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US voters are not mad. Our stereotype of them is patronising and wrong
guardian.co.uk ^ | 18 Aug 2011 | Martin Kettle

Posted on 08/20/2011 10:48:16 AM PDT by smokingfrog

America is a country of mad people governed by buffoons. That's the way a lot of Europeans are content to see it, no matter how much they love the US in other ways. A country of mad people because they are so religious, violent, overweight and in denial about things that look obvious from here but which the flag-wavers over there refuse to get. Governed by buffoons because, for the past half-century, from Lyndon Johnson to George W Bush, no US president was truly respected in much of this continent. Not even Reagan on the right or Clinton on the left. All of them, in various ways, were laughable.

That changed in 2008. With one mighty bound, the nation of mad people became a nation of visionaries, electing not a buffoon but an incredibly cool, incredibly smart, incredibly articulate leader who was so progressive and sensitive that, guess what, he might almost have been one of us. Except that, inconveniently, he wasn't. But that didn't matter. We gave him the Nobel peace prize when he'd only been in office for five minutes and drooled whenever he looked in our direction.

Now, with 15 months to go before the next US presidential election, a spectre is haunting Europe. The spectre is the possibility Barack Obama might not be re-elected. In fact it's more than that. It's the sense, among a lot of Europeans and a lot of progressives – US ones too – that Obama wasn't as great as he seemed and that, as a result, he has allowed the mad people to get their act together again and prepare to elect another buffoon next November. Prejudices confirmed. Comfort zone resumed.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: christianright; election2012; teaparty
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To: smokingfrog

What a condescending, piece of crap article this is. Oh and the author is a total buffoon.


21 posted on 08/20/2011 11:25:54 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry Europe that it took you so very long to see what we did.

Obama is an idiot.

He is beyond cretin.

He has no accomplishments.

He is a prime example of equal opportunity gone bad.

Please take him off our hands...and don’t let him return to the U.S.

I personally know a number of African Americans - all of which have PhDs in REAL subjects, and who actually got through school through their own accomplishments.

None think positively of the Obamaloon.

None.


22 posted on 08/20/2011 11:27:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: smokingfrog

Reading the comments, I thank God my relatives left that miserable dysfunctional hellhole that is Europe. (And yes, I have a passport and have visited the continent)

I can’t understand why so many in this country want to be like them - go back if you want European socialism, snobbery, and ignorance. They’ll obviously take anyone in these days, as long as you cop a superior attitude against anyone living in reality.

We should have let the Nazis and Ruskies have the place - think of the American lives and national treasure we would have saved. The end result would have been the same - just a different shade of socialism.

When are we going to bring our troops home - from Europe?


23 posted on 08/20/2011 11:28:40 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: smokingfrog

The Guardian is a Communist newspapers. Pure. And. Simple.


24 posted on 08/20/2011 11:29:50 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: smokingfrog

How can anyone think that Obama is not left enough? What did the leftist expect a complete Communist take over in just 2 years? He got through enough leftist legislation to ruin us, give it time,


25 posted on 08/20/2011 11:34:59 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: smokingfrog

What blows me away is the continuous string of arrogant european idiots who think they have half a clue about what motivates americans. I’m talking americans here, not liberals.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 11:35:35 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: cranked
How fascinating that this blast at US comes from a nation in the throes of SURRENDERING ITS HERITAGE TO ISLAM.

Fed up with Obama and Congress? SO AM I!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkyRZoHlTM

27 posted on 08/20/2011 11:36:22 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t know where Mr Kettle is from, I suspect he resides in Britain.

Europeans engage in a lot of speculation when writing about American politics. (Truth be known, American writers do, too.) It always seems to me those Europeans are engaged in a game, trying to guess what animal has been stuffed into a gunny sack by feeling of that animal through the fabric of the sack.


28 posted on 08/20/2011 11:39:18 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: jocon307

I didn’t think it was quite barf worthy, but there is a lot of convoluted crap in there.

But what do I know? I’m just your stereotypical angry white guy.


29 posted on 08/20/2011 11:44:48 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Typical sneering, condescending hit-piece on U.S. conservatives from the far-left Guardian (U.K.). The gist of this Euroleft tripe is that Europeans are brilliant and unabashedly leftist (and we see how well that worked out). According to the Guardian piece, to their discredit, Americans are less liberal than Europeans but with the election of Obama, showed some promise. As Obama stumbled attempting to 'transform' prosperous, free America into bankrupt, Nanny-state Europe, (according to this article) the insane right-wing (conservatives) formed the TEA party (a state of mind, not a literal political party) and by dominating the Republican party and with their candidate, e.g. Sarah Palin (they hate her guts) possibly winning the next presidential election, may bring America back to prosperity by once again embracing free market capitalism and respecting our constitution. That would be horrible.

