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Obama’s “Country Before Party” Nonsense
Commentary ^ | 09.05.2011 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 09/05/2011 5:58:09 PM PDT by Qbert

News reports suggest that on Thursday night, the president will tell Republicans in the House and Senate that they should put “country before party” and endorse his proposals for job creation. The “country before party” line has become Obama’s new theme in the wake of the debt crisis, and the passion with which he invokes it indicates it’s something he actually and truly believes in.

And it’s utter nonsense. Offensive nonsense too. Obama isn’t truly asking Republicans to put country before party. He is asking them to elevate the interests and ideas of the Democratic party higher than their own ideas, their sense of what is best for the nation, and their deeply held convictions about the moral hazard posed by a too-large government and a populace too reliant on it. They won’t do it, and they shouldn’t, and the next time liberals complain that conservatives unfairly impugn their patriotism, Obama’s effort to do just that with his loyal ideological opposition should be thrown in their face.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: countrybeforeparty; demagoguery; obama

1 posted on 09/05/2011 5:58:16 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert
the passion with which he invokes it indicates it’s something he actually and truly believes in

Anybody this naive is unfit to be a serious political commentator.

2 posted on 09/05/2011 6:00:42 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Qbert

He should have thought of that 4 trillion dollars ago.
Nice he could be so bipartisan.


3 posted on 09/05/2011 6:01:19 PM PDT by bray (Palin is hated by the establishment of both Parties. Winner!)
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To: Qbert
Parties represent the different interests of different people...

It's when our reps blindly follow a dictator in lieu of the people they supposedly represent that causes problems.

Obamacare is the perfect example.

Gay marriage is another.(Thank you NY pervs)

4 posted on 09/05/2011 6:01:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Qbert

Any time Obama tries to play the “patriotic” card, it rings hollow with me.

FUBO


5 posted on 09/05/2011 6:02:03 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Qbert

With respect for the office you hold, Mr. President, your ideas for “the benefit of the nation” are just flat wrong.


6 posted on 09/05/2011 6:03:03 PM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: Qbert
>>>>>News reports suggest that on Thursday night, the president will tell Republicans in the House and Senate that they should put “country before party” and endorse his proposals for job creation.

LOL

7 posted on 09/05/2011 6:03:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Meet the New Boss

8 posted on 09/05/2011 6:03:58 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Meet the New Boss
Obama is wed to a ridiculous and hateful ideology, and he won't budge from his philosophical home. For him to accuse others of putting party or ideology before country is pathetic. We haven't had a President in recent memory who was more rigid and incapable of compromise and growth than Obama.
9 posted on 09/05/2011 6:04:47 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Qbert

Republicans should all wear large button pins saying, “SHOW US YOUR BILL”.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 6:05:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Qbert

He’s going to put his plan on paper, right?

I mean ... it won’t just be hollow rhetoric ... he’s going to submit “A PLAN” right? On paper?

And then the GOP can look over it and decide what may be workable ...

Or ... have we abandoned ALL IDEAS about checks and balances and we must cower to the edict from the Oval Office?


11 posted on 09/05/2011 6:05:41 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Qbert
The nation is waking up in a cold sweat, shakes, shivers, and diarrhea due to Hopium withdrawal. The only cure is an elixir of capitalism, Conservatism, growth in businesses, and release of the stranglehold of Marxism. RINOs, poseurs, and fakers need not apply.

* There is no path to prosperity when you pay people NOT to work.

* There is no path to recovery when you punish the employer class that ultimately -and necessarily - also punishes the employee class.

* Central planning, like Czars, special unregulated commissions, and Executive Order fiat are contrary to a representative republic, but for some reason it has not become nauseating enough to puke up all those toxins and purge the system of these diseases. There can be a civil change of guard, but the Trumpkas, Waters, and Hoffas are issuing not-so-veiled threats of violence.

* In Barry's case, he has put ideology before country or party. He attempts, at every turn, to skirt the Constitution, short-circuits House and Senate processes by special "Gangs of X", creates special commissions, and uses other gamesmanship - all to erode or bypass American institutions.

WAKE UP FROM THE HOPIUM-INDUCED COMA, slap a cold wash-cloth across your face, have a candy bar (or an MRE) and grab your gear!

12 posted on 09/05/2011 6:06:27 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Obama is wed to a ridiculous and hateful ideology, and he won't budge from his philosophical home. For him to accuse others of putting party or ideology before country is pathetic. We haven't had a President in recent memory who was more rigid and incapable of compromise and growth than Obama.

This right here. Well put.
13 posted on 09/05/2011 6:07:33 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: Qbert

Obama is directly implying that the Republicans are UNPATRIOTIC if they don’t follow his plan.

Gosh! Why would the Republicans even invite him to address a joint session without demanding and getting a retraction?


