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Ruben Rosario: Will the death penalty endure? Not if this attorney can help it
Pioneer Press ^ | 8-19-11 | rube rosario

Posted on 08/19/2011 7:26:26 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Wells, like many attorneys who plunge into this protracted and rewarding but frustrating legal venture, is morally and philosophically opposed to the death penalty. Although 34 states have it, there are other reasons Minnesota should continue to oppose it.

Several credible national studies conclude, and nearly 90 percent of the nation's top criminologists in a recent survey agree, that the death penalty has very little, if any, effect at all on deterring violent crime. So agrees the law enforcement community. A national poll of police chiefs placed it dead last, pun intended, on ways to reduce violent crime. The chiefs also consider it the least efficient use of taxpayer money.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: attorney; criminologists; death; deathpenalty; legal; penalty; punishment; wells
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Our Judicial system has to be flushed of the Leftist bile same as every other aspect of our government.

The Left has made a mockery of our laws in favor of the criminal element within our society.

“Hey! They would have died sometime anyway!”


21 posted on 08/19/2011 7:56:20 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Niuhuru

very true!

also, we know how libs utterly lie with statistics.

” top criminologists in a recent survey agree, that the death penalty has very little, if any, effect at all on deterring violent crime.”

...maybe is true, when it can take 15 years of appeals, before it happens. and as you correctly said, during that time, things can change. HOPE is the key.

take away that, and THEN do the stats.
do the trial. one month for appeal, and like that great Texas law, if there is multiple eyewitnesses, etc.,
they go to the express lane.

i bet death is a deterrence from stealing from a big gang leader. a CERTAINLY of death, QUICKLY, and without HOPE,
would do the same for courts.


22 posted on 08/19/2011 7:57:22 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freedumb2003

He was right.


23 posted on 08/19/2011 7:58:22 PM PDT by allmost
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To: freedumb2003

That was the stand-up comedian Ron “Tater Salad” White.


24 posted on 08/19/2011 8:01:38 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: doc1019

Only if you let the appeals drag on and on and on and on. Texas got tired of that stuff and after the Texas Seven were recaptured, fast-tracked appeals. As a result, the costs have dropped precipitously.

IIRC, it is going to cost less to finish executing the Texas Seven than it would to house them for the rest of their natural life expectancy.


25 posted on 08/19/2011 8:01:38 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Chief Wiggam is against said penalty.

Sherrif Joe is for said penalty.

Popo ain’t constitutional...

Sherrif is.


26 posted on 08/19/2011 8:02:55 PM PDT by waterhill (Little 'r' republican: taker of the Founder's 'Red Pill'...www.mikechurch.com)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And don’t worry, Ruben. If Minnesota turned out like California has, your average capital defendant would be more likely to die of old age (or at least of natural causes) than at the needle.


27 posted on 08/19/2011 8:03:26 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

How can anyone say the death penalty is no deterrent.

There is not an incident on record where an executed man or woman ever comitted another crime.

The only problem with the death penalty is that it takes too long to carry out.
After a murderous POS receives the death penalty he should be dead within 30 days


28 posted on 08/19/2011 8:07:54 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Spktyr

Good example, not typical. California is a great example of the other extreme. It cost California approx. 73K per year to keep a prisoner, yet it cost California over 373K per year per prisoner in court and lawyer fees for death row prisoners.


29 posted on 08/19/2011 8:10:11 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

It’s not used enough to be a deterent.


30 posted on 08/19/2011 8:12:25 PM PDT by umgud
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To: WOBBLY BOB

My only problem is that both our justice system and law enforcement has become corrupt and bureaucratically inept.

I am no longer confident that an innocent person couldn’t be convicted and executed.


31 posted on 08/19/2011 8:16:31 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
>> the death penalty has very little, if any, effect at all on deterring violent crime. A national poll of police chiefs placed it dead last, pun intended, on ways to reduce violent crime <<

Yes, survey's have shown well over 95% of executed corpses become zombies after their execution, reanimating within 72 hours and committing more murders. Said one coroner sadly "If there was ONLY a way we could stop 'em from coming back to life, the death penalty might deter these criminals from violent crime. Unfortunately, medical science hasn't reached that stage yet"

32 posted on 08/19/2011 8:17:34 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: doc1019

That’s California, though. It is only so expensive in California because they have permitted it to become so and permitted the process to drag out over 30+ years per inmate.

Yes, it’s more expensive in California, but it’s *California’s* own fault; the cost is not inherent in the death penalty.

Also, don’t you mean it costs them $73K per year to *not* keep a prisoner? Remember, they’re doing wonderful things like paroling murderers because of overcrowding (won’t build more prisons because of BANANAs and NIMBYs and ecofreaks), political revenge (”Hah, vote to reduce MY princely salary, will you?”) and lack of money.


33 posted on 08/19/2011 8:20:41 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: umgud

It’s also conducted behind closed doors.

Most criminals (outside of Texas) either don’t believe that the death penalty actually exists or they believe (often correctly) that they will be long dead of old age before any such sentence gets close to being carried out.


34 posted on 08/19/2011 8:25:16 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Elendur; doc1019

Thanks and your statement is entirely correct; if there is cast iron evidence and unfailing witnesses, it should all be hurried along, no silly automatic appeals and stuff like that. With McVeigh and Aileen Wuornos, they should have been dead in a year at most, six months minimum. Long enough for them to get good with God and then meet their Maker.


35 posted on 08/19/2011 8:33:45 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Spktyr

Well, Richard Ramirez is still alive, goes to show what sort of sick world we live in that he is still kicking back in prison. Same with the Manson women, who should have had their death penalties apply when the death penalty was reinstated.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 8:35:36 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

It’s California. Why are you surprised?


37 posted on 08/19/2011 8:37:26 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
They just released a guy who was on death row today. I tend to automatically oppose any cause Hollywood celebrities get behind but from the news articles it appears the prosecution didn't have incontrovertible proof in this case. Death penalty cases can't have the slightest possibility of errors or mistaken identities. Releasing some guy from death row on a technicality designed to keep him from suing the DA does not inspire confidence in prosecutors seeking the death penalty.
38 posted on 08/19/2011 8:38:13 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Valpal1

I agree. It’s frighteningly easy for someone to make an accusation and then you are put in the position of having to defend yourself.


39 posted on 08/19/2011 8:38:55 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“Death penalty cases can’t have the slightest possibility of errors or mistaken identities. “

WHich makes sense. Cases where there are executions should have cast iron proof that something was done and there is no possibility that the defendent is executed.


40 posted on 08/19/2011 8:41:00 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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