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Our Gay-Marriage Experiment (Polls show that more Americans favor it now than 15 years ago)
National Review ^ | 08/22/2011 | Michael Barone

Posted on 08/22/2011 7:36:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
One reason is probably that as people learn that friends and relatives are gay, they become more sympathetic to gay rights.

Really? I had a childhood friend who in his 40's "came out." Left his wife and two kids, to shack up with his "boyfriend." 5 years later and he is on "partner" number 4 or 5 and acts like an total ass, some suspect he is on drugs, etc....

So he ruined his family and his life. I definitely became LESS sympathetic.

21 posted on 08/22/2011 8:15:44 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: SeekAndFind
Barone says that children raised by two homosexual parents do better in school than those children who are raised by a single parent. I say Bull $hit! The fact is that children of homosexuals nearly all 100% end up with severe emotional problems.
22 posted on 08/22/2011 8:20:00 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Barone is drinking the purple Kool Aid from the fag lobby.


23 posted on 08/22/2011 8:22:29 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind

Call their bluff and put it to a vote. all 31 of 31 states that held referendum and let the people decide soundly rejected perverted marriage, even the uber-liberal progressive peoples socialist utopia of California, twice! That’s why they need liberal legislators and activist liberal judges to foist the issue onto the public. Not to mention propaganda polls like the one that’s posted here..


24 posted on 08/22/2011 8:24:36 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Sacajaweau

you make a great point; to a liberal pollster, people want to seem open minded and they support gay marriage — but in the privacy of the voting booth in a referendum — it’s HELL NO. VERY GOOD POINT.


25 posted on 08/22/2011 8:25:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: SeekAndFind
That is why gays are asking and clamoring for changes to ADOPTION LAWS.

In NY hard to place black boys are now being adopted by "married" gay white dads. Someday the boys will write poetry like Barky:

Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine, and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me;

By Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

26 posted on 08/22/2011 8:28:52 AM PDT by Reeses (It's a safety net, not a hammock!)
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To: so_real

Yes, people do not know what “gay” sex entails. Maybe we should insist on calling it pan-sexuality because anything goes. And those who practice it are descending into a hell of their own making, dragging down the whole society. The most tragic victims are the vulnerable children of their own families, impressionable younger siblings, abandoned spouses, and the youngsters they entrap in their deadly lifestyle.


27 posted on 08/22/2011 8:29:47 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: SeekAndFind

You aren’t going to like what I have to say, but it is our fault. While we have been coming up with thoughtful analysis of the issue our children have been brainwashed with slogans repeated over and over in school and the media.

Think about it. How many people order a Coke because they have done an analysis of the ingredients and how many order it because “it’s the real thing” and “things go better with coke”?


28 posted on 08/22/2011 8:31:39 AM PDT by BUGSWOL (No one was ever burned at the stake for saying the Earth was flat)
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To: ReformationFan
"It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?"

-- George Washington, Farewell Address


29 posted on 08/22/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: heartwood

Agreed. But that’s been the goal of feminazism all along. To utterly destroy all male and female distinctives. I wouldn’t be surprised if they criminalize Father’s Day and Mother’s Day eventually.


30 posted on 08/22/2011 8:36:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: BUGSWOL
You aren’t going to like what I have to say, but it is our fault. While we have been coming up with thoughtful analysis of the issue our children have been brainwashed with slogans repeated over and over in school and the media.

Spot on. We had to deal with this "people should be free to marry whoever they want to" BS from our kids when we had to put them in government schools due to financial problems.

31 posted on 08/22/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by Marathoner (Government schools = Marxist indoctrination centers)
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To: Marathoner

When they say that to you, do you ever say back “Then people should be free to marry their brother or sister? If not, then why not?”


32 posted on 08/22/2011 9:13:30 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

One of the things that held this up in the 1980s and 1990s was the spread of HIV and Aid’s symptoms. I remember liberals joining gays in blaming Reagan and Pat Robertson for them giving each other Aids. Seeing gays killing themselves and blaming others was a huge turnoff for most.

