Skip to comments.Diet May Be Enough For Cholesterol Problems; Avoid Statin Side Effects
Posted on 08/24/2011 1:47:24 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
New research demonstrates that a diet based around plants, nuts and high-fiber grains lowered "bad" cholesterol more than a low-saturated-fat diet that was also vegetarian, meaning that one's dietary changes could be an alternative to statin medications for many people saving persons from some devastating side effects of the medications.
After six months, people on the low-saturated-fat diet saw a drop in LDL cholesterol of 8 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL), on average, according to findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association. (excerpted)
(Excerpt) Read more at medicalnewstoday.com ...
Good, now can we put the fat back in all our foods (especially our McDonalds french fries) because half of my favorite foods taste like cardboard now.
There was an interesting article posted yesterday, too. “Greater Decrease in LDL Levels Found In Diets Combining Cholesterol-Lowering Foods (nuts, plant sterols, etc.) Than In Low Saturated Fat Diets” http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/233219.php
I wonder how many people know that statins can cause severe muscle pain. I had reached the point that I wanted to cut off my arms because of the pain before a friend asked me if I was taking cholesterol medicine and advised me to stop. I wish I had never touched that poison.
Well, and before you go on a drug always have your bloodwork redone. My husband went to the doctor, his numbers were slightly high, the doctor wanted to put him right on meds. I said, no, I don’t think so (he had NEVER been high before).
I sent him to MY doctor, the bloodwork was redone and guess what? His numbers were FINE. And they have been fine ever since.
“... can cause severe muscle pain”
My husband took statins for a short time. He felt like he was “coming down with the flu”. Just a sick, weak feeling. Finally, he used the fish oil pills and his cholesterol is good (and his blood pressure decreased). I know a lot of people feel ill with that type of medicine!
My neighbor’s knees were killing her. She thought she would be looking at a surgical solution. However, recently, she ran out of her cholesterol medicine and didn’t have the money to get it refilled. In less than a week the knee pain went away!
I cut my dose in half and the pain went away.
Yep. I get that reaction from every statin on the market.
Guess what? Niacin works.
This effects a small group of people that use statins. Doctors advise people who experience these symptoms to stop the drug immediately. There are other drugs/statins that you could take that don't have this side effect for you. Your doctor should have advised you of this when proscribing the medication.
In my experience its not the dietary fat that’s the problem, it’s the carbs.
My cholesterol was 230 when I went low carb. After six months on it it dropped to 156 - NO MEDS.
And that was eating 2 eggs a day, normal amounts of meat, fish, chicken, cheese, lots of vegetables. Just no starch, no sugar, and a modest amount of fruit.
Excess carbs, if your body can’t handle them (as many can’t) causes excess insulin release which causes weight gain and inflammation.
Cholesterol is “body spackle” - its produced in response to injury and inflammation to help patch things up.
If you have a body chemistry like mine and address the root cause of why the cholesterol is being produced, the blood levels drop like a rock.
My asthma and arthritis also got markedly better- a sign of reduced inflammation.
I wouldn’t touch statins with a 10 foot pole, after what I saw happen to my own body. And that goes for the low-fat diets too (which are carb-heavy and shoot insulin levels through the roof).
Mean while my doctor is getting harassed by my Insurance Company to put me on Statins under the National Recommendations that are coming out of the Department of Health.....they know where to stick it
My Doctor is incensed, he knows my history best ... he recommends that I do not take statins .. he is my doctor but he says because of the agreement with the Insurance company he has to tell me so I can get a second opinion
When will they learn to butt out?
Omega 3 fish oil. Just pop those pills and it WILL lower your cholesterol. I pop about 4 per day and despite having a high fat diet, my cholesterol level is LOW.
Body spackle—a great image!
This would be significant if cholesterol was the problem, IT IS NOT!
I read an interesting book by Dr. H. Gilbert Welch called “Over-diagnosed: Making People Sick in the Pursuit of Health”. It appears to be a numbers game. He uses the example of changing the Diabetic threshold from a Fasting Blood Sugar of 140 to 126. Bam! Overnight, you have 1.6 million new diabetic patients. He also looks at High Blood Pressure thresholds, osteoporsis, etc. Thought provoking book.
I still experiment with differnt things, so that my kids will have some kind of idea what works for us.
Fix the problem and your high cholesterol goes back to normal.
Interesting. And not surprising. If you can tweak the numbers and get new customers it pays off. It makes sense to shop for doctors who see you as more than a meal ticket, which can be tough. And of course to do your own research and take your own health into your own hands. Too many people don’t know anything about their own *machine*.
“Yep. I get that reaction from every statin on the market.
