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I don't know, so I'm an atheist libertarian
CNN Opinion ^ | 8/16/11 | Penn Jillette

Posted on 08/18/2011 6:40:21 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

I try to claim that I was friends with the genius Richard Feynman...

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Last week I was interviewed for Piers Morgan's show (which used to be Larry King's show). Piers beat me up a bit for being an atheist (that's his job) and then beat me up a bit for being a libertarian (also his job). He did this by asking me impossible questions, questions that none of us, Harold, Richard, me, (or Piers), could ever answer.

He started with "How did you get here?" and I started talking about my road to showbiz and atheism and he interrupted and said he meant how the universe was created. I said, "I don't know."

(snip)

It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness.

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To: Notary Sojac

I htink you could argue that at least some of the Founders could well have had a similar position to yours, that Judeo-Christian values were a valuable pre-condition to Liberty, without being rock-ribbed believers themselves.


41 posted on 08/18/2011 12:18:09 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: Haiku Guy
without being rock-ribbed believers themselves.

Exactly. That the authors of the Declaration and the Constitution were almost all believing Christians is indisputable.

Yet I think they were Christians deeply infused by the Enlightenment. They might not recognize those coming out of the early 20th century fundamentalist movement as "Christians" in quite the same way that they themselves were.

42 posted on 08/18/2011 12:41:41 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Mount Athos

PennPoint rant on agnostic vs atheist if anyone actually cares to hear it:

http://revision3.com/pennpoint/agnosticssuck


43 posted on 08/18/2011 2:59:12 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: RatSlayer

I listened to it, but it seemed like really dishonest argumentation.

Penn says that Atheism is simply a lack of belief, not a strong belief that believing is wrong or false or that there is nothing to believe in.

Which is absurd since he himself as an example of an atheist disproves this on its face. And this is true with the atheists I have encountered.

There is a very real and strong difference between atheists and agnostics, and his video just provides more evidence.


44 posted on 08/18/2011 5:02:42 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Haiku Guy

Atheist libertarians have one and only one value - materialism. If it feels good, do it; they are amoral.

He’s lying about being moved to help the poor on his own.
More than likely, he looks at the poor as sub-human things that are worthless and should die because the earth is overpopulated.

I hung out with this mob for a while when I was younger as I was weary of the Rino/socialist “choice” and I discovered the atheist leaders of libertarians are spiritual whether they know it or not. In their decision to outright reject God (it is not a passive decision), they are wide open to the opposite spirit of Him. It’s actually spooky. And they have a lot of power in the business world which explains the major problems we see in the lack of ethics there.


45 posted on 08/18/2011 6:29:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Vaquero

Just do yourself a favor if you are truly seeking, and read this; http://www.shrinesf.org/apostles.htm and remember it wasn’t just their deaths, but the sacrifice of family for the travel that they undertook to carry out the Great Commission.

You don’t do that for a lie.


46 posted on 08/18/2011 6:59:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (In order; Bachmann, Cain, Palin, Santorum, Perry, None of the rest matter 'til the general)
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To: Grunthor

and remember it wasn’t just their deaths, but the sacrifice of family for the travel that they undertook to carry out the Great Commission.

You don’t do that for a lie.

If you truly believe...if you have ultimate faith you will die for just about anything...whether you are right or wrong....for that person it is not a lie.

47 posted on 08/19/2011 4:54:29 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

If you truly believe...if you have ultimate faith you will die for just about anything...whether you are right or wrong....for that person it is not a lie.
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They spent everyday for three years with Jesus. Some scholars believe that a couple of them might have known him all their lives.

Now, you watch a man die and three days later his grave is disturbed and the body gone after he TOLD you that he was going to rise in three days, then he shows up at your dinner table within the week? That to me is when the apostles finally “got it.”

Doubting Thomas is my favorite of the apostle stories in the weeks following the resurrection. He demanded to see the Lord before he’d believe. To actually put his finger in the wounds on His hands and his arm in Jesus’ (spear wound) side.

Once he did these things, he fell at Jesus feet proclaiming “My Lord and my God.”

Doubting Thomas knew Jesus for years. Knew of His wounds. Certified by checking his wounds that yes indeed this was the risen Christ. And he believed. If it’s was good enough for Thomas, surely it’s good enough for us?


48 posted on 08/19/2011 7:47:58 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order; Cain, Palin, Perry, None of the rest matter 'til the general)
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To: SaraJohnson

As soon as you tell anyone else of your efforts to help the poor, your motivations are suspect. “Let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing” is the rule.


49 posted on 08/19/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: Grunthor
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
AC Clarke

just because sandal wearing goat herders and fishermen were surprised by their discoveries does not make their discoveries accurate.

50 posted on 08/19/2011 8:09:51 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

So do you believe that Jesus was never dead? Or was it that he played these men for fools?


51 posted on 08/19/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order; Cain, Palin, Perry, None of the rest matter 'til the general)
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To: Grunthor
2000 years ago....I believe Jesus lived in those times...

and it was a long, long time ago and much of the gospels were written well after his ‘death’.

I am not an expert on divinity so I do not know if the whole “lived, died, rose the 3rd day (or not)”, was what happened....the Gospels are, what they are....you believe them in their entirety...in part....or not at all...

I for one do not know.

52 posted on 08/19/2011 10:45:26 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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