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Prosecution close to resting case against Jeffs
AP via Yahoo ^ | August 3, 2011 | WILL WEISSERT

Posted on 08/03/2011 9:46:46 AM PDT by MizSterious

Prosecution close to resting case against Jeffs

AP By WILL WEISSERT - Associated Press

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — Prosecutors are still questioning their final witness in the Texas trial of a polygamist leader accused of sexually assaulting two girls he took as brides during so-called spiritual marriages.

Texas Ranger Nick Hanna was on the stand for a second day Wednesday, and prosecutors were close to resting their case against Warren Jeffs.

The 55-year-old leads the Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; mormons; rape; warrenjeffs
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I'll be curious to see what the defense does. So far, I've noticed that Jeffs isn't saying he innocent because he never did these things--he freely admits that he did. No, he says he's innocent because he has the right to do them.
1 posted on 08/03/2011 9:46:48 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...

Warren Jeffs trial ping—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!


2 posted on 08/03/2011 9:51:09 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Bring ‘em young.


3 posted on 08/03/2011 9:55:40 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: MizSterious

Today, the prosecution plays the recording of Jeffs having sex with a 12 year old. You can hear the voices of women in the background.

What a perv. And those sister-wives are nothing but sicko pimps...they should be locked up as well.


4 posted on 08/03/2011 9:58:37 AM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: MizSterious

Jeffs is going to say that he is not a threat to anyone.
He just wants to answer the call of God to practice his “perfect” religion.

Then the jury is going to give him 65 years in the pen.


5 posted on 08/03/2011 9:59:14 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

This tool would be much cheaper and more effective than 65 years in the pen.

6 posted on 08/03/2011 10:10:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
This tool would be much cheaper and more effective than 65 years in the pen.

Don't forget the blowtorch.

7 posted on 08/03/2011 10:10:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MizSterious

With the tapes and dna, Jeffs defense of actual charges is hopeless.

I think he’s only left with trying to convince that he’s a prophet not a pervert.


8 posted on 08/03/2011 10:11:10 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: bimboeruption

What a perv. And those sister-wives are nothing but sicko pimps...they should be locked up as well.

I agree. But in the same light, I also wonder why no real inspection could have been given when this almost-isolated culture in Texas was becoming a pedophile culture?

As for marriage, is probably about time we start figuring out how to put forth plenty of relationships in the light they should be in, not just the polygamist cults, but also just the whole mistress culture that seems to be around, and all these things that are polygamy except for the lack of marriage license, I personally think they’re all problematic, and personally think that our laws are a little messed up for not treating some person with mistresses the same as a polygamist. I detest polygamy, but when we’re only hitting the tip of the iceberg, there’s a serious problem.


9 posted on 08/03/2011 10:13:04 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: MizSterious

If our country embraces gay “marriage”, Jeffs has is fully within his rights to say that his “marriages” were legitimate.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 10:13:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: San Jacinto

All I can say is that while he is here on earth he will abide by the law and when GOD calls his name GOD will give his just reward.


11 posted on 08/03/2011 10:14:15 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: San Jacinto

All I can say is that while he is here on earth he will abide by the law and when GOD calls his name GOD will give him his just reward.


12 posted on 08/03/2011 10:14:38 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Vigilanteman

Well, it reminds me of the farm. Once the male animal is good, the females get mad, once fixed, the females reject him as useless.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 10:15:05 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: MrB
Man, that's a scary thought. But I don't see how you could legally argue against it. We've been defining deviancy down for so long.

That's why the tool I proposed in post #7 might be the most effective thing to use. Extrajudicial in the dead of night.

14 posted on 08/03/2011 10:18:59 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MizSterious

I’m expecting the ‘defense’ to be another sermon about how they are violating his religious freedom and a ‘revelation’ to come back not guilty.


15 posted on 08/03/2011 10:20:19 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Morpheus2009; Pebcak; reaganaut

Actually, that “culture” did not “develop” in Texas at all. They sneaked into the state like thieves in the night, telling the officials that this property was going to be used as a hunting lodge (didn’t state that the prey would be human children). They were very quiet at first, and then one day a game warden uncovered the truth when he was investigating hunting violations.

