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Federal Officials Reject City’s Plan to Ban Food Stamps for Soda [Bloomberg’s diabetes epidemic]
New York Times ^ | August 19, 2011 | By PATRICK MCGEEHAN

Posted on 08/19/2011 7:08:33 PM PDT by Fitzy_888

Federal officials on Friday rejected Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s proposal to bar New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks with their benefits.

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Tom Vilsack, the secretary of agriculture, said in a statement that the United States Department of Agriculture “has a longstanding tradition of supporting and promoting incentive-based solutions that are better suited for the working families, elderly and other low-income individuals” who rely on food stamps. “We are confident that we can solve the problem of obesity and promote good nutrition and health for all Americans and stand ready to work with New York City to achieve these goals.”

The city’s proposal was part of Mr. Bloomberg’s campaign to make the city a healthier place, which has included banning smoking indoors and in public parks, barring restaurants from cooking with trans fats and requiring them to inform customers about calorie counts.

The mayor was not pleased with the rejection on Friday.

“We think our innovative pilot would have done more to protect people from the crippling effects of preventable illnesses like diabetes and obesity than anything else being proposed elsewhere in this country — and at little or no cost to taxpayers,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agriculture; bloomberg; diabetes; foodnazis; foodpolice; foodstamp; newyork; newyorkcity; ny; snap; tomvilsack; vilsack; waronsoda
Statistically there are higher rates of obesity and diabetes among food stamp recipients -it‘s getting worse.

Now I was once young and irresponsible and I know how I spent the $10 my father might give me to go to the movies -I bought junk. We all have an understanding of the simple facets of human nature. I have housing projects not far from where I live. At the corner store I stand behind the lady buying three jars of honey roasted peanuts with her snap card (food stamps). This is her kids dinner. And, I see similarly bad things all the time.

The cards themselves, they condition the recipient to be responsible with credit cards, as soon as they might get a leg up -they’ll get knocked down again with debt. I’ve heard this first hand. But, like most bureaucracy it’s designed to perpetuate itself or better yet grow -so the bureaucracy flourishes.

Here I’d be temped to say: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” But, I’m well past believing the intentions are good.

Now it seems Mike Bloomberg is having a hard time holding his nose in the air above the reality that he’s the steward of a system creating an obesity and diabetes epidemic. At risk is his world view, you can trust that his answer will likely be to try to control everyone.

1 posted on 08/19/2011 7:08:39 PM PDT by Fitzy_888
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To: Fitzy_888
Bloomberg’s proposal to bar New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks

The first sensible thing he has ever said or done.

Proves the old adage that even a blind pig will root up an acorn now and then.


2 posted on 08/19/2011 7:11:41 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Fitzy_888

Well...while I do think there are FAR too many people on Food Stamps and that the program is being taken advantage of by many who are unscupulous...I see no reason to ban soft drinks.

That is the least of the problem. If a family actually does need Food Stamps to get by - there is no reason a kid can’t have a Coca-Cola every now and then.


3 posted on 08/19/2011 7:13:49 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Fitzy_888

This is insane IMHO. Countless foods are higher in calories than a can of coke. Why do these national nannies not want to ban them too?

I can just see it now; denied a coke, food stamp recipients make themselves a milkshake instead.

Never forget the law of unintended consequences.


4 posted on 08/19/2011 7:18:06 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: Fitzy_888

Food stamp program is a real joke. I personally think that it should be staples such as sugar flour and a certain amount of protein, vegetables, and dairy.

If you don’t know what to do with those items then you are required to take a simple cooking class. I feed a large family and those are the items I stock in my pantry and fridge. There are no premade dinners or processed crap. My kids eat real butter, real sugar, real food and at the same time they are all a healthy weight.


5 posted on 08/19/2011 7:18:25 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Iron Munro

Yep, broken clock and all that.