14 posted on 09/05/2011 6:07:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Qbert

has anyone noticed we’ve practically reached the new debt limit?

https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=w&fname=11090100.pdf

Table III-C
closing balance 14,652,045
Aug 2 limit 14,694,000


15 posted on 09/05/2011 6:10:50 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: Qbert

A great theme for the response...’We proudly put good ideas before bad ones. The President’s ideas have failed time and again, and we were elected overwhelmingly in 2010 to stop massive spending dead in its tracks.’


16 posted on 09/05/2011 6:11:56 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: Qbert
the president will tell Republicans in the House and Senate that they should put “country before party”

Fine.

Then Obama should put country before ego.

RESIGN!

17 posted on 09/05/2011 6:12:32 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Qbert

Geeze. Just last year, ol Mr. P was praising Obama as a neocon.


18 posted on 09/05/2011 6:12:41 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: Steelfish

“Obama is directly implying that the Republicans are UNPATRIOTIC if they don’t follow his plan.

Gosh! Why would the Republicans even invite him to address a joint session without demanding and getting a retraction?”

— Yep. Plus he should be forced to condemn Hoffa’s implied violent remarks today before speaking if he wants to peddle this “Country before Party” foolishness.


19 posted on 09/05/2011 6:15:12 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: ilgipper
Barry showed us, with strength and conviction, with every fiber of his being, getting up every day thinking how he could help the "working family", and how he enthusiastically "got on board" with all kinds of legislation when he was seated in the legislative chambers. How did he do it?

He vigorously - and with conviction - voted "present".

Even back then he showed the leadership he would bring to the Oval Orifice.

20 posted on 09/05/2011 6:17:09 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“...Anybody this naive is unfit to be a serious political commentator.”

He says that it’s all “utter nonsense” in the very next sentence.


21 posted on 09/05/2011 6:18:23 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

LOL!

Pot meet kettle

obama puts himself before party and country - in that order

what a pretentious hypocritical wanker


22 posted on 09/05/2011 6:23:45 PM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Qbert
The two-party system has become the core of our problem with a growing, evermore tyrannical and overbearing government.

The professional pols in both political parties think they have a God-given right to run the country. They bicker among themselves to be on top and get the majority of the spoils and loot. But when an outside force, such as the TEA party, surfaces as a threat to their power sharing arrangement they fight the intrusion with more vigor than they fight the opposition party.

Just look how the old time republicans have fought the TEA party or tried to preempt it.

They don't really want reform - they just want to win the majority again so they can get the lions share of the loot they all steal from taxpayers.


23 posted on 09/05/2011 6:24:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Muslims who advocate, support, or carry out Jihad give the other 1% a bad name)
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To: Reagan Man
We (pubbies) just did that, A**hole. . We (legislators) mistakenly put country before party with your first stimulus and you promptly stole it from taxpayers and gave it to your union buds. What kind of fools do you think we are ?

Will you have the nerve to tout "green" jobs again in the wake of Solyndra ?(see paragraph #1)

24 posted on 09/05/2011 6:26:18 PM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: Qbert

Podhoretz thinks the substantive idea is utter nonsense, but he nevertheless believes Obama is sincere in believing the utter nonsense.

I do not believe Obama is sincere, to the contrary he is a demagogue. Like community organizing — they are not sincerely trying to solve the problems of a community, to the contrary their purpose is to “rub raw” the social discontent according to Alinsky.

Here, Obama is trying to foment enmity against Republicans by associating patriotism with big government control and calling the Republicans unpatriotic. He knows the MSM will pick up the theme and amplify it. But Obama is the very opposite of a patriot, and truth be told hates this country and everything it has traditionally stood for.


25 posted on 09/05/2011 6:28:40 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: chiller

Palin was right in Iowa. Pay-to-play has been going on for a while, but when affected by Chicago thugs it gets very ugly. It has to stop.


26 posted on 09/05/2011 6:29:18 PM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: Qbert

President Chutzpah,the king of projection.


27 posted on 09/05/2011 6:33:05 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("11/4/2008: The day America elected a pyromaniac in the middle of a fire storm.")
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To: Meet the New Boss

Come on Americans, sacrifice for your great president and country and everyone join a union so you can be OWNED by the few at the top. Go ahead sheep, listen to the BUFFOON in office Thursday evening and then go join a union and see what happens to your families paycheck, freedom, and liberties.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 6:34:10 PM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: Meet the New Boss
But Obama is the very opposite of a patriot, and truth be told hates this country and everything it has traditionally stood for.

Amen!
29 posted on 09/05/2011 6:34:58 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: Meet the New Boss

Oh he’s right. Obama definitely believes it the moment it comes out of his mouth. Whether or not he believes it 10 minutes later is anyone’s guess.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 6:37:07 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Here, Obama is trying to foment enmity against Republicans by associating patriotism with big government control and calling the Republicans unpatriotic.”

