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1 posted on 08/02/2011 1:01:42 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I always wondered how those big cop-union pensions could be... dare I say it... sustainable.

Turns out they aren't.

2 posted on 08/02/2011 1:04:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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Police and Firefighters Asked to Accept 50% Pension Haircuts

Given a choice between half and none, I'd opt for half.

3 posted on 08/02/2011 1:06:52 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Simplistic answers to complex problems never work and are only proposed by simple people.)
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To: Kaslin

To break zero, break the unions first.


4 posted on 08/02/2011 1:07:27 PM PDT by immadashell
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An attorney involved with the fight over the lack of funds presented the union pension types with a plan. They could vote to cut their pensions in half and enable them to keep getting something or they could vote no to the offer. So, their choices were:

A: A haircut.

B: A beheading.

The union folks voted for B...so be it.

5 posted on 08/02/2011 1:18:33 PM PDT by JPG (Yes she can!)
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Tip of the iceberg...


6 posted on 08/02/2011 1:28:57 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Let this be a warning to all Municipal workers!


7 posted on 08/02/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Kaslin

In my suburban town, on our street is a retired Contra Costa County Sheriff, retired San Francisco cop, four active Alameda & Contra Costa firemen, two retired firemen, a retired Oakland cop and a disabled city employee.

Someone works for the Water Dept. and someone else works for a defense contractor (DOD civilian employee).

All have new cars
Remodeled homes
Pools, hot tubs
Almost all have boats
All have campers, RV’s and/or fifth-wheel type rigs

90% of highest year’s pay + COLA + lifetime Kaiser Permanente for $1.99/person per year.

I will give you an example of a California State worker (a relative) who worked at a Cal-State campus for 5 years...this is how the pension works:

She worked there 5 years, putting in $200/month or $2,400/annually; CalPERS matches that with $2,400 (100% match), so she puts in $12,000 over 5 years and the State of CA puts in $12,000 ($24,000 total) Including returns on investments, call the balance $28,000 ($27,849 at at 5% return, year-over-year).

She quit the first day she could quit and receive a pension, literally month 61.

She collects $550.00 per month and has for the last 5 years, it has increased via COLA up from $500/month, typically a $10/monthly increase per year.

So, assume the average is $525 a month x 60 months or $31,500, she has already exhausted what she “put in” including the State’s 100% match of what she contributed, which was also, taxpayer money.

Her health insurance would be $750/month now, which is not included, so, assuming health insurance being $650/month on average for 5 years, the payout for free State-covered Kaiser would have been $39,000 over the past 5 years, she paid $10 for her healthcare, with no (0) deductable, if she stays in network (HMO).

She made $60K her last year, so the pay was probably 10-20% over-market for her position, while she worked for Cal State.

Let’s review...$12,000 in deducted pay for 5 years = $70,500 in cash and healthcare benefits. Not to mention the regular salary she earned while working.

Can anyone see why the nation is completely broke?


10 posted on 08/02/2011 2:15:51 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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Coming soon to a California city near you. (Probably not for the state itself, though: States, unlike municipalities, are not eligible to be debtors under US bankruptcy code.)


12 posted on 08/02/2011 2:36:28 PM PDT by pogo101
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