6 posted on 08/19/2011 7:19:44 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Fitzy_888

I thought they banned that back in 1988, when I was growing up you could always tell who was on food stamps by the pallets of soda in the backyard and the garage.


7 posted on 08/19/2011 7:20:11 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Fitzy_888

We have the fattest, richest poor people in the world. I don’t think banning soda is gonna make much diff Mr. Blooming Idiot.


8 posted on 08/19/2011 7:22:39 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: DJlaysitup

I agree. I think that stamps should start becoming more restricted the longer a person is on them. At the moment there are people on stamps who are using them to get by, not to abuse them. Bannig soft drinks is a petty move that won’t solve the fundamental problem.


9 posted on 08/19/2011 7:26:29 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Fitzy_888

We recently found out here in Vancouver Washington, that state EBT food stamp cards can be used to pay fares on Loot Rail trains!

What a deal!


10 posted on 08/19/2011 7:28:43 PM PDT by Bean Counter ("For every man there exists a bait he cannot resist swallowing.".....Nietzsche)
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To: Iron Munro

They should ban anything that isn’t relatively healthy food. Meat, veggies, fruits, beans, bread, yogurt, ect. No candy, cookies, soda, junk cereal(cereal with more than 5g of sugar is considered no good)chips. Let them go to work if they want to buy that junk. Or they can buy the ingredients to make it themselves.


11 posted on 08/19/2011 7:29:47 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Fitzy_888

I honestly didn’t know you *could* buy pop (I’m from the midwest, I just can’t bring myself to say “soda”, lol) with food stamps.

As for Bloomberg...he can go suck eggs. It’s not that I think it’s a bad idea, necessarily. But the guy is just too big for his britches, to put it nicely. One government intrusion after another with this guy, none of which is likely to make a bit of difference in obesity or diabetes rates in the city.


12 posted on 08/19/2011 7:33:43 PM PDT by DemforBush (Serpentine, Shel! Serpentine!)
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To: pennyfarmer

Totally agree with that. If they want junk, make it from scratch. That’s what I did too. Didn’t drink soda, drank water, or ice tea. No reason people on welfare can’t do the same thing. They want a buy cookies, chips, soda, junk cereal, let them go to work, buy it with their own money.


13 posted on 08/19/2011 7:35:18 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady

The problem lies with who determines what is healthy.


14 posted on 08/19/2011 7:36:35 PM PDT by allmost
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To: MsLady
No candy, cookies, soda, junk cereal(cereal with more than 5g of sugar is considered no good)chips.

You can buy all those items on food stamps...cakes, pies, ice cream, and candy. The one thing you can't buy are ready made items, like hoagies. You have to buy the ingredients and put it together yourself. No non-food items either...

15 posted on 08/19/2011 7:37:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Fitzy_888

I watched a lady buy 2 quart sized bottles of tart cherry juice from our health food store - $9 apiece - with her Oregon Trails (food stamp) card.

If I were having trouble making ends meet, and even if I am not, I sure wouldn’t pay that much!!


16 posted on 08/19/2011 7:39:21 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: freespirited

I say let them buy whatever they want with their own money.

When they’re mooching off the rest of us, we should have a say in what they buy. If I had a say, all a food stamp card would buy would be beans and rice with a little milk thrown in for the kids.

Of course the SecAg doesn’t want to ban junk food bought with food stamps. Those are Obama’s voters.


17 posted on 08/19/2011 7:41:18 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Fitzy_888
“We think our innovative pilot would have done more ... at little or no cost to taxpayers,”

But food stamps are not about disease prevention. No, food stamps are the means to boost the economy. We're almost out of recession by giving food stamps to 45,000,000 Americans. Think how much more a boost there would be if ALL Americans got food stamps - the economy would be Booming!

18 posted on 08/19/2011 7:41:48 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: dila813

You can buy most anything with a snap card and it also depends how the store might characterise an item.

The big package of Twizzler’s licorice candy is a local snap card favorite around here.


