Posted on 08/24/2011 8:03:36 AM PDT by gandalftb
You said that to me and then later you post this juvenile response to others.
There is only ridicule and isolation waiting when you insult and belittle others.
Make your point, back it up, politely. Be warned, you can get banned.
Do your own research post it in whatever context you wish, and you won't have to worry about being cherry-picked, which I did not do.
So I suppose that there is no difference in the quote you posted:
"delegates and the resident commissioner possess the same powers as other Members of the House" [which you posted]
And what I posted:
"In most respects, delegates and the resident commissioner possess the same powers as other Members of the House." [which I posted]
The phrase "In most respects" QUALIFIES the succeeding clause. And cherry-picking is colloquially defined as "selectively choosing [the most beneficial items] from what is available" - which is what you did.
Speaking of which, how do you interpret the following: "as other Members". There is no qualification or separate distinction there. Delegates are being referred to as equals in a very broad sense. Other statements qualify and limit Delegates, that statement obviously does not.
That being said, the Clerk of the House of Representatives "Kids In The House" web site says this:
Delegates and Resident Commissioners
Like Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners represent their constituents in the U.S. House of Representatives. Although they are afforded many of the same rights and responsibilities as Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are not considered Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and, therefore, are not included in the Member-count of 435.
Seems to me like this says it all ...
What distinguishes the degree of membership is whether the congressional activity is being conducted by the Committee of the Whole House or by the elected House of Representatives.
In regards to House of Representative committee tasks, they are members and can call themselves Congressmen.
Continuing from Kids In The House web site:
Differences from Members
While Delegates and Resident Commissioners share many of the same rights and responsibilities as Members, there are a few distinct differences between the roles.
Unlike Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, rather, the roles were created through statutes. Because the roles are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution and the responsibilities were left largely undefined, the duties and rights of Delegates and Resident Commissioners have, historically, been a topic of debate amongst Congress.
Delegates and Resident Commissioners do not vote on the House floor. Although they are able to introduce bills and make amendments to them on the House floor, in addition to voting on them in Committees, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are unable to vote for or against passing legislation. The U.S. Constitution grants all legislative powers to the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives. Although voting rights for Delegates and Resident Commissioners has been debated many times on the House floor, a single line of text from the U.S. Constitution continually prevents them from receiving the privilege.
Members opposed to allowing Delegates and Resident Commissioners to vote on the House floor use Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which defines that the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives “shall be…chosen every second Year by the People of the several States.” Because Delegates and Resident Commissioners represent territories rather than states, they are not given the power to pass or reject legislation.
The Clerk of the House of Repressentatives is VERY clear, Delegates and Resident Commissioners ARE different from Members.
Here is the link to the current DC Delegate, Congresswoman Elanor Holmes Norton:
http://www.norton.house.gov/
You make not like the fact that your government calls her a Congresswoman, but they clearly do. Good enough for me.
Pullese - DON'T get me started on Eleanor, I live right outside DC. She has been a pain in the ass for years.
Just because she calls herself a Congresswoman doesn't make her one. From the Clerk of the House of Representatives main web site:
"A Member of Congress is a person serving in the House of Representatives or the Senate. A Member of the House of Representatives is referred to as Representative or Congressman or Congresswoman, and a Member of the Senate is referred to as Senator."
Put this paragraph together with the Kids In the House quote [from way above]:
"Although they are afforded many of the same rights and responsibilities as Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners are not considered Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and, therefore, are not included in the Member-count of 435."
These two paragraphs say it all - a Member of the House of Representatives is referred to as Representative, Congressman, or Congresswoman. And, although having many of the same rights as Members, Delegates and Resident Commissioners ARE NOT considered Members.
ADDITONALLY, OF COURSE Eleanor calls herself a Congresswoman - due to the fact that DC WANTS full voting representation in Congress. It is political posturing ...
Do your own research before you opine and you won't nitpick yourself into a corner on FR.
I DO do my research. You cannot call it nitpicking to when one finds OFFICIAL documentation that refutes your arguments.
Not many lightweights hang around here for long.
First, I'm not a lightweight. Second, I may have ONLY been posting for three years, but I lurked for a decade. Before Obama was elected, I never had the urged to post.
Many times my posts are humorous [or at least I thinnk so], but when I get on a serious kick - I am methodical ...
As for the "I will make you look foolish !!!" comment to you - I meant that I had done the research ...
If it ain't in the Constitution, it ain't in legislation, and it ain't in the Rules of the House - Delegates and Resident Commisioners are not "Congressmen" or "Congresswomen" ...
>> If it ain’t in the Constitution <<
So please tell all of us EXACTLY where in the Constitution you see the word “congressman.” I can’t find it there.
Its not in the Constitution - true, BUT it is on the Clerk of the House of Representatives web site ...
Congressman/woman being a duly elected Member [thats the operative word] of the aHouse of Representatives ....
