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Diet May Be Enough For Cholesterol Problems; Avoid Statin Side Effects
Medical News Today ^ | 08/24/11 | Sy Kraft

Posted on 08/24/2011 1:47:24 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl

New research demonstrates that a diet based around plants, nuts and high-fiber grains lowered "bad" cholesterol more than a low-saturated-fat diet that was also vegetarian, meaning that one's dietary changes could be an alternative to statin medications for many people saving persons from some devastating side effects of the medications.

After six months, people on the low-saturated-fat diet saw a drop in LDL cholesterol of 8 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL), on average, according to findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association. (excerpted)

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Kind of a small study, but it makes sense. "They randomly split 351 Canadians with high cholesterol into three groups. One group got nutrition counseling promoting a low-saturated-fat diet for six months."
1 posted on 08/24/2011 1:47:33 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: TennesseeGirl

Good, now can we put the fat back in all our foods (especially our McDonalds french fries) because half of my favorite foods taste like cardboard now.


2 posted on 08/24/2011 1:51:33 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TennesseeGirl

There was an interesting article posted yesterday, too. “Greater Decrease in LDL Levels Found In Diets Combining Cholesterol-Lowering Foods (nuts, plant sterols, etc.) Than In Low Saturated Fat Diets” http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/233219.php


3 posted on 08/24/2011 1:52:57 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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I wonder how many people know that statins can cause severe muscle pain. I had reached the point that I wanted to cut off my arms because of the pain before a friend asked me if I was taking cholesterol medicine and advised me to stop. I wish I had never touched that poison.


4 posted on 08/24/2011 1:53:31 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Well, and before you go on a drug always have your bloodwork redone. My husband went to the doctor, his numbers were slightly high, the doctor wanted to put him right on meds. I said, no, I don’t think so (he had NEVER been high before).
I sent him to MY doctor, the bloodwork was redone and guess what? His numbers were FINE. And they have been fine ever since.


5 posted on 08/24/2011 1:54:50 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: madprof98

“... can cause severe muscle pain”

My husband took statins for a short time. He felt like he was “coming down with the flu”. Just a sick, weak feeling. Finally, he used the fish oil pills and his cholesterol is good (and his blood pressure decreased). I know a lot of people feel ill with that type of medicine!


6 posted on 08/24/2011 1:55:47 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: madprof98

My neighbor’s knees were killing her. She thought she would be looking at a surgical solution. However, recently, she ran out of her cholesterol medicine and didn’t have the money to get it refilled. In less than a week the knee pain went away!


7 posted on 08/24/2011 1:57:06 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: madprof98

I cut my dose in half and the pain went away.


8 posted on 08/24/2011 1:58:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: madprof98

Yep. I get that reaction from every statin on the market.

Guess what? Niacin works.


9 posted on 08/24/2011 1:58:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 943 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: TennesseeGirl
I just got out of the hospital yesterday “diverticulitis attack” first one ever,kinda scary, I now have to focus on a high fiber diet..
10 posted on 08/24/2011 1:59:42 PM PDT by cmsgop ( The left always accuses the right for the sins of the left. from FReeper Just Lori, RIP)
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To: madprof98
I wonder how many people know that statins can cause severe muscle pain. I had reached the point that I wanted to cut off my arms because of the pain before a friend asked me if I was taking cholesterol medicine and advised me to stop. I wish I had never touched that poison.

This effects a small group of people that use statins. Doctors advise people who experience these symptoms to stop the drug immediately. There are other drugs/statins that you could take that don't have this side effect for you. Your doctor should have advised you of this when proscribing the medication.

11 posted on 08/24/2011 2:00:32 PM PDT by frogjerk (Today is already the tomorrow which the bad economist yesterday urged us to ignore. - HAZLITT)
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To: TennesseeGirl

In my experience its not the dietary fat that’s the problem, it’s the carbs.

My cholesterol was 230 when I went low carb. After six months on it it dropped to 156 - NO MEDS.
And that was eating 2 eggs a day, normal amounts of meat, fish, chicken, cheese, lots of vegetables. Just no starch, no sugar, and a modest amount of fruit.

Excess carbs, if your body can’t handle them (as many can’t) causes excess insulin release which causes weight gain and inflammation.
Cholesterol is “body spackle” - its produced in response to injury and inflammation to help patch things up.

If you have a body chemistry like mine and address the root cause of why the cholesterol is being produced, the blood levels drop like a rock.

My asthma and arthritis also got markedly better- a sign of reduced inflammation.

I wouldn’t touch statins with a 10 foot pole, after what I saw happen to my own body. And that goes for the low-fat diets too (which are carb-heavy and shoot insulin levels through the roof).


