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Cloward-Piven Paradise Now? (Good commentary)
American Thinker ^ | August 1, 2011 | Jeannie DeAngelis

Posted on 08/01/2011 10:44:05 AM PDT by jazusamo

Combine class warfare, demonizing the rich, getting as many people onto the welfare rolls as possible, and pushing the economic system to collapse and you have a flawless formula for Cloward-Piven 2.0 -- and a vehicle that ensures Obama remains in power.

Cloward-Piven is a much talked-about strategy proposed in the mid-1960's by two Columbia University sociology professors named Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The Cloward-Piven approach was sometimes referred to as the "crisis strategy," which they believed were a means to "end poverty."

The premise of the Cloward-Piven collective/anti-capitalist gospel decried "individual mobility and achievement," celebrated organized labor, fostered the principle that "if each finally found himself in the same relative economic relationship to his fellows ... all were infinitely better off."

The duo taught that if you flooded the welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation, it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an out-of-control set of circumstances.

The idea was that if people were starving and the only way to eat was to accept government cheese, rather than starve, the masses would agree to what they would otherwise reject. In essence, for the socialist-minded, the Cloward-Piven strategy is a simple formula that makes perfect sense; the radical husband-and-wife team had Saul Alinsky as their muse, and they went on to teach his social action principles to a cadre of socialist-leaning community organizers, one of whom was Barack Obama.

As the debt crisis continues to worsen, President Obama stands idly by an inferno with his arms crossed, shaking his head, and doing nothing other than kinking the fire hose and closing the spigot...

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1 posted on 08/01/2011 10:44:10 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

More like apocalypse now


2 posted on 08/01/2011 10:48:16 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: jazusamo

“The idea was that if people were starving and the only way to eat was to accept government cheese, rather than starve, the masses would agree to what they would otherwise reject.”

One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

I.e. if everyone is forced onto the dole, then there are no farmers left to produce the milk and/or to make the cheese. F’n Idealistic short-sighted morons........


3 posted on 08/01/2011 10:50:16 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: jazusamo
We will try civil disobedience first.

WHEN that doesn't work........you guess.

4 posted on 08/01/2011 10:50:59 AM PDT by PALIN SMITH
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To: jazusamo

I don’t see how one could say this is not working very much as planned.


5 posted on 08/01/2011 10:52:07 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both sides need to put aside the partisan bickering, & work out how much free stuff I get)
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To: therightliveswithus

Like all Marxist strategies, the brilliant minds of academia once again forgot the critical piece.

“OK, you caught the car, now what?”


6 posted on 08/01/2011 10:52:07 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: roaddog727

Why...on government-run farms of course. Collectives.


7 posted on 08/01/2011 10:54:05 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both sides need to put aside the partisan bickering, & work out how much free stuff I get)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

It’s working so well (for now) it’s scary.


8 posted on 08/01/2011 10:55:04 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
The duo taught that if you flooded the welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation, it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an out-of-control set of circumstances.

That's a gamble as risky as the bet by a handful of hotheaded southern states that secession would result in, at worst, a short war which most of the nation did not have the stomach to fight.

9 posted on 08/01/2011 10:55:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jazusamo

Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

10 posted on 08/01/2011 10:55:40 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Sorry - I can’t work - I’m on the dole.


11 posted on 08/01/2011 10:56:05 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: jazusamo
HAS ANYBODY SEEN THIS???


US DAY OF RAGE, SEPTEMBER 17

12 posted on 08/01/2011 10:56:50 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Bill Maher said that people don’t have an accurate view of socialism. He said that people have these ideas that everyone is on a collective farm, and that this is inaccurate. He said that socialism is simply another political party or political movement in Europe, and that people still have all their freedoms.

Not saying I agree with Bill Maher, just that as a prominent liberal Hollywood idiot type, that’s what he tells his viewers.


13 posted on 08/01/2011 10:59:01 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: jazusamo
See tag line.
14 posted on 08/01/2011 11:01:32 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: jazusamo
I hope they continue. I don't want there to be any doubts when they are kneeling on the edge of a ditch with a gun barrel at their heads.

This can't last.

15 posted on 08/01/2011 11:04:24 AM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: jazusamo
Could it be that Barack Obama is purposely pressuring the system in a premeditated effort to foster a major crisis? One that would demand extraordinary measures to control by a President

I do think Obama sees himself more as Lincoln than as FDR.

Eliminating the wage slavery of capitalism could justify, in his mind, the same type of conflict that justified the end of chattel slavery in the mind of Lincoln.