Don’t blame Texas for this one. Once they learned the truth, and once a complaint had been made (via a cell phone) of underage molestation, all you know what broke loose, and there was Oprah defending these pervs amidst the media circus that ensued. Even on FR, there were divisions, as some (inexplicably) actually defended “their way of life.”


16 posted on 08/03/2011 10:26:32 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MrB

Not with minors.


17 posted on 08/03/2011 10:27:16 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Bring ‘em young.

- - — -
And Bring ‘em often.


18 posted on 08/03/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Unfortunately ytpu cant argue against “freedom of religion”

Under that Amendment he could go all the way to the Supreme Court..

Same sex marriage is already law in at least NY state so he has a case for marriages outside the norm of one man one woman...


19 posted on 08/03/2011 10:29:45 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bimboeruption

One former FLDS member said the little girl’s mother helped hold her down.


20 posted on 08/03/2011 10:33:08 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Polygamy is not being argued in this case, though. It’s about sexual abuse of children. That is NOT freedom of religion. If “Freedom of Religion” is going to give freedom to do whatever you want in the name of some kind of religion, then what’s to stop someone from forming, let’s say, The First Church of the Holy Bank Robber, where one of the holy sacraments is robbing banks? (All bow down to the great god, Ralph the Cabbage, who rewards you with lots of “green.”)


21 posted on 08/03/2011 10:33:08 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Terry Mross

How sad. How sick. I say bring the female pimps to stand trial, along with the men.


22 posted on 08/03/2011 10:34:08 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Morpheus2009; bimboeruption; MizSterious; All

But in the same light, I also wonder why no real inspection could have been given when this almost-isolated culture in Texas was becoming a pedophile culture?

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Don’t blame Texas for this. This isn’t isolated at all. This behavior goes on in ALL polygamous groups and started with the Mormon founder and prophet Joseph Smith in Kirtland, Ohio in 1836.

This is a huge part of Mormon history and of Utah history. Before moving to Texas, this same man did the same kinds of things in Utah and Arizona. Utah LEOs tend to turn a blind eye to polygamy.

This is not ‘isolated’ at all. There are polygamous groups who do the same thing in many western states and Canada.


23 posted on 08/03/2011 10:35:35 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MrB

You think a ‘marriage’ to a 12 yr old is legit?!?!


24 posted on 08/03/2011 10:36:44 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

Again, by concentrating on Jeffs and the “F” LDS we’re giving the LDS a pass. Think about this. If Jeffs is a sick, twisted pervert, so was the founder of this “religion” and at least every “prophet” until 1890.


25 posted on 08/03/2011 10:50:22 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Terry Mross

What do you mean “we”? I think what is happening is that the entire group, with or without the “f,” is being examined thanks to this trial. Had they made it a trial about polygamy, this wouldn’t be happening. Texas instead focused on one of the worst of their crimes: raping little girls. People are taking a second look at the writings of the church founders and recoiling in horror. The “I am Mormon” ad campaign will not help in this instance.


26 posted on 08/03/2011 10:58:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Let me rephrase that. If “we” concentrate on Jeffs and the FLDS only....

I hope you’re right but all I’ve seen is the press looking at the F.....LDS and the pervert Jeffs.


27 posted on 08/03/2011 11:05:16 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: MizSterious

I do like what you said ....the worst of THEIR crimes: raping little girls.


28 posted on 08/03/2011 11:07:56 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: MizSterious

The First Church of the Holy Bank Robber
_____________________________________________

That one has been done

Joey Smith started his own bank in Kirkland OH because of a “revelation” The mormon god was into get rich quick schemes

Joey Smith printed $3 bills and had a bank scam going

He was convicted and fined $1000 only he wasnt available to pay

He had already skipped town as usual..

:)

“Warren Parrish, who had been an officer in the bank and had apostatized from the Church, made this statement: “I have listened to him [i.e. Smith] with feelings of no ordinary kind, when he declared that the AUDIBLE VOICE OF GOD, INSTRUCTED HIM TO ESTABLISH A BANKING-ANTI BANKING INSTITUTION, who like Aaron’s rod SHALL SWALLOW UP ALL OTHER BANKS (the Bank of Monroe excepted,) and grow and flourish and spread from the rivers to the ends of the earth, and survive when all others should be laid in ruins.” (Painesville Republican, February 22, 1838, as quoted in Conflict at Kirtland, page 297)