12 posted on 08/24/2011 2:02:06 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Mean while my doctor is getting harassed by my Insurance Company to put me on Statins under the National Recommendations that are coming out of the Department of Health.....they know where to stick it

My Doctor is incensed, he knows my history best ... he recommends that I do not take statins .. he is my doctor but he says because of the agreement with the Insurance company he has to tell me so I can get a second opinion

When will they learn to butt out?


13 posted on 08/24/2011 2:03:09 PM PDT by dila813
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To: TennesseeGirl

Omega 3 fish oil. Just pop those pills and it WILL lower your cholesterol. I pop about 4 per day and despite having a high fat diet, my cholesterol level is LOW.


14 posted on 08/24/2011 2:03:39 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: LizardQueen

Body spackle—a great image!


15 posted on 08/24/2011 2:04:54 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TennesseeGirl

This would be significant if cholesterol was the problem, IT IS NOT!


16 posted on 08/24/2011 2:06:15 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: brytlea

I read an interesting book by Dr. H. Gilbert Welch called “Over-diagnosed: Making People Sick in the Pursuit of Health”. It appears to be a numbers game. He uses the example of changing the Diabetic threshold from a Fasting Blood Sugar of 140 to 126. Bam! Overnight, you have 1.6 million new diabetic patients. He also looks at High Blood Pressure thresholds, osteoporsis, etc. Thought provoking book.


17 posted on 08/24/2011 2:08:11 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: TennesseeGirl
I have tried all sorts of diets to lower my cholesterol. Tried various supplements too. Over the last 10 years of experimentation, I have found only one thing that makes a real difference....Statins. I think for many people, they are the best "solution", that is, if you consider your cholesterol to be a problem. We simply make more in our bodies than others do. It is genetic, and runs in families.

I still experiment with differnt things, so that my kids will have some kind of idea what works for us.

18 posted on 08/24/2011 2:11:38 PM PDT by Paradox (Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
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To: TennesseeGirl
Your body is generally not making extra cholesterol for fun, you often have a underlying problem.

Fix the problem and your high cholesterol goes back to normal.

19 posted on 08/24/2011 2:14:06 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Can we ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Easily. All nonsense questions are unanswerable.)
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To: Paradox
May I ask how old you are?

Just ballpark.

20 posted on 08/24/2011 2:18:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Can we ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Easily. All nonsense questions are unanswerable.)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Interesting. And not surprising. If you can tweak the numbers and get new customers it pays off. It makes sense to shop for doctors who see you as more than a meal ticket, which can be tough. And of course to do your own research and take your own health into your own hands. Too many people don’t know anything about their own *machine*.


21 posted on 08/24/2011 2:22:30 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: null and void

“Yep. I get that reaction from every statin on the market.

Guess what? Niacin works.”

me too. i started niacin and red rice yeast and it was slowly dropping. in march went on SPARKPEOPLE, really watched how much i ate (and snacked) and got at least 5 hours of biking, racquetball, walking, and/or yoga. i cook so i ate well but watched portions and did a lot of seafood and chicken and very little bread (because i didn’t want to waste my calories there). lost 22 pounds today amd my total dropped from 210 to 170 everything else went down a lot, hdl is in the 70s and i have a new way of eating that isn’t a diet and easy to sustain. shooting for 190 by thanksgiviing.


22 posted on 08/24/2011 2:25:08 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: null and void
Guess what? Niacin works.

Another niacin user in the house. I never had the flushing problem that deters a lot from niacin. I did develop the muscle pain from a statin.
23 posted on 08/24/2011 2:27:00 PM PDT by rockvillem
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Beer Aids in Lowering Cholesterol Story here

24 posted on 08/24/2011 2:29:06 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Paradox

>>> Over the last 10 years of experimentation, I have found only one thing that makes a real difference....Statins. I think for many people, they are the best “solution”, that is, if you consider your cholesterol to be a problem. We simply make more in our bodies than others do. It is genetic, and runs in families.

The pendulum swings from genetic to environmental(ie food intake)… statins are like a life-saver for those who have no other recourse to genetic predisposition. My Point, I agree with you fully.


25 posted on 08/24/2011 2:29:51 PM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: rockvillem

I use a “no flush” timed release niacin.

Got lots of experience with the flushes during the Purification Rundown back in my misspent Scientology days.


26 posted on 08/24/2011 2:30:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 943 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: rockvillem

Niacin comes in a couple forms. The only one that causes flushing is the nicotinic acid form. This is the one that is most effective lowering cholesterol.

If you take that form, BE CAREFUL!
I ran out and drove to the health food store to get more. After I got back in the car, I took 1/2 a tab (abt 250 mg).

Dropped my blood pressure so fast I almost passed out, good thing I wasn’t driving yet!