—I can’t speak for Podhoretz, but I certainly agree. It’s really disgusting when you put it in those terms.

(Part of me wonders though if essentially adopting McCain’s failed 2008 slogan will further backfire on our shameless, failed president.)


31 posted on 09/05/2011 6:37:42 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Iron Munro

Bingo——Bingo——Bingo.

Old time Republicans are worthless as teats on a boar hog.


32 posted on 09/05/2011 6:37:42 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Qbert
This "country before party" line is just another meaningless euphemism by Obama, wherein he trusts that the people will provide their own positive meaning for it, much like they did with his "hope and change" line in 2008. Sadly, his euphemisms come with a high price tag that trades liberty for the tyranny by making citizens and their children's children slaves to his "progressive" ideology. should put their duty to uphold the United States Constitution's limitations and restrictions on his/her power above the Party to which they belong, period!

No Party's philosophy is superior to the philosophy and principles of liberty incorporated into the Constitution's structuring and limitations on their power, because that "People's" Constitution was intended to bind those in government and preserve and protect the inalienable rights of the people.

Those who are part of the Tea Party movement today are, in fact, putting "country before party," by demanding that representatives in both Parties honor and uphold the Constitution. How dare he try to insinuate otherwise by pitting his own arrogant partisan ideas of "redistribution" of their earnings against their Constitution's limitations on his power to do so?

33 posted on 09/05/2011 6:50:06 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: ilgipper

excellent interpretation of us putting Country before party!


34 posted on 09/05/2011 6:53:36 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Qbert

I wonder if he’ll be squealing “country before party” when the House presents it’s budget later this year. Amy jobs bill should be part of the new budget (want to bet it will?).


35 posted on 09/05/2011 7:00:39 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (O-blame-r)
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To: ThirstyMan

What ever happened to, “we won, you lost, get over it”?


36 posted on 09/05/2011 7:00:41 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarahcuda in 2012. Nothing but Net!!!)
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To: Qbert

When will the Democrats put country above party?


37 posted on 09/05/2011 7:14:11 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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To: bray

He is the pot calling the kettle black!!


38 posted on 09/05/2011 7:16:53 PM PDT by Mr. Wright (is)
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“Country before Party”? lmao

This coming from a supreme narcissistic POTUS who spent 2.5 years putting his party and progressive agenda above the good of the country?! Go frak off, AnointedIdiot! =.=


39 posted on 09/05/2011 8:00:02 PM PDT by cranked
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THE GOP WAS COUNTRY WHEN COUNTRY WASN’T COOL.


40 posted on 09/05/2011 8:46:56 PM PDT by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: Qbert

I can imagine Leno delivering a one-liner like this...

“Republicans are responding, ‘oh, we will, Mr. President, when you start putting country before golf’”.


41 posted on 09/05/2011 8:48:27 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Qbert

I think they ought to give Obama just what he wants, and the Democrats can answer for it in 2012.


42 posted on 09/05/2011 9:49:48 PM PDT by The Duke
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“Republicans must place MY vision of Amerika above any they may harbor” Yeah,that’s what I thought he said.


43 posted on 09/05/2011 10:23:13 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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Nonsense.....

Obama’s objective and the thrust of his 2012 re-election campaign, because he cannot credibly defend his administration’s economic failure, will be to shift the blame he was placing on Bush onto the Republicans in Congress.

Remember that the general population likes the “congress” even less than Obama.....Obama see’s this as the arrow pointing to a successful re-election strategy....

2008 Obama ran against Bush’s 3rd term (MacCain)

2009-2011 Obama blames “Bush and Republicans for his failures.”

2012 Obama will run against Congress amd the TEA party caucus in the House. “It’s the Obstructionist Republican Congress’ fault!”

With Obama it’s all about finding a suitable scape goat.


44 posted on 09/05/2011 11:18:56 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......get your GRRRRR on!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Hearing Obama say, “we won, you lost, get over it”, really hurt back then. At the time there was nothing we could do about it. Advantage Obama.
But that remark revealed how he as the victor understands victory. He ruthlessly rammed forward his agenda with NO talk of bipartisanship. Only when this guy loses do we hear about how important a bipartisanship solution is and then, it's only lip service.
The "Country before party" BS is just such lip service. It's an attempt to fog up the horizon and get the dumb republicans to lay down their victory and compromise. Sadly, some of them are stupid enough to do just that. Some will fall for the rhetoric as we've seen in the past. So weak! McCain calling the Democrats, "My friends" comes to mind. That's not how they viewed him!
45 posted on 09/06/2011 2:00:53 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Qbert
THIS ISSUE got lost in the hype surrounding Hoffa's thug speech. This is a rare time I would side with Hillary.
46 posted on 09/06/2011 2:04:04 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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