - 8-1-2011 on Fox & Friends
VIDEO: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends/index.html#


42 posted on 08/01/2011 8:31:13 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Re-Focus: TEA means the "Taxed Enough Already" Grass-Roots Movement)
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To: EternalVigilance

I was afraid you might have meant it that way.

My view is that they won something here- though not much.
The bill would have been even worse without them, heck the debt limit would have been raised automatically!
No deal, no debate, business as usual...

I don’t know what more they could have done with their numbers. Even a blank-check ‘clean’ debt ceiling raise could have been passed despite them.

That they’ve come out so well positioned politically, and their enemies not-so-well, is only a bad thing if they lose their message.


43 posted on 08/01/2011 8:35:43 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

When the bubble bursts and it will inevitably, the blame will be dumped on “the Tea Party.”

Anyone who claims to be “Tea Party” better stay away from the phony deal.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 8:40:46 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I’m really tired of the Left saying conservatives won. Bull. We lost.

There have been several conservative solutions offered, the Rand Paul Budget, the RSC Budget, the one percent solution, etc., etc. Even the Ryan Budget (which didn’t end deficit spending for 25 years) could be called a conservative budget.

If we were to compromise, it should have been on the basis of how long it would take to get a balanced budget, i.e. 1, 5 or 25 years and the amount of front loading. This comprise ensures that even after ten years, we will still be running a massive deficit and go right into economic collapse under the weight of increasing interest payments.


45 posted on 08/01/2011 8:44:53 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: PGR88

The WaPo article was written by:

-————Matt Miller is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress-—————

That’s the SOROS FUNDED Center for American Progress. So what’s in it for Friedman and Soros to pimp this ‘americans elect’ group?

This is how the left makes it’s advances. It’s the media. They don’t need to have a big movement on the ground. They have the journalists.


46 posted on 08/01/2011 8:46:08 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Gay as a goose and gap-toothed, too. What a combination.


47 posted on 08/01/2011 8:46:14 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

And look at the bio of Khalil Byrd, CEO of “America Elect”

Former Deval Patrick campaign manager, public TV promoter, Council on Foreign Relations, etc... Talk about “astroturf!”


48 posted on 08/01/2011 8:50:29 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

There’s a left wing elitist movement - well funded. Very well funded... Every third world hellhole is run by a small cadre of elitists... you must know that right? And they all use the same basic tactics. Same with democrats. The letters of support they get are written for the most part in dem war rooms - using language taken off the internet so the letters sound more authentic. I suspect Free Republic is use for this purpose...

Most dem victim groups ( the people who vote for them ) are being paid - either with welfare checks, disability checks, ‘community’ outreach programs, fake ‘jobs’ bull etc. The only dem supporters not on the direct take are the elites and union workers. And I can make a case for union worker elites being on the take...

Ask yourself - WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A LARGE LIBERAL DEMONSTRATION? They have some small ones - but there are always buses parked somewhere - as their people are bussed in with free lunches, instructions NOT to talk to the press, and some walkin’ around money in their pockets. Dems even advertise for their ‘protestors’ - looking for college student types.

If dems had a demonstration without paying people, or busing them in, or twisting the arms of union guys who are owned - no one would show up. They have almost no support.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/198-the-essential-rules-of-tyranny


49 posted on 08/01/2011 8:54:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/198-the-essential-rules-of-tyranny)
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To: mrsmith

When this debt deal runs out in two years, our privately held national debt will be 9.4+2.5= $11.9T. Assuming there is 2% GDP growth between now and then, our Debt to GDP ratio will be 11.9/14.8= 80%. Economies start to permanently fail when it goes over 90%. If we have a recession (likely) or Obama is reelected (unlikely), with this plan, our economy will start a death spiral.

I appreciate the note of optimism but I don’t think moral victories are enough.


50 posted on 08/01/2011 8:54:56 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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