19 posted on 08/19/2011 7:42:24 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: freespirited

“I can just see it now; denied a coke, food stamp recipients make themselves a milkshake instead.”

At least a milkshake has some nutritional value.

I say as I sit here swilling a Pepsi.


20 posted on 08/19/2011 7:48:37 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: seowulf

“Of course the SecAg doesn’t want to ban junk food bought with food stamps. Those are Obama’s voters.”

And the junk food manufacturers are donors.


21 posted on 08/19/2011 7:50:31 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Fitzy_888
“We are confident that we can solve the problem of obesity and promote good nutrition and health for all Americans and stand ready to work with New York City to achieve these goals.”

Translation: We won't ban soda from beign purchased with foodstamps. We'd rather tax the snot out of it

22 posted on 08/19/2011 7:55:42 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Liberalism: the belief that with enough $ one can wish away any natural law he finds inconvenient)
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To: DJlaysitup

“no reason a kid can’t have a Coca-Cola every now and then.”

And the mother, and if the father is there he too, deserves a stiff drink now and then- and a smoke.

Heck, in my state that money would come right back at the state ABC store. Half the cigarette money and 100% of the booze money would come right back in the state’s coffers.
Reduce food stamp cost by 25% without any reduction in payment!

Save the recipient the trouble of selling his stamps for half price to get ‘em too...


23 posted on 08/19/2011 7:59:13 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Fitzy_888
The Feds are not interested on putting restrictions on programs that affect people that vote Democratic. Securing those voters is far more important their health. Heck, if these voters loose their health they become even more dependent on the Fed.
24 posted on 08/19/2011 8:00:59 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“The one thing you can’t buy are ready made items”

In California, at least 1/2 of the fast food places accept EBT. The pizza place down the street has a big sign “Coming soon EBT”


25 posted on 08/19/2011 8:14:20 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“The one thing you can’t buy are ready made items”

In California, at least 1/2 of the fast food places accept EBT. The pizza place down the street has a big sign “Coming soon EBT”


26 posted on 08/19/2011 8:14:20 PM PDT by Selene
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To: unixfox

My prediction is in keeping with the Bloombergian boilerplate:

Soda tax, not applicable to snap card holders...but with the proceeds partially funding “ahhh prevention” -more correctly the appearance there of.


27 posted on 08/19/2011 8:16:58 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Selene
In California, at least 1/2 of the fast food places accept EBT. The pizza place down the street has a big sign “Coming soon EBT”

You can't do that here in PA. You can buy frozen pizza here and then go home and bake it.

What is going on in your state should not be allowed. I'm shocked...

28 posted on 08/19/2011 8:20:44 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Selene

In fact, you can’t even buy a rotisserie chicken with food stamps in PA. If you don’t want to cook, you have to go to the frozen food dept, and then go home to put it in the oven.

It’s bad enough that so many people are on food stamps. Why would a state make it so much fun by allowing them to get fast food...


29 posted on 08/19/2011 8:28:44 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Fitzy_888

I had no idea, I thought you could only buy stuff like meat, milk, eggs, etc..


30 posted on 08/19/2011 8:29:17 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I am shocked, also. This has happened recently. You should check again in your state. I bet it’s happening there.


31 posted on 08/19/2011 8:34:08 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Wrong..

You can buy a deli-express (pre-made but needs to be heated) sandwich with a food stamp card as long as you heat it up AFTER you pay for it. Don’t forget the 1.50 6oz bag of chips and the 2ltr of Coke too.

And the food stamp card would take it all.


32 posted on 08/19/2011 8:36:30 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Selene

I thought liberals hate fast food. Why would they allow people to buy it with food stamps?

I’m sorry you have to deal with such nonsense. California really is LA-LA land...


33 posted on 08/19/2011 8:37:46 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: cableguymn
You can buy a deli-express (pre-made but needs to be heated) sandwich with a food stamp card as long as you heat it up AFTER you pay for it.

What state are you in?

