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US voters are not mad. Our stereotype of them is patronising and wrong
guardian.co.uk ^ | 18 Aug 2011 | Martin Kettle

Posted on 08/20/2011 10:48:16 AM PDT by smokingfrog

America is a country of mad people governed by buffoons. That's the way a lot of Europeans are content to see it, no matter how much they love the US in other ways. A country of mad people because they are so religious, violent, overweight and in denial about things that look obvious from here but which the flag-wavers over there refuse to get. Governed by buffoons because, for the past half-century, from Lyndon Johnson to George W Bush, no US president was truly respected in much of this continent. Not even Reagan on the right or Clinton on the left. All of them, in various ways, were laughable.

That changed in 2008. With one mighty bound, the nation of mad people became a nation of visionaries, electing not a buffoon but an incredibly cool, incredibly smart, incredibly articulate leader who was so progressive and sensitive that, guess what, he might almost have been one of us. Except that, inconveniently, he wasn't. But that didn't matter. We gave him the Nobel peace prize when he'd only been in office for five minutes and drooled whenever he looked in our direction.

Now, with 15 months to go before the next US presidential election, a spectre is haunting Europe. The spectre is the possibility Barack Obama might not be re-elected. In fact it's more than that. It's the sense, among a lot of Europeans and a lot of progressives – US ones too – that Obama wasn't as great as he seemed and that, as a result, he has allowed the mad people to get their act together again and prepare to elect another buffoon next November. Prejudices confirmed. Comfort zone resumed.

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1 posted on 08/20/2011 10:48:22 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Clueless ping?

I am about as mad as hell...2012 can not come soon enough!!! =.=


2 posted on 08/20/2011 10:49:36 AM PDT by cranked
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To: smokingfrog
Martin, old chap, we are not mad but angry...Cheerio


3 posted on 08/20/2011 10:50:25 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104
Reminds me of the joke about two hunters in Africa. They're walking down a path when suddenly the come upon a lion, crouched and ready to spring. One of the hunters immediately sits down, pulls a pair of running shoes out of his rucksack and starts putting them on.

"You're insane!" cried his comrade. "You'll never outrun that lion!"

"Perhaps not," replied the other. "But if I try really hard, I might be able to outrun you!

4 posted on 08/20/2011 10:58:42 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Yeh!

2012 we may/may not outrun obama...but then it’s back to the SOS!


5 posted on 08/20/2011 11:02:28 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: smokingfrog
Inbred Europeans might employ a more respectful tone when speaking of their betters. Perhaps a reminder is in order.

6 posted on 08/20/2011 11:03:59 AM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: smokingfrog

Martin can kiss my rosy red...anyone that uses the word buffoon so many times is, of course, a buffoon themselves. My High School English teacher would have slapped me for uttering such rubbish.


7 posted on 08/20/2011 11:04:49 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: smokingfrog

Must be a lib paper, the comments were the usual clueless wastes of time the left puts out on cue. The welfare state is toast and those cultists are down to scapegoating Christians, pretty sad.


8 posted on 08/20/2011 11:08:55 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: smokingfrog

Unintended Satire... LOL!


9 posted on 08/20/2011 11:09:14 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: smokingfrog

Barf alert needed. One does not even know where to begin with the drivvel coming from this creature’s pen. Palin didn’t lose in 2008. McLAME did. Madness is re-electing Obama or making it possible for him to get re-elected. Sanity is preventing his re-election and nominating someone who can clearly articulate this country’s values. Most Americans couldn’t care less what the Euros think of our politics. As a whole, we are not like them and never have been. No apologies needed from our end.


10 posted on 08/20/2011 11:09:33 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: smokingfrog

You forgot the barf alert on this one!


11 posted on 08/20/2011 11:10:13 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: smokingfrog
incredibly articulate leader

Strictly within visual range of a functioning teleprompter.

12 posted on 08/20/2011 11:10:37 AM PDT by tbpiper (Sarah Palin is the antivenin for the Obama poison)
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To: smokingfrog

Well your screen name and this frog’s last name prompts me to say that this Euro frog’s Kettle is boiling and he is done and does not have a clue. I also cannot help but wonder if his boil did not come about from some hallucinogenic materials on fire. The smoke got him before the boil.


13 posted on 08/20/2011 11:12:49 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: smokingfrog
"With one mighty bound, the nation of mad people became a nation of visionaries, electing not a buffoon but an incredibly cool, incredibly smart, incredibly articulate leader who was so progressive and sensitive that..."

Interesting. Wonder what nation that would be????

