Posted on 08/28/2011 6:50:28 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
Yesterday was an interesting day. I presented a very straightforward map from Weather Underground showing that there were no sustained surface winds higher than 33 MPH at Irene’s US landfall.
Hundreds of people went nuts, because the map disagreed with their need to blindly trust authority. They accused me of lying (did I make the map?) They accused Weather Underground of bogus maps (Jeff Masters the denier.) They came up with every reason to not believe the Emperor was NOAAked.
Incidents like this help me to understand the roots of historical disastrous human behaviour. Many people will blindly trust authority – rather than thinking for themselves or believing what they see with their own eyes.
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He certainly chooses, like many conservatives, to not bow his knee to the authorities.
I am beginning to believe NOAA and the NHC "kept" this a hurricane for reasons not completely meteorological.
“I am beginning to believe NOAA and the NHC “kept” this a hurricane for reasons not completely meteorological.”
I suspect that you are correct, this was a political calculation.
My daughter lives at the Jersey Shore. She didn’t have nearly the damage that we in Northern Jersey are experiencing.
1) In a truly dangerous situation, people who ignore good advice can die. Hurricanes should not be taken lightly.
2) The People in this country seem to be telling their government to shove it. We don't trust them. We don't think their advice is good. We don't believe their statistics, their facts, or their figures. We don't want to follow the politicians anymore, because we know that the politicians are gaming us.
I am ex navy. I know what a 50 kt plus wind feels like. In Richmond we had at least that - gusting. Sustained winds were probably 30 kts. One of my huge oak tress bit the dust. It takes a lot of wind to knock down a healthy oak. We were 100 miles from the eye so it was fairly windy. It was probably a 1, with the mercury at 28.03”.
I can assure you that the wins that ripped the siding off my neighbors house and dumped two trees on my friend’s roof were more than 33MPH.
Are Hurricanes dangerous? Yes, they are, and we should listen to what the “officials” have to say, and THEN see with your own eyes, understand with your own mind.
Just cause they say “everything points to THIS!” Doesn't always mean they are right.
NOAA in my home state is often called No DUH!
When EVERYTHING is “Major”, “Dangerous”, “Unlike anything we've ever seen”...the people after awhile will remember only the sensationalism, and not leave when something that IS Major, Dangerous, and unlike anything we've ever seen, comes around, and THAT'S what will get people killed.
Thanks for having the courage to tell the TRUTH. Never stop that, never.
How do we know Weather Underground has the “right” data?
It was a big storm system, but a real hurricane?
It sounds more like an event to try sheeple control by Home Land Security flacks and Bloomie.
Didn’t go as planned, look for another “event” to make the subjects submit to authority.
This dude took the airport readings from the areas in and around Irene’s trip..same ‘anomalies’:
http://rightwingnews.com/uncategorized/irene-makes-second-landfall-in-little-egg-inlet-nj/
“Yesterday was an interesting day. I presented a very straightforward map from Weather Underground showing that there were no sustained surface winds higher than 33 MPH at Irene’s US landfall.”
Complete BS.
You could have had a big gust or a small spin off tornado. The area was also saturated from previous storms the weeks leading up to this storm. That can bring a tree down with little wind. Siding can come off in sustained tropical force winds as well.
What people are saying is that the system did not qualify as a hurricane with sustained winds of 74 mph. Just go read the links. It is pretty interesting.
The Weather Channel, Hussein worshippers owned by NBC/Comcast, send their “journalists” to places they think are going to be hit hardest.
Did you see the video of the streaker behind one of their guys? We saw nothing but wind, and the guy’s butt and sausage in that video. Nothing terrifying about the weather there.
Of COURSE there were some isolated packs of wind gusts...or maybe a bit of tornadic activity.
I posted several pics, and even started a whole thread last night, using Times Square “earth cams”...people were milling about, just living life.
Irene was hyped. You can blame the government, the media, or both...sometimes I think the government and the lefttard media are one in the same. The “news” organizations at ABC, CBS, and NBC worship Hussein. If his government makes a statement, they’ll amplify it. Same with CNN.
You do understand the difference between wind gusts and sustained winds, right?
Go to the guy’s webpage and actually look at his screen shots. Sure, there were gusts that were well above the 33 mph he cites, but the sustained (constant for those in Rio Linda) speeds were far lower than needed to even be considered a tropical storm, let alone a hurricane. He captured screenshots from several airports, including many that show NOAA recordings as well.
It was a major rain event in an area that was already waterlogged from previous rainstorms, not a hurricane. That’s why the damage is all flooding, not torn-off roofs and branches.
“Yesterday was an interesting day. I presented a very straightforward map from Weather Underground showing that there were no sustained surface winds higher than 33 MPH at Irene’s US landfall.”
Complete BS.
When Irene was shown as 10 miles offshore of Virginia Beach, the windspeed showed less than 30 mph for the next hour.
This site also shows similar wind speeds during Irene.
http://rightwingnews.com/uncategorized/irene-makes-second-landfall-in-little-egg-inlet-nj/
I even made a post asking the same questions in a post here.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2769816/posts
So where’s the BS?
If you look at the NOAA buoy data, you will be hard pressed to find wind speeds along Irene’s track that are over 50 knots. Click on a buoy, then go to map the data and click the wind speed results.
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Southeast.shtml
I have seen similar phenomena in other hurricanes, where none of the official reports show winds as high as the category of hurricane would suggest.
IMO, its because even a “sustained” wind only has to last 60 seconds to,count IIRC. A weather observation is done hourly, so its quite possible that the winds at that point in time weren’t at the max.
Wonder if you would repost a picture . I was watching that cam,but I don’t know how to get a picture .People were walking with umbrellas.And I can’t locat the threads where you posted them.
conspiracy idiocy, still idiocy when the Right does it.
Your analytical approach is kind of backward.
If the problem were a few measurements that didn’t agree with the others - samplig rate and methods could of course be suspect.
The problem here is - it is only the rare data that SUPPORTS the Hurricane status.
You shouldn’t have to data comb a bunch of 30 mph data sets to find a 75mph event.
It is easily checked - look at data sets from previous real Hurricanes.
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