34 posted on 08/19/2011 8:39:25 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“Why would they allow people to buy it with food stamps?”

Haven’t you heard? Food stamps create jobs. LOL!


35 posted on 08/19/2011 8:40:39 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Selene

Now that you told me this, I’m more convinced than ever that things are so totally out of control. How will we ever be able to take food stamps away from people who can buy fast food with it..

They must love it.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 8:51:35 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Fitzy_888
He is doing the right thing here.

Take a look at the obesity of these people, especially the women.

Take a look them at the ER rooms, medical costs due to obesity. Diabetes, etc.

Then take a look at the reason medical cost are so expensive. They don't need to be drinking all that POP/soda. They need to be drinking water, and training their chilren in the proper diets.

Their fearless leaders wife agrees, but does not set the example herself.

37 posted on 08/19/2011 9:22:34 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: seowulf
I say let them buy whatever they want with their own money.

When they’re mooching off the rest of us, we should have a say in what they buy.

It's amazing how upside-down the world is. People who are spending their own money get interdicted by neo-Puritan laws, but social assistance recipients get their "rights" observed to a T.

Might get to the point where people will go on food stamps merely to eat what they want...

38 posted on 08/19/2011 10:27:23 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Land of 10000 loons. Minnesota.


39 posted on 08/20/2011 5:18:51 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Land of 10000 loons. Minnesota.


40 posted on 08/20/2011 5:19:20 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Land of 10000 loons. Minnesota.


41 posted on 08/20/2011 5:19:20 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: allmost

How bought no prepared foods. Prepackaged or bakery, cookies, cakes, pies, candy, chips, frozen dinners, they are all prepared foods. Soda would be out too, it’s obviously something you can live without. Then with the cereals, some of the cereals on the market you might as well be eating cake and cookies, have a sugar cut off 5 grams or so, or a list of cereals you can get. Use to be any taxable items you couldn’t get on food stamps. Isn’t soda taxable? Candy?


42 posted on 08/20/2011 5:34:40 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady

Deep breaths.


43 posted on 08/20/2011 5:41:16 AM PDT by allmost
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To: cableguymn
Land of 10000 loons. Minnesota.

I have a nephew through marriage who got laid off from his good computer job at a large company in NJ several months ago. The last I heard was that he moved with his wife and 3 kids to Minnesota. He doesn't have any relatives there and still hasn't found a job. His wife doesn't have one either. Hopefully he's not on food stamps in your state...

44 posted on 08/20/2011 6:28:18 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: danielmryan
It's amazing how upside-down the world is. People who are spending their own money get interdicted by neo-Puritan laws, but social assistance recipients get their "rights" observed to a T.

Well, that just shows you what our "elites" really think of us.

We're not free citizens, just livestock who exist to be milked dry. You know any good farmer will protect his animals by herding them to where they need to be. He will feed them what they need to maximize milk production.

What the cow wants matters not at all.

45 posted on 08/20/2011 7:52:19 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: danielmryan
Oh, and little corollary to my thesis: the food stamp/welfare people aren't treated like livestock because they aren't.

Those people are pets.

46 posted on 08/20/2011 8:05:21 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Fitzy_888

Foodstamps Chaos in the Street Atlanta, GA 8/11/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrB14EnaebM&feature=player_embedded


47 posted on 08/20/2011 1:37:15 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Fitzy_888

I hear ya, though honey roasted peanuts are probably among the healthier SNAP food purchase choices.

Here’s one issue that I agree with Nurse Bloomberg on.


48 posted on 08/20/2011 1:43:46 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

And? So? Well? They’ll be first in line at the hospitals and clinics under Zerocare.

The WIC program (Women, Infants, Children) mandates what kinds of food items (i.e., real food, not Sunny D and Fritos) can be purchased, and that’s how the Food Stamps program should be run (iow, WIC should vanish as a separate program, and Food Stamps should vanish except in name).


49 posted on 08/21/2011 5:22:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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