Well, if you're a delusional hard-core European leftist, it might seem to be. We disagree. The Guardian can take their European snobbery, their utterly failed left-wing governments, their bankrupt societies and their complete irrelevance in the world today and stuff it. This is America. We laugh out loud at the pseudo-sophistication of bankrupt Europe and their pathetic ridiculous pretensions. America will surmount the dismal results of a four-year experiment in left-wing policies manifested by the worst president in modern U.S. history, Barack Hussein Obama. The oh-so brilliant, 'progressive' European leaders will soon come calling on America with their hands outstretched and cupped, seeking financial succor from the 'dumb' Americans they now sneer at as they wring their hands over the very thought that a conservative may be elected and repair the damage done by Barack Hussein Obama. I'm sure President Palin will be happy to remind them of their disdainful attitude toward conservatives when she greets them at the White House in 2013.

30 posted on 08/20/2011 11:55:27 AM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: smokingfrog

So good of the Leftist rag, The Guardian, to worry about our Republican candidates. Britain doesn’t have anything to write about, I suppose...other than the marauding hordes of yobs burning the cities and the Muslims planning their next attack on their clueless population.

Fix your own problems, Limey, before you criticize U.S.


31 posted on 08/20/2011 11:59:11 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: smokingfrog
""The Tea Party's generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government," conclude political scientists David Campbell and Robert Putnam, "but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God into government.""

That's a damn lie.

Social Conservatives are, in fact, upset with the Tea Party for their refusal to adopt social issues...or even allow their advocacy at organized rallies.

Let there be no doubt, the goal of the left is to associate the "Tea Party" with the Evangelical Right, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann.

It is also their goal to drive a wedge between Rick Perry and the GOP base on the immigration issue (thus the amnesty announcement yesterday).

The Progressive Left wants to run against Romney...because they know the energized right will not turn out for him.

Their greatest fear is Palin and Perry.

To counter, Palin MUST get in the race over the next two weeks. And, Perry must disavow his amnesty positions and become a very strong "secure the border and throw them all out" advocate.

32 posted on 08/20/2011 11:59:56 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: junta
Must be a lib paper,

It has been the house organ of the the British Communist Party and other associated leftist sludge for well over a century.

33 posted on 08/20/2011 12:00:45 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: kittymyrib

Oh...and not one more taxpayer dollar should be siphoned out the the Federal Reserve’s empty tank to prop up European banks. We should pull the plug on these know-it-alls after wasting so much blood and treasure rescuing them from themselves the past hundred years.


34 posted on 08/20/2011 12:05:02 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: RobinOfKingston
Europeans engage in a lot of speculation when writing about American politics.

I've spent almost a year in England, have studied its literature and history, and know a number of English people personally.

I still would never pretend to fully grasp the intricacies of its internal politics and cultural debates.

Even if I made it my job to do so, I'd feel like a fraud because I'd miss most of the subtleties that can only be discerned by long and deep immersion in a culture.

I guess because they see so much of "America" on TV and in movies, they think they understand our culture.

It is quite arrogant and condescending.

35 posted on 08/20/2011 12:06:00 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: I see my hands; admin

How do you put someone on ignore?


36 posted on 08/20/2011 12:06:46 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Mariner

agreed

Hard to tell what Palin is going to do though. I have the feeling that Perry thinks or knows that Palin is not going to throw her hat in the ring. We shall see.


37 posted on 08/20/2011 12:15:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
America is a country of mad people governed by buffoons.

Gotta agree with that first sentence. I'm plenty mad and the president is a buffoon. Ditto for the Senate.

38 posted on 08/20/2011 12:15:32 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Brits think that the Simpsons are hilarious, because they think it represents the typical buffoonery of Americans.


39 posted on 08/20/2011 12:25:06 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: smokingfrog

Martin, you idiot, your dumbass country kicked Churchill out of office right after war (one of many in which us mad folks saved your asses). And you think we elect buffoons? Like that dumbass gordon brown? Have you even spoken to the working class Britons in the last ten years? They’re mad. Your country has turned against the moral foundations (and decent manners) that were a staple of common discourse 50 years ago and, furthermore, is being over-run by muslims who hate you. And why, because you wanted to teach the stubborn, old conservatives a thing or two about diversity.

Pffttt...you’re a sick people with no future. And for the majority of Britons, with whom you probably never speak, that’s very sad.

And you’re right, Obama “ain’t all that.” I never believed he was, not once. If you did, you’re a dummy.

Have a good day.


40 posted on 08/20/2011 12:29:00 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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