27 posted on 08/24/2011 2:36:40 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: evets
Beer. Is there anything it can't do?

I will say, though, that pix like that don't do a thing for my blood pressure. I don't think it's the beer.

28 posted on 08/24/2011 2:37:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PJ-Comix

Try Krill oil, it’s wonderful.


29 posted on 08/24/2011 2:37:35 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: PJ-Comix

I pop 4 of those a day and my cholesterol is still high.

Went on a near-no-saturated-fat diet. Lost 20 lbs fairly fast. THEN, after having my gall bladder yanked, found out rapid weight loss often causes serious gallstones.


30 posted on 08/24/2011 2:37:53 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: madprof98

Very common that a sufficient dose of CoQ10 will put a stop to the myalgias and myopathies, as long as the muscle involvement doesn’t involve Rhabdomyolysis (very serious).

For me 100 mg/day of Coenzyme Q10 does the trick. Prior to taking the CoQ10 (which is actually a vitamin), I had the arm pain also. Once during that time I foolishly tried to throw my kids a softball. I ended up down on the grass in intense pain — arm and shoulder. However, taking CoQ10 has completely eliminated that even though I have gone up in statin dosage.

Veggies-related dietary changes for me are pretty much out of the question (unless confined to a padded room!) because I have always been a fast food kid and still am.

Cholesterol and triglycerides well under control with statin and fish oil.


31 posted on 08/24/2011 2:41:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: cmsgop

>>>I just got out of the hospital yesterday “diverticulitis attack” first one ever,kinda scary, I now have to focus on a high fiber diet..

Been there, had that... most unpleasant. FiberONE cereal with a carton of sugar free fat free yogurt dumped on the cereal can get you fiber with some variety of flavor.


32 posted on 08/24/2011 2:46:40 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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33 posted on 08/24/2011 2:55:47 PM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: LizardQueen
In my experience its not the dietary fat that’s the problem, it’s the carbs.

I agree. There are essential vitamins, minerals, fats and protein. There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. Look around at the success of the "gaia" diet. Epidemic Metabolic Syndrome and pre-type II diabetes. Thank you Jimmy Carter, George McGovern and Harvard. A complete revamping of the American diet without a single pier review or scientific basis. Just another great leftist experiment forcing their irrational beliefs on everyone.

Now to fix this great Fubar of government intervention we are pumping statins into everyone. You are correct about Cholesterol. Cholesterol is an indication of underlying inflammation from Glycation, resulting from the recommended high carbohydrate diets. Giving Statins to lower Cholesterol is like sending the fire department out to put out the smoke. What fire?
34 posted on 08/24/2011 2:55:47 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I am in my late 40’s. The whole family deals with high cholesterol. Even our vegetarian sister has elevated cholesterol levels.


35 posted on 08/24/2011 2:58:25 PM PDT by Paradox (Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
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To: PA Engineer

In fact in nature, digestible carbs are rare. Potatoes have starches, fruit, when it is in season have sugars and some carbs.

But most carbs in nature are of the cellulose forms, complex long-chain polysacharides that pretty much just go right through you.

That’s why cows and termites have specialized bacteria in their gut.


36 posted on 08/24/2011 3:04:50 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: madprof98
Statins can cause memory loss, and worse, something called Transient Global Amnesia. We took our mother-in-law off her statin meds because she was experiencing dementia. She went from a state of dozin' and droolin' to being able to hold a conversation. Here is a good website by a former NASA doctor who had a bad experience with statins.

http://www.spacedoc.com/transient_global_amnesia.htm

37 posted on 08/24/2011 3:32:37 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Billthedrill
Beer. Is there anything it can't do?


38 posted on 08/24/2011 3:37:11 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: djf
But most carbs in nature are of the cellulose forms, complex long-chain polysacharides that pretty much just go right through you.

Good point. I have been on low carb now for about 5 years. I stopped once I attained my desired weight for 8 months. My blood work results were very revealing. Before I was on low carb I had triglyceride levels of over 600. My HDLs were the pits. After the first round with low carb my triglycerides dropped to under 60 and HDL moved to 40. These were important measurements, since the ratio of triglycerides to HDL is the "only" real predictor of cardiac related health. The consensus forming is a ratio of under 2 is desirable. My ratio fell to 1.5.

I went off low carb and within 8 months of calorie counting and exercise proceeded to gain back 17lbs. Worse, my triglyceride levels rocketed back to over 600 with HDLs of 24. That put my ratio back into a certain future Cath. Lab visit. I immediately went back on the diet 9 months ago and pretty much have returned to my previous weight and lab ratio.

