Posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
Although most abortions are performed for birth control, they are by no means contraceptive. Abortion involves ending the life of a developing human being by a number of surgical and medical techniques.
Using abortion as birth control means that abortion is being used as a back-up method to ineffective or improperly used contraception, or no contraception is being used at all.
I could not agree more. But none of this is the result of the employment of contraception in a responsible marriage, which is where I jumped into all of this.
Now, if you want to go back to free-spending liberals, and their willingness to use our money to fund the agenda of the NEA, and all of that go for it. No one watching what just happened in Wisconsin can have any use for teachers unions anyway.
You see how much argument can be ended by an effort to be clear and accurate and intellectually forthright especially on such an emotionally fraught issue.
Yes. It does. It gives a false sense of security. I posted statistics with links in post 466.
The Guttmacher report shows “54 percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method *usually condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant.” These figures are similar to those of a report in Spain showing abortions doubling despite increased family planning promotion.
Who's having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women;Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.
They believe that they are "safe" because they use contraceptives. They aren't.
There is almost no aspect of child rearing that I have missed out on except the unalloyed joy have having twice as many as I could possibly provide for.
Statistics show that less than 20% of marrieds have abortions. It's the singles that are the problem. I remember going to a doctor as a young married and he asked if I was married. Otherwise I wasn't getting a contraceptive. That should have never changed. Young people have replaced bowling with sex.
Now now! You said you were never happy about a diaper. And I told you of my joyous occasion. There have been a few times that I wanted to celebrate!
So ignorance about contraception, and the unwillingness to live with the "consequences" causes abortion. We are back to that personal responsibility thing again, along with the vicious mis-information spread by the NEA.
While I have become awfully skeptical of the "statics show" arguments on this thread, this is one that I can accept, although I would be interested to know all the qualifications on the "less than 20%" number and what the real number is.
Nevertheless, we are beginning to get somewhere in attacking the real issues, wanton sex by young folks further encouraged by misinformation about the consequences of pregnancy, the effectiveness and proper use of contraception, and the easy resort to abortion as a "cleanup" measure.
Yes. Most young people believe that failure rates are something that happens to someone else. Many women buy the liberal line that they can have sex "like a man"...consequence free. The answer is "not really".
For years women have been told that they can live consequence free and it's not true. They also believe it is their right. They have never heard about personal responsibility. It is a foreign concept.
I went to look something up regarding this squabble, and stumbled on this Time Magazine article from 1968 discussing Humanae Vitae: http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,902263,00.html
Perhaps the bias will be sufficient to sicken even birth control proponents.
That said, this encyclical makes clear that those of you who support birth control don’t even understand the issue.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
Nevertheless, we are beginning to get somewhere in attacking the real issues, wanton sex by young folks further encouraged by misinformation about the consequences of pregnancy, the effectiveness and proper use of contraception, and the easy resort to abortion as a "cleanup" measure.
That's it in a nutshell.
But [anticipating an argument with some of the other followers of this thread] this is not the immorality of inanimate objects and chemicals. It is the immorality, immaturity and irresponsibility of human beings acting within their free will, adults, who know better, as well as children.
Let me just state that you might try a slighly more persuasive and diplomatic tack to encourage those fundamentally disposed to disagree on this point. Saying that they/we cannot even understand will not help open ears to listen.
Second, I would find a different way of making your point than this article which makes it abundantly clear that a strong majority of the priesthood and of practicing Catholics could not understand the point either and that it created great dissention in the Church itself.
Do they? I'm 61. My adult children do not remember a time when there wasn't abortion on demand and readily available contraception. One night stands and shacking up have always been on TV (they think). Cosmopolitan magazine has always told single women "How to please a man". They know nothing else. Their parents MAY have taught them differently but pop culture told them their parents were antiques and not "progressive". Movies books and music taught them they don't have to respect their parents. Or believe them.
And you berate me for intemperate language. My! My!
I will concede the point. They don't!
30, 40 years ago I didn’t see what was happening. My kids (all adults lol) are conservative. But so many have been fooled.
“this article which makes it abundantly clear that a strong majority of the priesthood and of practicing Catholics could not understand the point either”
Good grief. That’s what you took away from that article?
That’s why I don’t bother to try persuasion. The reason you don’t understand is not that you’re stupid, nor even that you’re bigoted. If that were the case, something might be done.
You don’t understand because you refuse to understand, and I have no patience with that.
That’s why I don’t bother to try persuasion. The reason you don’t understand is not that you’re stupid, nor even that you’re bigoted. If that were the case, something might be done.
You don’t understand because you refuse to understand, and I have no patience with that.
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I think you give him too much credit.
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