14 posted on 08/20/2011 11:15:42 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (How's that change workin' out for ya, Obama voters?)
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To: cranked

If America would look at everything that’s been done to this once-great country since January of 2008 and choose another 4 years of this, this nation is beyond saving.


15 posted on 08/20/2011 11:16:30 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: smokingfrog

From the leftist British ruling class which destroyed a once great nation. Unfortunately, the people had become cowardly enough to let them do it.


16 posted on 08/20/2011 11:19:36 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: smokingfrog

It’s okay. Europeans have been patronizing us as long as we’ve been here. Only the most neurotic among us care.


17 posted on 08/20/2011 11:20:14 AM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: smokingfrog

What is WRONG with these people? Even as his own country is being burned to the ground because of leftist policies far worse than ours, he remains as clueless as any OTHER piece of Euro-trash? There has to be something in the water that makes these people so incredibly obtuse. I just wish they would stop putting it in the water in NY and DC....


18 posted on 08/20/2011 11:20:23 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: smokingfrog

Isn’t Mr. Kettle’s country being over-ridden by an angry mob even as he pens this load of tripe?
Progressive indeed.


19 posted on 08/20/2011 11:21:45 AM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: smokingfrog
A country of mad people because they are so religious,

violent,

overweight and in denial about things

...that look obvious from here but which the flag-wavers over there refuse to get.

What is it about people that live in glass houses?

20 posted on 08/20/2011 11:22:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: smokingfrog

What a condescending, piece of crap article this is. Oh and the author is a total buffoon.


21 posted on 08/20/2011 11:25:54 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry Europe that it took you so very long to see what we did.

Obama is an idiot.

He is beyond cretin.

He has no accomplishments.

He is a prime example of equal opportunity gone bad.

Please take him off our hands...and don’t let him return to the U.S.

I personally know a number of African Americans - all of which have PhDs in REAL subjects, and who actually got through school through their own accomplishments.

None think positively of the Obamaloon.

None.


22 posted on 08/20/2011 11:27:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: smokingfrog

Reading the comments, I thank God my relatives left that miserable dysfunctional hellhole that is Europe. (And yes, I have a passport and have visited the continent)

I can’t understand why so many in this country want to be like them - go back if you want European socialism, snobbery, and ignorance. They’ll obviously take anyone in these days, as long as you cop a superior attitude against anyone living in reality.

We should have let the Nazis and Ruskies have the place - think of the American lives and national treasure we would have saved. The end result would have been the same - just a different shade of socialism.

When are we going to bring our troops home - from Europe?


23 posted on 08/20/2011 11:28:40 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: smokingfrog

The Guardian is a Communist newspapers. Pure. And. Simple.


24 posted on 08/20/2011 11:29:50 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: smokingfrog

How can anyone think that Obama is not left enough? What did the leftist expect a complete Communist take over in just 2 years? He got through enough leftist legislation to ruin us, give it time,


25 posted on 08/20/2011 11:34:59 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: smokingfrog

What blows me away is the continuous string of arrogant european idiots who think they have half a clue about what motivates americans. I’m talking americans here, not liberals.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 11:35:35 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: cranked
How fascinating that this blast at US comes from a nation in the throes of SURRENDERING ITS HERITAGE TO ISLAM.

Fed up with Obama and Congress? SO AM I!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkyRZoHlTM

27 posted on 08/20/2011 11:36:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t know where Mr Kettle is from, I suspect he resides in Britain.

Europeans engage in a lot of speculation when writing about American politics. (Truth be known, American writers do, too.) It always seems to me those Europeans are engaged in a game, trying to guess what animal has been stuffed into a gunny sack by feeling of that animal through the fabric of the sack.


28 posted on 08/20/2011 11:39:18 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: jocon307

I didn’t think it was quite barf worthy, but there is a lot of convoluted crap in there.

But what do I know? I’m just your stereotypical angry white guy.


29 posted on 08/20/2011 11:44:48 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Typical sneering, condescending hit-piece on U.S. conservatives from the far-left Guardian (U.K.). The gist of this Euroleft tripe is that Europeans are brilliant and unabashedly leftist (and we see how well that worked out). According to the Guardian piece, to their discredit, Americans are less liberal than Europeans but with the election of Obama, showed some promise. As Obama stumbled attempting to 'transform' prosperous, free America into bankrupt, Nanny-state Europe, (according to this article) the insane right-wing (conservatives) formed the TEA party (a state of mind, not a literal political party) and by dominating the Republican party and with their candidate, e.g. Sarah Palin (they hate her guts) possibly winning the next presidential election, may bring America back to prosperity by once again embracing free market capitalism and respecting our constitution. That would be horrible.