I knew it worked and felt a bit driven to find out why. I have done plenty of research and I found one very useful book by a husband and wife epidemiologist team. They were professional epidemiologists who found themselves with the same dietary issues as the majority of Americans do now. They began to research the problem and ultimately compiled enough papers to publish a very useful work. The book is "The Modern Nutritional Diseases", by Alice Ottoboni, PH.D. and Fred Ottoboni, M.P.H., Ph.D.

They do a very good job of explaining dietary physiology and metabolism. The book was a valuable adjunct to Atkin's work and helped explain the dietary paradox of fat consumption. Primarily, you can eat as much fat as you want and not gain weight as long as you restrict carbohydrate intake to very low levels. Of course if you eat multiple sticks of deep fried butter you will not lose weight either.

Another area they cover well is the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acid and why the "heart healthy" diet is a prescription for disease and a very unhealthy heart. The only weakness I found was in their final chapter, where it looked like they rushed to get it to publication. It is a very valuable work and answers the red pill/blue pill challenge by going strait down the rabbit hole.
39 posted on 08/24/2011 4:14:24 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: djf

I use an extended release form that you can get over the counter from Endurance Products. Found it as a result of a book I read by Robert Kowalski. I had no flushing and it has kept my cholesterol in check without the side effects I was having from a statin. Worth checking out for anyone on this board who needs some cholesterol reduction but is having trouble with a statin. I’m NOT a shill! Just someone with a genetic predisposition towards high cholesterol who ran into trouble with statins and ended up getting a reduction from the very, very old school niacin. Your mileage may vary.


40 posted on 08/24/2011 4:16:54 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: madprof98

I took them (zocor) for about 3 months and had total cholesterol levels of < 135, downside was that I would fall while walking for no apparent reason. I stopped taking zocor and now take 2 grams niacin and about 8.5 grams fish oil daily. Never felt better, cholesterol levels <185 and HDL levels have almost doubled. Been doing this for 3 years, and I haven’t fell once.


41 posted on 08/24/2011 4:18:13 PM PDT by GreatMan
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To: LizardQueen
I had my bloodwork done January of this year. In April, after reading Gary Taubes' book, How We Get Fat, my husband and I went back to an Atkins style diet. Eggs, meat, fish, cheese, non-starchy vegetables. No flour or sugar. I have lost 26 pounds.

Two weeks ago, I went to have my blood work done again and my LDL number had dropped by 30 points. All of my numbers had dropped. I am healthier, and I actually feel a lot better. My stomach problems have reduced tremendously.

I had tried Atkins before, and had lost a lot of weight. But, when I tried bringing back the foods like rice or potatoes, I ended up gaining all the weight back, and then some. Taubes' book helped me understand how my body works and it explained a lot about how my body reacts to certain foods (or, really, over-reacts). I believe that this may be the way I have to eat for the rest of my life.

I don't think doctors or researchers really take into account the fact that people are different. For some, one diet may work, for others, another type of diet may be better.

42 posted on 08/24/2011 4:23:46 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: PA Engineer

Another book, if you haven’t already read it, is Gary Taubes’ “How We Get Fat”.


43 posted on 08/24/2011 4:30:14 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: PA Engineer

Neolithic agents of disease: N6 oils, grains/gluten & excess sugar (fructose).


44 posted on 08/24/2011 4:31:38 PM PDT by doctor noe
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To: TennesseeGirl; neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl; Silentgypsy; ...

Ping


45 posted on 08/24/2011 5:04:29 PM PDT by decimon
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To: LibertarianLiz
Another book, if you haven’t already read it, is Gary Taubes’ “How We Get Fat”.

Will add it. Thanks.
46 posted on 08/24/2011 5:10:53 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: doctor noe
Neolithic agents of disease: N6 oils, grains/gluten & excess sugar (fructose).

I did not completely understand this or the fat ratio recommendation until I read The Modern Nutritional Diseases work. It would be hilarious if it was not so tragic, that the recommended "heart healthy" diet centers around all of the neolithic agents of disease.
47 posted on 08/24/2011 5:18:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/XX12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

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48 posted on 08/24/2011 5:33:14 PM PDT by katykelly
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To: TennesseeGirl

This is not new information and if anyone wants large sample the largest dietary study ever conducted was done so in China.

Read about it here: http://www.thechinastudy.com/

I became Vegan about six months ago now and feel better than I have felt in a couple of decades...


49 posted on 08/24/2011 6:08:50 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: decimon; TennesseeGirl
Effect of a Dietary Portfolio of Cholesterol-Lowering Foods Given at 2 Levels of Intensity of Dietary Advice on Serum Lipids in Hyperlipidemia FReebie

View the video of the interview with Dr Jenkins (on YouTube).

50 posted on 08/24/2011 6:45:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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