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Commandos criticize call for SEALs
washingtontimes.com ^ | August 9,2011 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 08/10/2011 6:55:41 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

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To: sten

...As they say, “You don’t have the need to know.” That means cover-up...

...BTW, not to put down “elite” units, but, any military loss of life is a tragedy...


41 posted on 08/10/2011 8:28:05 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

WHY was not an airstrike (from fast movers, apache helos, cruise missiles, or drones) used in the 1st place, rather than rely on using the SEALS as a “Rapid Response Team” to help out the Army who though were under fire, had not (as reported) suffered any casualties.

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Great question. I have wondered the same thing. Pure speculation on my part but I am guessing the Rules of Engagement have changed to an extreme point where they are more afraid of one “civilian” casualty than they are of losing a helicopter flying at low altitude from a lucky shot.

Hell of a way to fight a war. The Taliban routinely use civilians to shield them from airstrikes. We never learn.


42 posted on 08/10/2011 8:37:26 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I’m hoping that this is the military disappearing their best men in order to use them while Obama is still president.

Of course, it would be best served if they suddenly reappeared right before Obama’s impeachment.


43 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:30 AM PDT by struggle
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To: ilovesarah2012

I think that the theories of “conspiracy” are probably stretched. Here is why:

If you were a Taliban soldier, some of whom have been fighting “invaders” since I was a boy you would begin to pick up on the tactics of your enemy.

As a guerrilla warrior you would know where the troops are being dispatched from. Would you not set a person up to watch the airfield?

When you attack a group with overwhelming force, they in turn would call for help. Your person watching the airfield (or the entrances to the valley) would call and let you know when the chopper is coming. That would give you pretty decent time to prepare for the arrival in a choke point.

And, then its a lucky shot.

If you think like an insurgent, it seems pretty straightforward.

What you cannot do is make the assumption that these fighters are stupid. Poor does not equate to stupid.

They seemed pretty smart when they were knocking USSR choppers out of the air.

I hate that our guys are dead, and I hate that they sent in so many on a chopper. But I think the simplest answer is usually the most likely to be correct.


44 posted on 08/10/2011 8:51:21 AM PDT by Vermont Lt ("Will No One Rid US of This Meddlesome Priest?")
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To: cyberaxe; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
...2) there was a dog and handler on board, not QRF, more like snatch and grab...

Keen insight.

45 posted on 08/10/2011 8:59:20 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Palter
More so that the SEAL team wanted to get into the action and suggested they 'enter' the operation, unplanned. Just a theory.

I have wondered that myself.

46 posted on 08/10/2011 9:00:57 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

When I was a young Platoon Leader, I was sure that my platoon could defeat the entire Warsaw Pact. Some old guys wearing combat patches shamed me into realizing that my Soldier’s lives were more important and that the US taxpayers had spent a good deal of money to provide me with things to help me like artillery and helicopters and engineers. If I was in a shooting match, I’d be calling for all the support I could get. I’m not sure that it’s a good idea to put everyone on one helicopter, but two helicopters provides twice as many targets.


47 posted on 08/10/2011 9:11:03 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Thane_Banquo

I’m no expert, but would tend to agree. This would seem to be a Rangers / Marines type mission, not a SEAL mission.


48 posted on 08/10/2011 9:23:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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The question remains, where they sacrificed because of the political exploitation related to the UBL mission?


49 posted on 08/10/2011 9:31:11 AM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Vermont Lt

You know, you are probably correct in your well-thought out post.

It really speaks volumes to the level of crap that we are experiencing right now, where so many of us out here (myself included) have to the very first thought cross our minds that this assclown in charge set up our own boys to get whacked. And what’s REALLY horrible is that it’s an entirely plausible and believable scenario, knowing his background, the backgrounds of his comrades, and who he was raised by and who he hung out with all his life.

What an effed up state of affairs we’ve come to.

God rest the souls of those warriors, and grant their families some measure of peace.


50 posted on 08/10/2011 9:55:02 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

“Enemies Foreign and Domestic”.


51 posted on 08/10/2011 7:09:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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