Well, if you're a delusional hard-core European leftist, it might seem to be. We disagree. The Guardian can take their European snobbery, their utterly failed left-wing governments, their bankrupt societies and their complete irrelevance in the world today and stuff it. This is America. We laugh out loud at the pseudo-sophistication of bankrupt Europe and their pathetic ridiculous pretensions. America will surmount the dismal results of a four-year experiment in left-wing policies manifested by the worst president in modern U.S. history, Barack Hussein Obama. The oh-so brilliant, 'progressive' European leaders will soon come calling on America with their hands outstretched and cupped, seeking financial succor from the 'dumb' Americans they now sneer at as they wring their hands over the very thought that a conservative may be elected and repair the damage done by Barack Hussein Obama. I'm sure President Palin will be happy to remind them of their disdainful attitude toward conservatives when she greets them at the White House in 2013.

30 posted on 08/20/2011 11:55:27 AM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: smokingfrog

So good of the Leftist rag, The Guardian, to worry about our Republican candidates. Britain doesn’t have anything to write about, I suppose...other than the marauding hordes of yobs burning the cities and the Muslims planning their next attack on their clueless population.

Fix your own problems, Limey, before you criticize U.S.


31 posted on 08/20/2011 11:59:11 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: smokingfrog
""The Tea Party's generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government," conclude political scientists David Campbell and Robert Putnam, "but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God into government.""

That's a damn lie.

Social Conservatives are, in fact, upset with the Tea Party for their refusal to adopt social issues...or even allow their advocacy at organized rallies.

Let there be no doubt, the goal of the left is to associate the "Tea Party" with the Evangelical Right, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann.

It is also their goal to drive a wedge between Rick Perry and the GOP base on the immigration issue (thus the amnesty announcement yesterday).

The Progressive Left wants to run against Romney...because they know the energized right will not turn out for him.

Their greatest fear is Palin and Perry.

To counter, Palin MUST get in the race over the next two weeks. And, Perry must disavow his amnesty positions and become a very strong "secure the border and throw them all out" advocate.

32 posted on 08/20/2011 11:59:56 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: junta
Must be a lib paper,

It has been the house organ of the the British Communist Party and other associated leftist sludge for well over a century.

33 posted on 08/20/2011 12:00:45 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: kittymyrib

Oh...and not one more taxpayer dollar should be siphoned out the the Federal Reserve’s empty tank to prop up European banks. We should pull the plug on these know-it-alls after wasting so much blood and treasure rescuing them from themselves the past hundred years.


34 posted on 08/20/2011 12:05:02 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: RobinOfKingston
Europeans engage in a lot of speculation when writing about American politics.

I've spent almost a year in England, have studied its literature and history, and know a number of English people personally.

I still would never pretend to fully grasp the intricacies of its internal politics and cultural debates.

Even if I made it my job to do so, I'd feel like a fraud because I'd miss most of the subtleties that can only be discerned by long and deep immersion in a culture.

I guess because they see so much of "America" on TV and in movies, they think they understand our culture.

It is quite arrogant and condescending.

35 posted on 08/20/2011 12:06:00 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: I see my hands; admin

How do you put someone on ignore?


36 posted on 08/20/2011 12:06:46 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Mariner

agreed

Hard to tell what Palin is going to do though. I have the feeling that Perry thinks or knows that Palin is not going to throw her hat in the ring. We shall see.


37 posted on 08/20/2011 12:15:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
America is a country of mad people governed by buffoons.

Gotta agree with that first sentence. I'm plenty mad and the president is a buffoon. Ditto for the Senate.

38 posted on 08/20/2011 12:15:32 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Brits think that the Simpsons are hilarious, because they think it represents the typical buffoonery of Americans.


39 posted on 08/20/2011 12:25:06 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: smokingfrog

Martin, you idiot, your dumbass country kicked Churchill out of office right after war (one of many in which us mad folks saved your asses). And you think we elect buffoons? Like that dumbass gordon brown? Have you even spoken to the working class Britons in the last ten years? They’re mad. Your country has turned against the moral foundations (and decent manners) that were a staple of common discourse 50 years ago and, furthermore, is being over-run by muslims who hate you. And why, because you wanted to teach the stubborn, old conservatives a thing or two about diversity.

Pffttt...you’re a sick people with no future. And for the majority of Britons, with whom you probably never speak, that’s very sad.

And you’re right, Obama “ain’t all that.” I never believed he was, not once. If you did, you’re a dummy.

Have a good day.


40 posted on 08/20/2011 12:29:00 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: buccaneer81
It has been the house organ of the the British Communist Party and other associated leftist sludge for well over a century.