16 posted on 08/01/2011 11:07:26 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: jazusamo

We are at a point where the number of people that work for a living are outnumbered by the number of people that vote for a living.


17 posted on 08/01/2011 11:08:28 AM PDT by DKM
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To: jazusamo
The very subject denominated "Sociology," in America, has been a preserve--and launch pad--for those who embrace Jacobin, Marxist, Bolshevik & Fabian pursuits of a Totalitarian leveling of humanity. While the two crack-brained individuals, named here, may have systematized the assault on truth & nature, the underlying assault has been much broader.

It is multi-sourced, appealing to both compulsion driven neurotics seeking uniformity of the human condition, and to demagogues like Robespierre, Marx, Lenin, Hitler & Obama, who see the Egalitarian compulsion & the play on the basest of human emotions, as a key to the aggrandizement of self--a key to the ability to strut as the "Leader."

I have, today, posted as the August feature at the Truth Based Logic Domain, Egalitarian Collectivism Sabotages The Human Potential.

Having challenged these malevolent poseurs ever since my own school days, it is my experience, that they are the ultimate pseudo-intellectual bullies. They mislead & intimidate trusting undergraduates, but never debate those who actually understand what is involved. My prayer is that America will yet wake up to the fact that no one--absolutely no one, but demagogues & scoundrels--actually benefits from what has been going on.

William Flax

18 posted on 08/01/2011 11:08:28 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: MestaMachine

We’ve had em before.

Every time Al Sharpton wakes up in a grumpy mood he tries to gather a crowd and calls it a “day of rage.”


19 posted on 08/01/2011 11:09:39 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: roaddog727

Mao did the same and starved tens of millions of his adoring subjects.

His picture still hangs over the Forbidden City across from Tianmen Square and the Chinese think he’s some kind of God.


20 posted on 08/01/2011 11:10:17 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: jazusamo
In a widespread anarchy/collapse of civil society situation, would the law enforcement and military personnel fire on the citizenry? Obama is making great strides in remaking America, but has he gotten that far?
21 posted on 08/01/2011 11:11:25 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: jazusamo

Even Jeff Immelt can see what’s coming. His company, General Electric, just pulled an Ayn Rand “Shrug”, and is moving another division(including the profits/taxes and jobs)offshore.


22 posted on 08/01/2011 11:12:20 AM PDT by radioone (Capitalism does More with Less, Government does Less with MORE...)
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To: MestaMachine

Nice touch, the reference to Alexander Hamilton, godfather of the American mercantilist state!


23 posted on 08/01/2011 11:13:02 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: DKM

Well said, and I believe you’re correct.


24 posted on 08/01/2011 11:13:52 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MestaMachine

Seems like a ‘Lulsec’ and ‘Anon’ affair. Ugh! Isn’t there supposed to be a similar ‘Day of Rage’ against Israel about this time? If it is....it’s probably to coincide.


25 posted on 08/01/2011 11:14:06 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: jazusamo

It doesn’t look like many of us will ever be truly happy again, not in this life.

Obama, his democrats, the RINOs, the gutless republicans, Obama voters, Obama owned media, the traitor libs and many other power hungry greedy bastards have ruined this country.

The pain, anguish, insecurity, hate and most of the other negatives we are experiencing today....... NEVER had to happen.

BUT.......... it is, what it is.

So, will tens of millions of patriots rise from the ashes and fight for our country? I don’t think so anymore.

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

—President Reagan was right and we are living those ~days of regret~ that he so clearly warned us about.


26 posted on 08/01/2011 11:15:14 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Bill Maher said that people don’t have an accurate view of socialism. He said that people have these ideas that everyone is on a collective farm, and that this is inaccurate. He said that socialism is simply another political party or political movement in Europe, and that people still have all their freedoms.

That pathetic clown should be pressed to define "freedom." Few at this venue would accept what he came up with.

Socialism in Europe destroys the upward mobility of the middle-class, by confiscating so high a percentage of their earnings, that they are locked in place--totally stultified. Sweden has been the classic example since the early 1930s. The Swedes did not totally self-destruct as did the Marxists (Bolsheviks) in Russia who killed off their most talented farmers; or as the major customer & ally of Swedens' Socialist Government, south of the Baltic; but in freezing the productive in place, they put a ceiling on any long-term progress.

Of course, the Bill Mahers do not understand dynamic human interaction. He is probably just mouthing things some hapless Academic told him years ago.

William Flax

27 posted on 08/01/2011 11:19:20 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: roaddog727
One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

Like that stupid song by 10 Years After. Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more.

