Posted on 08/24/2011 8:03:36 AM PDT by gandalftb
That may be the most convoluted attempt at logical thought I’ve seen this month.
I thought Uncle Mo was pretty tight with Hugo and he’s already a pariah.
I don't wish any harm to come to him, but I do hope he realizes his lost position and dubious actions while he is there contemplating his life.
Qaddafi is crazy but he is not stupid, he knows it's the Hague if he's captured and life in prison. He won't go down like Saddam, Mubarak, Osama and Mladic. He will choose martyrdom.
If that is the case, he needs to brush up on that little thing about bearing false witness against your neighbor.
"We are going to take on the barbarism of war, the decadence of racism, and the scourge of poverty, that the Ku Klux -- I meant to say the Tea Party," Fauntroy told a news conference today at the National Press Club. "You all forgive me, but I -- you have to use them interchangeably."
Why should we tax payers pay for the stupid actions of American citizens?
This Lord Fauntleroy flying into the middle of a Middle Eastern war zone is like the American hikers that got nabbed on the Iranian border. I mean if you’re that stupid to go there it’s really hard to feel sorry for you. Darwin Award Nominees comes to mind here...
WRONG !!!
From:
http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/memberfaq.aspx
1. Who is a Member of Congress?
A Member of Congress is a person serving in the House of Representatives or the Senate. A Member of the House of Representatives is referred to as Representative or Congressman or Congresswoman, and a Member of the Senate is referred to as Senator.
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A Representative is a "Congressman", so says the Clerk of the House of Representatives ...
2. Who is a Delegate? A Resident Commissioner?
The Office of Delegate was established by ordinance from the Continental Congress (1774–1789) and confirmed by a law of Congress. From the beginning of the Republic, accordingly, the House has admitted delegates from Territories or districts organized by law. Congress created the post of resident commissioner in 1900 to apply to Puerto Rico; the Philippines were granted resident commissioners several years later. Since 1946, only Puerto Rico has had a resident commissioner.
In most respects, delegates and the resident commissioner possess the same powers as other Members of the House. On the House Floor, they can speak, introduce bills and resolutions and offer amendments. All serve on committees of the House and possess powers and privileges equal to other Members in committee. Delegates may also vote while the House of Representatives is conducting business as the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union. Unlike Members of the House, however, they may not vote when the House is meeting as the House of Representatives.
Currently, there is one delegate for each of the following: the District of Columbia, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands; as well as a resident commissioner from Puerto Rico. The formal duties of the delegates and the resident commissioner are identical; however, a delegate serves a two-year term, while a resident commissioner serves a four-year term.
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Show me where they are bestowed with the "honorific" - the Clerk of the House of Representatives CERTAINLY didn't bestow it ...
I am NOT including your post of the Clerk of the House of Representatives with this since I am posting the FULL citation, below.
DON’T cherry-pick citations with me - EVER !!! I will make you look foolish !!!
From http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/memberfaq.aspx
1. Who is a Member of Congress?
A Member of Congress is a person serving in the House of Representatives or the Senate. A Member of the House of Representatives is referred to as Representative or Congressman or Congresswoman, and a Member of the Senate is referred to as Senator.
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A Representative is a “Congressman”.
2. Who is a Delegate? A Resident Commissioner?
The Office of Delegate was established by ordinance from the Continental Congress (1774–1789) and confirmed by a law of Congress. From the beginning of the Republic, accordingly, the House has admitted delegates from Territories or districts organized by law. Congress created the post of resident commissioner in 1900 to apply to Puerto Rico; the Philippines were granted resident commissioners several years later. Since 1946, only Puerto Rico has had a resident commissioner.
In most respects, delegates and the resident commissioner possess the same powers as other Members of the House. On the House Floor, they can speak, introduce bills and resolutions and offer amendments. All serve on committees of the House and possess powers and privileges equal to other Members in committee. Delegates may also vote while the House of Representatives is conducting business as the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union. Unlike Members of the House, however, they may not vote when the House is meeting as the House of Representatives.