Well, it's certainly been a liberal or radical or pro-Labour paper for that long (go back further and it represented the manufacturers of Manchester), but the house organ of the Communist Party of Britain is the Morning Star (formerly the Daily Worker).

41 posted on 08/20/2011 12:34:26 PM PDT by x
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To: richardtavor
If you read the article, you will find he says:

Sorry to spoil the party, but almost everything about this stereotypical view of the US is both patronising and, perhaps worse, wrong. Let's put some serious caveats out there. Let's admit that the Republican right is often very dynamic and effective, admit that Obama has often failed to leverage his power as effectively as he could have, admit that Americans have become increasingly sceptical of big government and worried about deficits, and admit that, in the light of the midterm elections and with the economy sliding, only a fool would dismiss the possibility of a Republican win in 2012. Look at the polls. Seven out of 10 Americans are currently unhappy with Obama's handling of the economy. His job approval ratings have just slumped to 40%. It has to improve if he is to win.

42 posted on 08/20/2011 12:35:38 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: x

You’re right. I stand corrected.


43 posted on 08/20/2011 12:43:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: smokingfrog

Kettle first paints an over-the-top parody of typical European views of America, then dismisses it as utter rubbish, as should be obvious to any thinking observer.

So far, so good.

However he then goes on to make one foolish assertion after another, with those assertions fitting quite comfortably within the boundaries of his earlier parody.

Can Kettle possibly be so self-unaware as to fall into such a trap of his own making? His own bias has seemingly overwhelmed any pretense of objectivity that he may have been able to muster.

His “analysis” is so far off the mark as to be laughable. His dismissal of the objectives of the Tea Party as little more than a cover for insinuating religion into government is just as absurd as the delusions of those who attempt to equate the Tea Party with the KKK.


44 posted on 08/20/2011 12:55:34 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: junta
Must be a lib paper...

The Guardian is what the New York Times yearns to become...

45 posted on 08/20/2011 1:20:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: gitmo
Yes, the prat does admit that the 'stereotypical' view is condescending, but then goes on to explain why Republicans are dangerous and ought to lose. Note that 'Obama has often failed to leverage his power as effectively as he could have'. This is the only thing that the Guardian has to say against the only president who is not a buffoon (the conscientious observer will note that this is not an area where the author believes the stereotype to be wrong.) I've read the article, and as a natural-born American, I'm insulted.
46 posted on 08/20/2011 1:35:45 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina.)
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Euro ankle biters—who here knows what they think? Who here cares what they think? Their day has past. Their childless future will be something between Clockwork Orange and the Northern Caliphate. They are, as the kids say, SO OVER!


47 posted on 08/20/2011 2:33:41 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: smokingfrog

“...but there is a lot of convoluted crap in there”

That’s a word for it. Maybe they just didn’t give it a good headline.

I mean, it seemed to me the guy said that the stereotype is that all our presidents since LBJ, ALL of the them have been “Buffoons” who command no respect in Europe and the American public are the mad people who elected them. I guess he means mad in the sense of crazy, not angry. Already he’s missing the point. (I actually don’t think the Brits ever say mad to mean angry, but I could be wrong.)

But, our author reassures us, this is incorrect, because in 2008 we elected the “incredibly cool, incredibly smart, incredibly articulate leader” Barack Hussein Obama mmmm mmmm mmmm.

BUT, and this is a big BUT, next year the mad people might beat out the sane (”sensible”) people and we might elect some religious maniac like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann.

Oddly he doesn’t mention the weirdo Mitt Romney or the other religious maniac Rick Perry.

So, quite frankly, I’m underwhelmed with this fellow’s understanding of American politics. Or even of his own mind, because it seems pretty clear that his only dispute about the idea of us being a nation of maniacs led by a series of clowns is that it’s a stereotype, he seems convinced it’s the TRUTH.

Evidently if we don’t have a young, slim, good looking, LIBERAL President who went to Harvard and whose wife likes expensive clothes, we ain’t got sh*t.

But, it’s good you posted it, because every thing like this that we read only strengthens our resolve.


48 posted on 08/20/2011 2:52:58 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: cranked

“I am about as mad as hell...2012 can not come soon enough!!! =.=”

Me, too!

Semper fi, cranked.


49 posted on 08/20/2011 4:31:50 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: butterdezillion

“If America would look at everything that’s been done to this once-great country since January of 2008 and choose another 4 years of this, this nation is beyond saving.”

Sad, but true. One can only hope that after the collapse, America can be resurrected like the mythical Phoenix and restored to what the Founders had envisioned.


50 posted on 08/20/2011 6:41:17 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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