>> So please tell all of us EXACTLY where in the Constitution you see the word “congressman.” I can’t find it there <<
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The word is “Representative” or “Senator,” the two types of congressman.
If you are not one of those, then you are not a congressman.
I think this guy is a well known gay, like the late Congressman Parren Mitchell. If you look at his picture, you can kind of tell.
You are correct Members of both Houses are "Congressmen/women" ...
However, the Senate has always insisted that the word "Senator" be used [what a bunch of snobs] ...
The House, OTOH, uses the words "Representative" or "Congressman/woman" ...
In ANY case, per the Clerk of the House of Representatives, in order to be called "Congressman/woman", one MUST be a Member of the House. A Member of the House is defined as a duly elected Representative from one of the 50 states, as per the Constitution ...
Fauntroy was a PLO Lobby supporter (i.e. The Palestine Human Rights Campaign), among other pro-PLO activities & groups he associated with.
The man is very nice personally, but a perfect dupe for any leftist or pro-Arab cause.
http://www.house.gov/representatives/
It says as follows:
"Also referred to as a congressman or congresswoman, each representative is elected to a two-year term serving the people of a specific congressional district."
Delegates are elected Representatives but not elected by people in one of the 50 United States.
Our Congressional House of Representatives, paid for by our tax dollars, calls them all congressman or congresswoman.
Like it or not, Congress calls them that. Further discussion is pointless.
http://www.house.gov/representatives/
It says as follows:
"Also referred to as a congressman or congresswoman, each representative is elected to a two-year term serving the people of a specific congressional district."
Delegates are elected Representatives but not elected by people in one of the 50 United States.
Our Congressional House of Representatives, paid for by our tax dollars, calls them all congressman or congresswoman.
Like it or not, Congress calls them that. Further discussion is pointless.
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Close, but no cigar - however, you do get props for trying ...
The operative phrase is "specific congressional district" ...
If you check the ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, Polidata, or any other trustworthy web site - you will find that Washington DC and the territories are EXCLUDED from "congressional districts". That is because they are at-large districts with NO CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATION ...
Now, I am using your OWN quote against you - so you can't say that I didn't play fair ...
But you DID make a good attempt at bootstrapping your way through the back door ...
Why do so many people ignore the obvious? Liberalism and Christianity are incomparable. You are one or the other. Liberal doctrine is 100% at odds with Christianity.
People can call themselves anything under the sun. But words, as well as actions, mean things. If you act like a liberal, support liberal ideals, side with liberals and act on the behalf of other liberals, you are, by definition, not a christian. “Christian” reverends, ministers et all preaching liberal doctrine are anything but. Isn’t it time for people of faith to defend that faith from them regardless of their color? The world needs less recognition of the Jackson/Sharpton/Wright types as legitimate “men of faith.
I consider myself to be christian and it irks me to no end that so few of us will ever stand up to these liars and publicly call them what they are, hopefully helping to prevent giving them any more ‘power’ they have no authority to possess.
/rant)
I was checking Google for libya news and saw one story to th effect that the people at the hotel had been rescued. Fauntroy was the first elected mayor of DC when the city received limited home rule. 500,000 citizens pay full taxes and have no vote in Congress. Would FReepers put up with that if they lived in DC??
Meanwhile, Gaddafi and his supporters are fighting back.
It will be a while before rebels have a clear victory. Anything Fauntroy or others can do to bring a quick end to the conflict is good. One item of note, it is several wealty Libyan businessmen who have raised the $1.7 million reward to get Gaddafi.
I’m curious, just what do you mean by “final victory”?
I said “clear victory” not “final victory.” I would say a clear victory would be when all but scattered occasional violence from Gaddafi’s supporters was over in the major cities, and when most of the oil production facilities could be repaired and put back into production. Thus, when it was safe in most areas for the foreign workers, that were desired by the Libyans, to come back to work there.
This fighting back thing is headed toward the next phase. Those who will be in the path of the fighting will need to flee. It will take a long time (regrettably) to heal Libya.
Read, on the main board, that NATO is offering intelligence to rebel to find qudaffi. qudaffi has a two million dollar bounty (dead or alive) on his head (heard AM on broadcast TV).
I agree it will be awhile before there is a clear winner in Libya. Expecting much more bloodshed. Also heard (broadcast TV) the interim government is having difficulty making its way to Tripoli. Wonder what that is all about? Have not research that bit of information, thus nothing more to add at this point.
Thanks for the ping gleeaikin.
In looking, those typed words maybe was incorrect. Info looks to be from AP. May not have been posted yet on main board. I will find and post a link. My apology for the misinformation.
Note paragraphs 3, 4, and 5 ... http://news.yahoo.com/libya-rebels-fight-capture-loyalist-held-cities-112714723.html
POS
Leave him in Tripoli. And don't risk the life of one soldier to rescue him.
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