Currently, there is one delegate for each of the following: the District of Columbia, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands; as well as a resident commissioner from Puerto Rico. The formal duties of the delegates and the resident commissioner are identical; however, a delegate serves a two-year term, while a resident commissioner serves a four-year term.
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You posted “delegates and the resident commissioner possess the same powers as other Members of the House.”
The FULL quote includes the caveat “In most respects” AT THE BEGINNING OF THE QUOTE.
The ONLY time Delegates are equal to Members of the House of Representatives is when they:
“serve on committees of the House and possess powers and privileges equal to other Members in committee. Delegates may also vote while the House of Representatives is conducting business as the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union.”
That's actually a 1770 Gainsborough portrait, thought to be of Jonathan Buttall, son of a London hardware merchant.
This is Little Lord Fauntleroy, by Reginald Birch, the original illustrator:
Birch wasn't very fair to the kid, made him look too effeminate - if you actually read the book, he was a small but very brave and manly little boy. I think he is 6 or 7 at the time the book begins.
So, while they are calling for prayers for the press corps, Bloomy is banning all prayers and Christian ministers from the 9/11 celebration.
No, Blue boy,
I posted what I believed to be salient. You are always free to counter with your own facts and opinions.
Speaking of which, how do you interpret the following: "as other Members". There is no qualification or separate distinction there. Delegates are being referred to as equals in a very broad sense. Other statements qualify and limit Delegates, that statement obviously does not.
What distinguishes the degree of membership is whether the congressional activity is being conducted by the Committee of the Whole House or by the elected House of Representatives.
In regards to House of Representative committee tasks, they are members and can call themselves Congressmen.
Here is the link to the current DC Delegate, Congresswoman Elanor Holmes Norton:
http://www.norton.house.gov/
You make not like the fact that your government calls her a Congresswoman, but they clearly do. Good enough for me.
Do your own research before you opine and you won't nitpick yourself into a corner on FR. Not many lightweights hang around here for long.
Irrespective of what the House Clerk’s website says, current and former members of the U.S. House of Representatives, including Delegates and Resident Commissioners, have been using the honorific “Congressman” for decades. It is not a formal honorific, and one should address, say, Paul Ryan as “The Honorable Paul Ryan, Member of the U.S. House of Representatives” instead of “Congressman Paul Ryan,” but the latter is the one usually used. Here’s what Wikipedia says about the practice:
“Titles
Representatives use the prefix “The Honorable” before their names. A member of the House is referred to as a “Representative,” “Congressman,” or “Congresswoman.” While Senators are technically “Congressmen” or “Congresswomen,” that term is generally used to refer to Members of the House of Representatives exclusively. The Delegates and the Resident Commissioner use the same styles and titles as Members of the House.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives#Titles
Based on his remarks...Keep him.
No loss. Elevated himself to POS Status.
Just because they have been using the "honorific" DOESN'T mean it is so ...
By your reasoning, I could refer to myself as the King of France ...
You are rationalizing, rationalizing, rationalizing - hell, YOU TOO could be a Democrat ...
And I see that you have referred to that REVERED scholarly tome - Wikipedia [which can be edited AND re-edited by ANY nincompoop] as your SUPREME source ...
Since you INSIST on acting like a child, I will refer you to the KIDS IN THE HOUSE web site of the Clerk of the House of Representatives:
http://kids.clerk.house.gov/high-school/lesson.html?intID=36
Delegates and Resident Commissioners
Like Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners represent their constituents in the U.S. House of Representatives. Although they are afforded many of the same rights and responsibilities as Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are not considered Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and, therefore, are not included in the Member-count of 435.
Oooooh !!! NOT considered members, MY - I would NEVER have guessed ...