Wilford Woodruff, who remained true to the Church and became the fourth President, confirmed the fact that Joseph Smith claimed to have a revelation concerning the bank. Under the date of January 6, 1837, he recorded the following in his journal: “I also herd [sic] President Joseph Smith, jr., declare in the presence of F. Williams, D. Whitmer, S. Smith, W. Parrish, and others in the Deposit office that HE HAD RECEIVED THAT MORNING THE WORD OF THE LORD UPON THE SUBJECT OF THE KIRTLAND SAFETY SOCIETY. He was alone in a room by himself and he had not only [heard] the voice of the Spirit upon the Subject but even an AUDIBLE VOICE. He did not tell us at that time what the Lord said upon the subject but remarked that if we would give heed to the commandments the Lord had given this morning all would be well.” (”Wilford Woodruff’s Journal,” January 6, 1837, as quoted in Conflict at Kirtland, page 296)
(From Mormonism - Shadow or Reality? page 531)

“Construction of the temple had temporarily boosted the economy of Kirtland, but after the dedication the economy declined as poor converts arrived in ever increasing numbers. The old settlers attempted to keep them out of Kirtland by economic pressures, but the Mormon population increased twentyfold while the landholdings only quadrupled. In November 1836 Joseph and other church leaders drew up articles for a bank to provide capital for investments. It was a desperate gamble. Oliver Cowdery went to Philadelphia for plates to print bank notes, and Orson Hyde went to the legislature in Columbus with a petition for a bank license. It was refused. Oliver returned with plates for the Kirtland Safety Society Bank, but Orson Hyde came back without a charter. The plates were so expensive that they printed some specie anyway, writing in “Anti” before the word “Bank” and “ing” after it. The notes read, “Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company,” and the paper passed as legal tender from a joint-stock company. At first the money circulated wildly. When merchants and businessmen who were more sophisticated than the Mormons began to redeem their notes, Joseph could see that a run would ruin the bank. After one month he and Sidney Rigdon resigned as officers but the bank failed. This affected Joseph’s status.

People who were convinced that Joseph had intended a swindle at the outset attacked him verbally and threatened him physically. This disruption forced Joseph to leave the city frequently....

In April 1837 Joseph went into hiding without seeing Emma before he left. (Mormon Enigma, pp. 62)


29 posted on 08/03/2011 11:24:16 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MizSterious

The First Church of the Holy Bank Robber
_____________________________________________

Fawn Brodie details this about the demise of the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Company:

“If the bank needed a final blow to shatter what little prestige it still held among the faithful, it received it when Warren Parrish resigned as cashier, left the church, and began openly to describe the banking methods of the prophet. Parrish was later accused of absconding with $25,000, but if he took the sum it must have been in WORTHLESS BANK NOTES, since that amount of specie in the vaults would have saved the bank, at least during Joseph’s term as cashier.” (No Man Knows My History, page 198)

“The toppling of the Kirtland bank loosed a hornets’ nest. Creditors swarmed in upon Joseph armed with threats and warrants. He was terribly in debt. There is no way of knowing exactly how much he and his leading elders had borrowed, since the loyal Mormons left no itemized account of their own claims. But the local non-Mormon creditors whom he could not repay brought a series of suits against the prophet which the Geauga county court duly recorded. These records tell a story of trouble that would have demolished the prestige and broken the spirit of a lesser man.

“Thirteen suits were brought against him between June 1837 and April 1839, to collect sums totaling nearly $25,000. The damages asked amounted to almost $35,000. He was arrested seven times in four months, and his followers managed heroically to raise the $38,428 required for bail. Of the thirteen suits only six were settled out of court-about $12,000 out of the $25,000. In the other seven the creditors either were awarded damages or won them by default.

“Joseph had many additional debts that never resulted in court action. Some years later he compiled a list of still outstanding Kirtland loans, which amounted to more than $33,000. If one adds to these the two great loans of $30,000 and $60,000 borrowed in New York and Buffalo in 1836, it would seem that the Mormon leaders owed to non-Mormon individuals and firms well over $150,000.” (No Man Knows My History, pp. 199-202)


30 posted on 08/03/2011 11:25:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL—but they never worshiped Ralph the Cabbage!

Just heard someone on the news say that some of the jurors put their hands over their mouths as they listened to the tapes—folks, I think that’s it for Jeffs if that’s true. The jury sounds thoroughly disgusted. No Casey Anthony jury in that Texas courtroom!