Guess what? Niacin works.”
me too. i started niacin and red rice yeast and it was slowly dropping. in march went on SPARKPEOPLE, really watched how much i ate (and snacked) and got at least 5 hours of biking, racquetball, walking, and/or yoga. i cook so i ate well but watched portions and did a lot of seafood and chicken and very little bread (because i didn’t want to waste my calories there). lost 22 pounds today amd my total dropped from 210 to 170 everything else went down a lot, hdl is in the 70s and i have a new way of eating that isn’t a diet and easy to sustain. shooting for 190 by thanksgiviing.
>>> Over the last 10 years of experimentation, I have found only one thing that makes a real difference....Statins. I think for many people, they are the best “solution”, that is, if you consider your cholesterol to be a problem. We simply make more in our bodies than others do. It is genetic, and runs in families.
The pendulum swings from genetic to environmental(ie food intake) statins are like a life-saver for those who have no other recourse to genetic predisposition. My Point, I agree with you fully.
I use a “no flush” timed release niacin.
Got lots of experience with the flushes during the Purification Rundown back in my misspent Scientology days.
Niacin comes in a couple forms. The only one that causes flushing is the nicotinic acid form. This is the one that is most effective lowering cholesterol.
If you take that form, BE CAREFUL!
I ran out and drove to the health food store to get more. After I got back in the car, I took 1/2 a tab (abt 250 mg).
Dropped my blood pressure so fast I almost passed out, good thing I wasn’t driving yet!
I will say, though, that pix like that don't do a thing for my blood pressure. I don't think it's the beer.
Try Krill oil, it’s wonderful.
I pop 4 of those a day and my cholesterol is still high.
Went on a near-no-saturated-fat diet. Lost 20 lbs fairly fast. THEN, after having my gall bladder yanked, found out rapid weight loss often causes serious gallstones.
Very common that a sufficient dose of CoQ10 will put a stop to the myalgias and myopathies, as long as the muscle involvement doesn’t involve Rhabdomyolysis (very serious).
For me 100 mg/day of Coenzyme Q10 does the trick. Prior to taking the CoQ10 (which is actually a vitamin), I had the arm pain also. Once during that time I foolishly tried to throw my kids a softball. I ended up down on the grass in intense pain — arm and shoulder. However, taking CoQ10 has completely eliminated that even though I have gone up in statin dosage.
Veggies-related dietary changes for me are pretty much out of the question (unless confined to a padded room!) because I have always been a fast food kid and still am.
Cholesterol and triglycerides well under control with statin and fish oil.
>>>I just got out of the hospital yesterday diverticulitis attack first one ever,kinda scary, I now have to focus on a high fiber diet..
Been there, had that... most unpleasant. FiberONE cereal with a carton of sugar free fat free yogurt dumped on the cereal can get you fiber with some variety of flavor.
I am in my late 40’s. The whole family deals with high cholesterol. Even our vegetarian sister has elevated cholesterol levels.
In fact in nature, digestible carbs are rare. Potatoes have starches, fruit, when it is in season have sugars and some carbs.
But most carbs in nature are of the cellulose forms, complex long-chain polysacharides that pretty much just go right through you.
That’s why cows and termites have specialized bacteria in their gut.
I use an extended release form that you can get over the counter from Endurance Products. Found it as a result of a book I read by Robert Kowalski. I had no flushing and it has kept my cholesterol in check without the side effects I was having from a statin. Worth checking out for anyone on this board who needs some cholesterol reduction but is having trouble with a statin. I’m NOT a shill! Just someone with a genetic predisposition towards high cholesterol who ran into trouble with statins and ended up getting a reduction from the very, very old school niacin. Your mileage may vary.
I took them (zocor) for about 3 months and had total cholesterol levels of < 135, downside was that I would fall while walking for no apparent reason. I stopped taking zocor and now take 2 grams niacin and about 8.5 grams fish oil daily. Never felt better, cholesterol levels <185 and HDL levels have almost doubled. Been doing this for 3 years, and I haven’t fell once.
Two weeks ago, I went to have my blood work done again and my LDL number had dropped by 30 points. All of my numbers had dropped. I am healthier, and I actually feel a lot better. My stomach problems have reduced tremendously.
I had tried Atkins before, and had lost a lot of weight. But, when I tried bringing back the foods like rice or potatoes, I ended up gaining all the weight back, and then some. Taubes' book helped me understand how my body works and it explained a lot about how my body reacts to certain foods (or, really, over-reacts). I believe that this may be the way I have to eat for the rest of my life.
I don't think doctors or researchers really take into account the fact that people are different. For some, one diet may work, for others, another type of diet may be better.
Another book, if you haven’t already read it, is Gary Taubes’ “How We Get Fat”.
Neolithic agents of disease: N6 oils, grains/gluten & excess sugar (fructose).
This is not new information and if anyone wants large sample the largest dietary study ever conducted was done so in China.
Read about it here: http://www.thechinastudy.com/
I became Vegan about six months ago now and feel better than I have felt in a couple of decades...
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