But HIV drugs and the MSM and public schools and many gay oriented childrens TV shows have changed the political landscape on this, as all we hear about it is those ‘Same Sex partners just wanting to be happy like us’ stories on the news.

What tells me we lost on this? That FNC (Republican party TV) is not willing to get involved with issues like opposing DADT repeal. That is a bad sign because they are the key to anti-Democrat voters.


33 posted on 08/22/2011 9:21:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: SeekAndFind
But as one who favors same-sex marriage for reasons set out in Jonathan Rauch’s 2004 book Gay Marriage, I think the institution of the family is less threatened by a few people who want to get married than by the very many more people who get divorced or who have children without getting married at all.

Too bad Barone feels this way. He is usually right about so many things.

But he's so wrong here. The institution of the heterosexual marriage IS indeed very threatened and affected by gay marriage.

As general codes of masculinity erode, the heterosexual male loses his ability and the dedication necessary to be a strong husband and father. Homosexual propoganda speeds the process.

In other words, getting rid of gay activism and propoganda (and hopefully replacing it with positive messages about heterosexuality) would indeed strengthen the institution of the traditional family. Men need positive messages to succeed in marriage, not the negative garbage we get 24/7. Sexual license which erupted in the 60's has led us down the path to its inevitable end...acceptance of homosexuality. The whole movement of "free love", which of course includes homosexuality, destroys true family.

Barone...get with it!

34 posted on 08/22/2011 9:33:01 AM PDT by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind
In any case, we now have an experiment going on. Some 11 percent of Americans live in the six states and the District of Columbia that allow same-sex marriage. That would rise to 23 percent if California voters, who narrowly rejected it, switch.

Don't forget that states like Iowa were a victim of judicial activism. And NY accepted it AGAINST the voters' wishes.

I'm not sure if any State's referendum has succeeded. Even very liberal Hawaii has rejected gay marriage via referendum.

We had a Speaker of the House from San Francisco. This is what has caused the recent uptick in gay activism IMO. The gays feel empowered. But when the truth gets out that they are only 3% of the population, (and I think a few very sordid, high-profile gay scandals will hit the headlines before this is all over) I think the public is going to reverse course on this issue and stand against any further progress by the gay lobby. Can't come soon enough.

35 posted on 08/22/2011 9:38:52 AM PDT by what's up
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To: ReformationFan
When they say that to you, do you ever say back “Then people should be free to marry their brother or sister? If not, then why not?”

No, although I probably should have. What I did say is to remind them of what the Bible says about homosexuality (they were brought up in church), then when they objected to say to them, "Hey, if you've a problem with that take it up with Him, I'm just the messenger."

36 posted on 08/22/2011 10:39:26 AM PDT by Marathoner (Government schools = Marxist indoctrination centers)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Church Attendance In America Is Declining

Correlation?

Of course, especially considering ALL of the mainline/largest denominations, along with many of the "Emergant" Churches favor homosexual "rights."

Oddly enough too, as homosexual rights, and religious freedom CANNOT COEXIST.

37 posted on 08/22/2011 10:58:20 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Marathoner

That’s a good and true response. What I do not understand is how anyone who thinks marriage should be legally redefined from male/female to “gender-neutral” should have any problem with consensual incestuous and polygamous marriages.


38 posted on 08/22/2011 11:38:14 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: what's up
Too bad Barone feels this way. He is usually right about so many things.

It's just his personal opinion, not his political analysis, which is why I read him.

All of the cultural marxism since the 1960s is really taking a toll on the young.

39 posted on 08/22/2011 4:06:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: what's up
But he's so wrong here. The institution of the heterosexual marriage IS indeed very threatened and affected by gay marriage.

Which is the whole point.

"Gay marriage" </cant> has never been about marriage, it's always been about destroying marriage and the fact that it points powerfully, and with society's heavy sanction, toward the normality of heterosexual unions, which homosexuals hate because it throws in high relief their deviancy and perversion.

Gays hate marriage, they hate its indictment of homosexuality, and they have said so repeatedly in their lounges. Time to take them at their word and fight back.

Homosex is unnatural, perverted, and foul, and it undermines society.

40 posted on 08/22/2011 5:06:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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