Office of the Delegate
Delegates have served in the U.S. House of Representatives since the late 1700’s. The office of the Delegate was established by the Continental Congress through the Northwest Ordinance of 1787. The Ordinance established a government for the territory northwest of the Ohio River and created the position of Delegate. Although it created the position, the Ordinance did not outline the duties, privileges, and obligations of the position. In fact, the original legislation did not even designate which Chamber of Congress Delegates should belong to. After debate between the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, and it was eventually decided that all Delegates should serve in the U.S. House of Representatives.
Delegates, elected every two years, represent incorporated territories. Currently, there is one Delegate each from the District of Columbia, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.
Office of the Resident Commissioner
The role of Resident Commissioner was created by Congress in 1900, after securing Puerto Rico and the Philippines as territories during the Spanish-American War of 1898. Following the precedent set by Delegates, Resident Commissioners were added to the roster of the U.S. House of Representatives. Although treated similarly to Delegates, Resident Commissioners were not granted the right to speak on the House floor or serve on committees until 1904. Before that time, they were only able to discuss legislation with Members in their private quarters or committee rooms.
Resident Commissioners, elected every four years, represent unincorporated territories. While the Philippines initially sent a Resident Commissioner to Congress, the only Resident Commissioner in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1946 has been from Puerto Rico.
Oooooh !!! Resident Commissioners MUST be TWICE as good as MERE Delegates AND Representatives since they HAVE 4-year terms ...
Responsibilities
The U.S. Constitution makes no provision for territorial representation and early laws providing for territorial Delegates to Congress did not specify the duties, privileges, and obligations of the office. Over time, their responsibilities have become very similar to Members and include:
•Representing constituents in Congress by acting as an ambassador for the industries and products of their territory and advocating on behalf of its economic needs and political interests.
•Serving constituents by communicating with them, assisting them in obtaining Federal benefits and grants, and seeking Federal funds for local projects and programs.
•Debating and updating legislation in committees, and questioning witnesses in committee hearings.
•Participating in floor debate, offering amendments to bills, and planning legislative and political strategies with their colleagues.
•Managing their district and Washington, D.C. offices, including overseeing personnel.
•Raising money to campaign for re-election, deciding on campaign strategies, and supporting candidates for local and state political offices.
Differences from Members
While Delegates and Resident Commissioners share many of the same rights and responsibilities as Members, there are a few distinct differences between the roles.
Unlike Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, rather, the roles were created through statutes. Because the roles are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution and the responsibilities were left largely undefined, the duties and rights of Delegates and Resident Commissioners have, historically, been a topic of debate amongst Congress.
Delegates and Resident Commissioners do not vote on the House floor. Although they are able to introduce bills and make amendments to them on the House floor, in addition to voting on them in Committees, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are unable to vote for or against passing legislation. The U.S. Constitution grants all legislative powers to the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives. Although voting rights for Delegates and Resident Commissioners has been debated many times on the House floor, a single line of text from the U.S. Constitution continually prevents them from receiving the privilege.
Members opposed to allowing Delegates and Resident Commissioners to vote on the House floor use Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which defines that the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives “shall be…chosen every second Year by the People of the several States.” Because Delegates and Resident Commissioners represent territories rather than states, they are not given the power to pass or reject legislation.
Election cycles between Members, Delegates, and the Resident Commissioner also differ. Members and Delegates are up for election every two years, while the Resident Commissioner is up for election every four years. Initially, the Resident Commissioner served a two year term similar to Members and Delegates but Congress later extended it to a four year term at the request of the Puerto Rican government.
Now there's gonna be a test on this tomorrow - study hard, have some cookies and milk, and get a good nighty-night's sleep ...
You need to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed in the morning ...
Did anyone ever tell you that you’re an ass?
Constantly - but that doesn't diminish the fact that you are a pompous blowhard who cannot or will not admit that you are wrong ...
Unlike you, I DO my research before opening my yap [usually] ...
Face it - You got pwned ...
Update:
The press corps and Congressman Fauntleroy left the Hotel Rixos at 1500 GMT. Qaddafi loyalists abandoned the hotel due to pressure from the rebels. They have moved to the Corinthia Bab Africa Hotel.
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