31 posted on 08/03/2011 11:28:39 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...
According to AP, the prosecution now rests. Jeffs has asked for more time to prepare his case (surprise surprise) but evidently it ended after they played the last tape. Jeffs is toast. If as the news lady says, some of the jurors had their hands over their faces as they played those tapes, Jeffs might just as well sit down and shut up--nothing he can say is going to help.
32 posted on 08/03/2011 11:32:44 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
Just heard someone on the news say that some of the jurors put their hands over their mouths as they listened to the tapes—folks, I think that’s it for Jeffs if that’s true. The jury sounds thoroughly disgusted. No Casey Anthony jury in that Texas courtroom!

Let's hope prosecutors in other areas go after men who are doing the same thing as Warren Jeffs.

33 posted on 08/03/2011 11:44:14 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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34 posted on 08/03/2011 11:51:25 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: MizSterious

Just tweeted from Gosanangelo.com

Expert witness lists includes a guy in Georgia, a TX doctor and a Salt Lake City-based forensics/genomics company.


35 posted on 08/03/2011 11:52:57 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious; reaganaut

It’s just a matter of time.
Once THE definition of marriage is invalidated, then there’s NO definition that couldn’t be eventually accepted.

One of the pushes of the left is to “lower the age of consent”. The APA, the ones who declassified homosexuality as a mental illness, now has come up with the term “adult-child sex” and has “studied” the benefits, to the child, of such relationships.

Reaganaut - _I_ don’t see a “marriage” to a 12 yr old as legit, but the left WILL push for such a thing. Their goal is to make it at least legal if not socially acceptable for a 45+ yr old man to have sex with little boys.


36 posted on 08/03/2011 11:56:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MizSterious
Beth Karas actually just said on Tru TV that "Warren Jeffs has a high sex drive. He m__________s in his cell all the time."
37 posted on 08/03/2011 12:07:39 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Oh yuk. I used to listen to tapes Warren Jeffs had on youtube which I would think are long gone. The perv has the creepiest voice I've ever heard. I hope he gets locked up forever but cases I thought were going one way took a different turn. As for any mother or sister wife holding a child down, I hope they go after the women too. I also heard Warren was into little boys.
38 posted on 08/03/2011 2:31:33 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: pandoraou812
I hope he gets locked up forever but cases I thought were going one way took a different turn. As for any mother or sister wife holding a child down, I hope they go after the women too. I also heard Warren was into little boys.

I'm sure Jeffs fears the same treatment in prison.........being held down by a group..... of men.

39 posted on 08/03/2011 3:02:23 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MrB; MizSterious; reaganaut

A Mike Adams thread on the redefinition of marriage.

The guy is a master of satire, and yet it is too true of our times.

Cuomo Phobia
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2757956/posts


40 posted on 08/03/2011 3:45:20 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Vigilanteman

That’s only a start in my book.


41 posted on 08/03/2011 3:47:59 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom; Dr. Scarpetta; All

Jeffs makes opening statement, calls witness

WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press,
Updated 05:14 p.m., Wednesday, August 3, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs has given an opening statement about religious persecution at the trial where he is accused of child sexual abuse.

The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is defending himself. He spoke for 30 minutes, evoking images of the civil rights movement and mentioning former Mormon leader Joseph Smith Jr.

Jeffs' sect believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. He asked the jury to remember constitutional guarantees of religious freedom.

He then called one of his church's members, JD Roundy, to testify. Roundy read from the Book of Mormon.

(Excerpt--click here for the rest.)

42 posted on 08/03/2011 3:57:06 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: All
This is really sick:

Prosecutors later played another clip of a different "training session" involving 12 girls, but Jeffs stood up and loudly spoke over the tape, talking about how a holy trust was being broken. The judge and jurors were wearing headphones to listen to the tape, and ignored Jeffs' rambling.

On the tape, they heard Jeffs telling the girls "you have to know how to excite sexually and be excited," and telling the girls to shower and wear white robes when they come to him, as well as telling them to shave their pubic hair. He concluded by singing the prayer "Father, Son and Holy Ghost." In the courtroom, Jeffs remained standing in objection throughout the playing of the tape.

