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(UK) NHS makes patients wait 'to lower expectations’
UK Telegraph ^ | 9/4/11 | Martin Beckford and Kiri Little

Posted on 09/05/2011 8:59:35 AM PDT by wagglebee

At least 10 primary care trusts (PCTs) have told hospitals to increase the length of time before they see patients in order to save money, an investigation by The Daily Telegraph has found.

In some areas, patients endured delays of 12 or 15 weeks after GPs decided they needed surgery, even though hospitals could have seen them sooner.

The maximum permitted time between referral and treatment is 18 weeks. In one case a manager said the policy keeps patients in line as “short waiting times also create more demand for treatment due to the expectations this raises”.

It comes after an NHS watchdog suggested that if patients are forced to wait a long time, they will remove themselves from lists “either by dying or by paying for their own treatment”.

The disclosures have been seized on by the Government as more evidence of the need for its health service reforms, which will give GP-led bodies the power to buy treatment from a range of providers.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; healthcare; moralabsolutes; obamacare; prolife; socialisthealthcare; socializedmedicine
Another preview of Obamacare.
1 posted on 09/05/2011 8:59:39 AM PDT by wagglebee
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3 posted on 09/05/2011 9:02:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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No, the real deal is they know if you have to wait, so many of them will die waiting and in their mind these were people that would likely have died even if they had the surgery earlier because they weren’t healthy.


4 posted on 09/05/2011 9:03:10 AM PDT by dila813
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To: wagglebee

Sometimes the guy who’s cynical as hell is the closest to the truth.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 9:04:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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Dead men require no treatment. Now if they can just get some intrepid “health” provider to open Nazi style ovens they can also save the costs of internment./s


6 posted on 09/05/2011 9:07:55 AM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this will be the future here in America if obamacare is not overturned by the USSC.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 9:08:04 AM PDT by rawhide
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How can so many people in a society be so callous?


8 posted on 09/05/2011 9:10:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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This is evil. A few of these care managers should be found in sudden need of care and put at the end of the waiting list.


9 posted on 09/05/2011 9:11:35 AM PDT by Truth29
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“””At least 10 primary care trusts (PCTs) have told hospitals to increase the length of time before they see patients in order to save money, an investigation by The Daily Telegraph has found. In some areas, patients endured delays of 12 or 15 weeks after GPs decided they needed surgery, even though hospitals could have seen them sooner. The maximum permitted time between referral and treatment is 18 weeks. In one case a manager said the policy keeps patients in line as “short waiting times also create more demand for treatment due to the expectations this raises”. “””


Sounds like the US Post Office that is being discussed on other threads. Make em stand in line so that it lowers their expectations!!!!!!

Only a socialist could conceive of such an idea.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 9:19:04 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this will be the future here in America if obamacare is not overturned by the USSC.


So right. We need to start the slogan. REPEAL OBAMACARE—SAVE JOBS.

We need to to an Alinsky on Obamacare.


11 posted on 09/05/2011 9:21:20 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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The left screeched that “we must emulate the British Health Care model.” For some odd reason, this reminds me of the Israelites demanding a king “so we can be like other nations.” The resulting consequences are pretty similar...
12 posted on 09/05/2011 9:21:30 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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This is evil. A few of these care managers should be found in sudden need of care and put at the end of the waiting list.

There was an article on FR several years ago concerning a NHS nurse. At about 50 years old, she needed treatment and was denied due to age.

She was shocked because she had given her entire life to the health care system and now the system has no use for her. You would have thought she had learned how socialism sees people a long time ago.

13 posted on 09/05/2011 9:25:33 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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Long waiting times ensures that a proportion of the would-be patients die before surgery therefore saving costs. That is the real calculation here. It is coming to us with kenyancare with the added bonus that doctors will be encouraged to simply refuse to treat older people who are no longer “producing” or any people with chronic expensive conditions.


14 posted on 09/05/2011 12:14:00 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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They do this here in the USA too. I never would have believed it but I was in the E.R. in one of those tiny rooms and no other patients were admitted so it was quiet. Just outside my curtain was the nurses station. While they munched on cookies and Coke, 2 nurses and 1 doctor talked and joked about how the management of the hospital did this on purpose now and they had to follow along - re: surgery, complicated tests, and physical therapy. Made the patient waiting list so long that hopefully some will just give up. Deliberately gave them dates that could have been much sooner. Also mentioned this was in cooperation with the ‘health care providers’ to save money.


15 posted on 09/06/2011 1:57:37 PM PDT by baa39
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