You idiots. What're you going to do then? Who's going to feed the original poor, and the newly poor once the rich are gone?

28 posted on 08/01/2011 11:19:57 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Truth29

Great point and I think not. When push comes to shove Zer0 will have a rude awakening.


29 posted on 08/01/2011 11:20:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Isn't this pretty much what 99% of FReepers have been saying all along?

Sounds darn familiar to me.

30 posted on 08/01/2011 11:21:50 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (White Hetero Able Male (WHAM) a.k.a. NOT Holder's people)
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To: jazusamo

I think it’s more prosaic than that. It’s an enlarged version of an old Mafia tactic — just the biggest ‘organized-crime bust-out’ (Google that) in history.


31 posted on 08/01/2011 11:22:16 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: radioone

Yep, Immelt on the one hand is Zer0’s job Czar but his former company moves a division to China and Zer0 seems to go along.


32 posted on 08/01/2011 11:23:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: roaddog727
One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

It was never the intention of these will-to-power driven mass murderers to provide the 'cheese' in the first place. People need to understand that those who currently occupy the White House are eliminationists - IOW, they wish to reduce the worlds population by 80% or more and to reduce the survivors to slavery - or worse.

Now if that seems a little tinfoil-hattish to some of you, then you're in for an unpleasant surprise. Because some of these wanna-be demociders in the White House have said as much in their papers, publication and university theses. It's a sick parade of monstrous ideas ranging from the introduction of sterilants into our food and water supplies to forced abortions (Eric Holdren, 0Bama's 'science 'czar'); from the philosophy of human control as advocated by 0bama 'regulatory' czar Cass Sunstein (nudge, shove, and ultimately - shoot) to the open call for population reduction via mass murder by 0bama security advisor Audrey Thompson (whose person and thesis advocating such methods now cannot be found). Some of them openly admire some of history's worst mass murderers and take their inspiration from them.

“As history has shown, and especially in the twentieth century, one of the first things an ideologue will do after achieving absolute power is kill.”
-- Thomas Sowell, The Quest for Cosmic Justice

33 posted on 08/01/2011 11:23:32 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Ohioan

You see so many children in Western Europe that cannot leave
their parents homes,marry and have children because of high
taxes.


34 posted on 08/01/2011 11:26:25 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Aevery_Freeman
Isn't this pretty much what 99% of FReepers have been saying all along?

Absolutely, and this writer knows it.

35 posted on 08/01/2011 11:28:41 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: roaddog727

“One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

I.e. if everyone is forced onto the dole, then there are no farmers left to produce the milk and/or to make the cheese. F’n Idealistic short-sighted morons........”

You must not be familiar with Obozo’s new program to HELP the farmers. One of the new regulations he expects to enact will require anybody who operates farm equipment to have a CDL rated driver’s license. That will help to unionize farm workers. No telling what other great new farm regulations are in store to HELP the farmers.


36 posted on 08/01/2011 11:35:11 AM PDT by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Ohioan

You are a thoughtful and observant man, Mr Flax. The will to power is the curse of our modern age. Mass murder and eliminationism have continued somewhere, everywhere unabated for the last 150 years or so. We here in America are not immune from any of this.

Egalitarianism, collectivism and all of the other ‘isms’ are merely the pretext for the acquisition and retention of absolute power. Whatevcer they choose to call it, it’s nothing more than the excuse for the imposition of a murderous totalitarinism.


37 posted on 08/01/2011 11:36:06 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: roaddog727

“One critical aspect these clowns forgot tto take into account: WHO makes the cheese?

I.e. if everyone is forced onto the dole, then there are no farmers left to produce the milk and/or to make the cheese. F’n Idealistic short-sighted morons........”

You must not be familiar with Obozo’s new program to HELP the farmers. One of the new regulations he expects to enact will require anybody who operates farm equipment to have a CDL rated driver’s license. That will help to unionize farm workers. No telling what other great new farm regulations are in store to HELP the farmers.


38 posted on 08/01/2011 11:36:59 AM PDT by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Noumenon
"Egalitarianism, collectivism and all of the other ‘isms’ are merely the pretext for the acquisition and retention of absolute power."

From the demagogue's perspective, you are probably correct. But what the demagogue plays on are the basest human emotions. And in understanding this, you need to consider the compulsive pursuit of uniformity--the neurotic need to deny all the important qualities that make each of us unique. (For example, see Compulsion For Uniformity; or my new feature, today: Egalitarian Collectivism Sabotages Human Potential.)

It is that neurotic compulsion that provides Lenin's "Useful Idiots" & Keynes "Fools."