(Short excerpt from ABC News.}

43 posted on 08/03/2011 4:08:13 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

By his reasoning, anything someone wants to do under the guise of religion would be Constitutionally protected.

Including stuff like human sacrifice.

Not.......


44 posted on 08/03/2011 4:42:58 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; pandoraou812
I'm sure Jeffs fears the same treatment in prison.........being held down by a group..... of men.

Couldn't happen to a nicer, more deserving guy.

45 posted on 08/03/2011 4:44:33 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MizSterious
On the tape, they heard Jeffs telling the girls "you have to know how to excite sexually and be excited," and telling the girls to shower and wear white robes when they come to him, as well as telling them to shave their pubic hair. He concluded by singing the prayer "Father, Son and Holy Ghost." In the courtroom, Jeffs remained standing in objection throughout the playing of the tape.

I so hope and pray that this jury sees this man as nothing more than the sexual predator of children that he is.

Is the trial being televised at all?

46 posted on 08/03/2011 4:57:32 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: metmom
Couldn't happen to a nicer, more deserving guy.

I quite agree. I can think of many things that man & his perv followers deserve. How a mother could hold down her daughter or even another women let a man have sex with a child I can not understand. Even if that is what you have been taught is right... to hear your child cry out & hold her down for sex is unthinkable to me. If they know who that mother is then she needs to go to jail too. Bunch of whackadoodles.

47 posted on 08/03/2011 5:11:08 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: pandoraou812
Flora Jessop on twitter "Not sure the word "Amen" will ever be the same after hearing these wives echo this word as #WarrenJeffs completed his assault of 12 yr old"

Lindsay Whitehurst

Testifying for #WarrenJeffs defense, witness is reading passage describing Joseph Smith's first vision of God.

#warrenjeffs

Looks like Warren is doing everything he can to tie the Salt Lake mormon church to the FLDS....good!

48 posted on 08/03/2011 5:22:22 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: MizSterious; Dr. Scarpetta; greyfoxx39; pandoraou812; Elsie
From the article: Jeffs' sect believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven.

Not just Jeffs' sect, either.

Still on the books as "scripture" in the Salt Lake City-based Church of another jesus christ of latter-day saints -- the Mormons -- is this "teaching":

......if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my LAW, and by the new and everlasting covenant...they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. 20 Then they shall be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then they shall be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject to them. 21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory. (D&C 132: 19-21)

Smith was saying that this "new and everlasting covenant" -- polygamy -- was a law imposed upon those wanting to live in celestial heaven...the lone degree of glory reserved for the new fellow gods to God. (Note v. 20 where Mormon-to-be-gods "have all power" & "all things" and "angels" are subject to them.

In this way, the belief system of Warren Jeffs & Mitt Romney isn't all that far apart.

They both believe in becoming gods. (this is the meaning of the Mormon word "exaltation")
They both believe in a living "prophet" who when he tells you to jump, you say, "how high?"
They both believe disciples of Joseph Smith can be eternal polygamists...just a bit of distinctions exist on timing of entering into those roles.

49 posted on 08/03/2011 7:13:39 PM PDT by Colofornian (Tenses of polygamy: "As fLDS now are, LDS once were. As fLDS now are, LDS may become.")
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If Jeffs is a sick, twisted pervert, so was the founder of this “religion” and at least every “prophet” until 1890.

Lds had three different "prophets" during the 1890s and 1900s when their general authorities secretly solemnized an additional 260+ plural marriages...Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, Joseph F. Smith.

Then in the mid-1960s, on both Harold B. Lee and Spencer W. Kimball's watch as Lds "prophets," Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie in his book "Mormon Doctrine" claimed the Mormon jesus was pro-polygamy in that he would bring it back when he returned.

Harold B. Lee specifically assigned a First President -- Kimball (one of his two counselors) -- to oversee McConkie's revision of that book for a 1966 republishing date. Kimball then became one of the next "prophets" after Lee.

So you have at least five more Lds "prophets" making pro-polygamy gestures/comments/actions/solemnizations & even engaging in polygamy themselves (Woodruff & Joseph F. Smith) after 1890.

And people thought Mormon leaders were "straightforward" in their "clean living" image.

50 posted on 08/03/2011 8:07:32 PM PDT by Colofornian (Tenses of polygamy: "As fLDS now are, LDS once were. As fLDS now are, LDS may become.")
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