William Flax

39 posted on 08/01/2011 11:51:21 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: jazusamo

Just like the colonists who opposed King George III, (and with MUCH MORE at stake) Americans need to show some ‘solidarity’.

Maybe, all the electricians, bus drivers, engineers, nurses, carpenters, phone co. workers, power plant workers, dock workers, cab drivers, managers, clerks, mail men... etc. can get the blue flu on the same day and stay ‘sick’ until the “prez” gets the point.


40 posted on 08/01/2011 11:59:20 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: Noumenon

Yet another great post from you, Noumenon! I agree completely!

CA....


41 posted on 08/01/2011 12:01:28 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: SMARTY

Get the point? Huh???

This guy and his minions have, since January 20, 2009, completely ignored us, the American people. Even in the face of an election rebuff he himself termed as a “shellacking”.

You think at this point in time he is going to “get the point”?

I don’t think so, and neither do very many other people here.

CA....


42 posted on 08/01/2011 12:07:46 PM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: jazusamo

It’s hard to feel sorry for “the rich”.

They pretty much support Obama and his liberal horde.


43 posted on 08/01/2011 12:08:20 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: roaddog727

>> “if everyone is forced onto the dole, then there are no farmers left to produce the milk and/or to make the cheese.” <<

.
Soviet Policy 101

(didn’t work)

The lazy have, from the infinite past, and into the infinite future, imagined producers to be born to produce, thus lacking a need for motivation. It must be something in the water.


44 posted on 08/01/2011 12:19:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Tzimisce

>> It’s hard to feel sorry for “the rich”. <<

.
You apparently have failed to come to grips with the fact that by the left’s definition, YOU are the “rich.”


45 posted on 08/01/2011 12:26:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: jazusamo
To those of us who have been arguing this same thesis for years here on Free Republic, this article comes as a welcome confirmation to our theory.

We have connected the dots running from The Frankfurt School through Cloward and Piven to Saul Alinsky and to his posthumous acolyte, Barak Obama. We have argued from the beginning that Barack Obama is an ideologue and it misconceives our adversary to dismiss him as an incompetent. If our thesis is correct it misdirects our efforts to tell the electorate that they should not believe the evidence of their own eyes. The fact of the matter is that Obama makes a very presidential appearance and, if necessary, he can perform more than adequately without teleprompters.

The condition of the country is the results of his ideology not his incompetence.

More importantly, this characterization of the man, even if arrived at belatedly properly appraises us of the nature of our enemy and forces us to face the hard reality that there can never be any decent accommodation of any sort with him. He must he be defeated and his ideology must be destroyed. If not, he and his ideology will destroy us.

If our Republican paladins in the house had had a better understanding of the man, perhaps they would have negotiated differently. Perhaps they will pay attention to the American Thinker as they did not give heed to our warnings.


46 posted on 08/01/2011 12:43:16 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent post, thank you.


47 posted on 08/01/2011 12:56:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Ohioan
And in understanding this, you need to consider the compulsive pursuit of uniformity--the neurotic need to deny all the important qualities that make each of us unique.

Yes, indeed. You've touched upon something very important here. In the course of working on my book, I've identified what may be called the corollary of the will to power: the desire to submit.

"He [Albert Camus] had noticed a modern impulse to rebel, which had come out of the French Revolution and the nineteenth century and had very quickly, in the name of an ideal, mutated into a cult of death. And the ideal was always the same, though each movement gave it a different name. It was not skepticism and doubt. It was the ideal of submission."
Paul Berman - Terror and Liberalism p46

Breathtaking, isn't it? Eric Hoffer, noted American philosopher, grants us another perspective – what I have come to call the tyranny of the weak:

"It has often been said that power corrupts. But it is perhaps equally important to realize that weakness, too, corrupts. Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many. Hatred, malice, rudeness, intolerance, and suspicion are the faults of weakness. The resentment of the weak does not spring from any injustice done to them but from their sense of inadequacy and impotence. We cannot win the weak by sharing our wealth with them. They feel our generosity as oppression."

The weak and the power-driven are co-dependants in a horribly addictive scheme whose outcome is worse than war - wholesale slaughter, committed with energy and enthusiasm, and the imposition of cruelty, misery and slavery upon the survivors.

Again, thanks for youur insights and your clarity.

48 posted on 08/01/2011 1:24:38 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Truth29

Ever hear of Kent State?


49 posted on 08/01/2011 1:33:42 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Truth29
would the law enforcement and military personnel fire on the citizenry?

Are you kidding? they already do.

50 posted on 08/01/2011 1:43:44 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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