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Perry Supported Tax Hikes Before He Opposed Them
The Texas Tribue ^ | 8/26/2011 | Jay Root

Posted on 09/06/2011 9:49:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

To hear him tell it on the presidential campaign trail, Gov. Rick Perry has never met a tax increase he liked.

But at home, over a political career that reaches back to the oil price shocks of the 1980s, Perry has embraced billions of dollars worth of them — including a $528 million tax hike approved in 1990, after he defected to the Republican Party.

The biggest tax increases came early in his career, before anyone used the phrase “Tea Party” to describe a potent political movement. But a few weeks ago, Perry also signed into law an online sales tax measure the state says will raise $60 million over the next five years. Grover Norquist’s influential organization, Americans for Tax Reform, calls the measure a dreaded “new tax.”

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To: rjeffries
Let’s fight for the win with a candidate capable of running the Oval Office, not one that might skip town in 2 years if the kitchen gets too hot.

How about you quit repeating the Left-wing inspired crap.

Secondly, I'd like a POTUS not bought and paid for by corporate interests who want the border wide and open and the Illegal Alien (Cheap Labor subsidized by the Taxpayer) problem not solved.
41 posted on 09/07/2011 12:22:42 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I have no State Income tax, it cost me $62 a year for vehicle tax. How you doing out there in California?


42 posted on 09/07/2011 12:22:55 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: rjeffries
You people make the mainstream media proud.

You moderate loving Perry Apologists make the GOP Establishment proud.
43 posted on 09/07/2011 12:24:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: chesty_puller
I have no State Income tax, it cost me $62 a year for vehicle tax. How you doing out there in California?

we don't want to talk about taxes in California, we're buried in taxes, however, we're not talking about comparisons between states are we, but the honesty of a candidate, his reliability to tell the truth and run a Whole country, not just one state.

Texas's taxes vs. California taxes are not the issue here, but a candidate that wants you to believe he is the second coming of Reagan, when in reality, his past actions make him out to be just another politician that says one thing on the run-up to an election and then he commits actions that are not about limited government or conservatism but to further his own political ambitions and to please his corporate donors.
44 posted on 09/07/2011 12:27:58 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The longest serving Gov. in Texas history is doing a pretty good job. He’s not perfect, but he is a hell of lot better than anyone running.


45 posted on 09/07/2011 12:34:53 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT


So, he has the following positions:

1. Against E-Verify as a tool to limit severly the ability of Illegal Immigrants to get Jobs in Texas
2. He is against a Border Wall/Fence as another tool to limit Illegal Immigration
3. He is against Interior Enforcement like that provided by AZ1070
4. His state police have basically the same Open-Border policies as those employed by the City of Houston whom he and his team call a Sanctuary City

And you think he has not Open-Border weakness?

Charles, I used to think you were a rational conservative that I just disagreed with on some issues, but more and more, especially with your excuses for the Internet Sales Tax and now this concerning Perry's Open-Border stances leads me to believe you are just another Perry Apologist.

Weak, very weak.
46 posted on 09/07/2011 12:35:27 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: chesty_puller
The longest serving Gov. in Texas history is doing a pretty good job. He’s not perfect, but he is a hell of lot better than anyone running.

Naw, his positions on the issues put him behind Bachman and Cain, far behind.

Furthermore, when Governor Palin announces, which she will, soon, he will be a distant fourth in terms of a quality CONSERVATIVE candidate.
47 posted on 09/07/2011 12:37:16 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: CharlesWayneCT

One thing that some here may not understand is that Texas does not have a state income tax. Compare the total tax you pay in Texas to what you would pay in California. I know from experience.


48 posted on 09/07/2011 12:37:26 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: lewislynn

lewislynn: “Use tax,how convenient for you.”

Where’s did I say I loved the use tax? I don’t like it, but I follow the law. You appear irrational. Do you not understand the written word? I’m not trying to insult you. I’m just trying to figure out where you came up with the idea that I love taxes simply because I say we are morally obligated to pay them. Are you claiming it’s morally OK to pick and choose what laws to obey? Are you an anarchist? If not, how do you propose paying for government. Even a constitutionally limited government requires some sort of funding.


49 posted on 09/07/2011 12:41:16 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Left wing inspired crap? You mean Palin didn’t quit her job when the pressure got cranked up?! She served her term?


50 posted on 09/07/2011 12:42:22 AM PDT by rjeffries
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m a proud conservative, likely more conservative than you. I want to elect the most qualified conservative in the field, not some reality TV star that quit on her state.


51 posted on 09/07/2011 12:43:17 AM PDT by rjeffries
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To: SoConPubbie

Unfortunantly for Bachmann and Palin, neither of them possess the resume to be President of the United States. Perry and Cain do, and those are the best and only choices for me.

Palin is about as qualified to be President as Ted Nugent. I could find a random conservative on the street that has a better chance of winning the general election over Obama than Palin who quit her last job for a speech tour and reality TV gig.


52 posted on 09/07/2011 12:46:09 AM PDT by rjeffries
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To: SoConPubbie

I can’t say what you ever thought. I’m saying that a group who cares deeply about immigration, who is tougher than I’ll ever be on the subject, and who rated our BEST candidate a B-, tells me that Border Security is NOT a weakness for Rick Perry.

I understand the argument against E-verify at a state level, although I support it at a federal level, and in my state. I agree with his stance that a border fence across the entire border is not necessary, and in Texas is undesirable. When I say that, I’m often told that nobody thinks the entire border should have a fence, but that is exactly what we are talking about. Perry is for fences where they make sense, he is not opposed to preventing illegals from crossing the border, he has a different idea than you about how to make that happen.

You can argue with his ideas, but his ideas show that he isn’t opposed to border secuirty. He’s worked to eliminate sanctuary cities, he has his own enforcement and doesn’t think AZ’s law would be a good thing for Texas. His forces have detained illegals, and he is suing the feds to pay for their incarceration.


53 posted on 09/07/2011 12:55:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rjeffries

rjeffries: “I want to elect the most qualified conservative in the field, not some reality TV star that quit on her state.”

Of course you’re simply framing some of the things about Governor Palin in the most unfavorable light. I don’t know why we need to tear down one candidate to build up another. I’m still in information collection mode on Perry (and Palin for that matter).

Personally? I think any of the Republican contenders, except maybe Ron Paul, would be orders of magnitude better than Obama. Perry seems to have some favorable traits as well as some unfavorable ones, like his stance on illegal immigration. So does Palin. However, this thread is supposed to be about taxes.

Based on the article, we’re supposed to believe Perry is a big taxer? I don’t find that argument the least bit compelling. I don’t see anything in his record that proves he radically wants to increase or decrease taxes. The key word there is “radically.”


54 posted on 09/07/2011 1:03:50 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Good posting, CW CT!

It’s akin to the situation that Pres. Bush faced after the Dems took control of the House and Senate with veto-proof numbers in the elections of 2006.

The last two years of Bush’s term were filled with crap stuffed into appropriation bills necessary to support the military and other needed expenditures. It was useless for him to veto the bills, because his vetos would have just been overridden by Pelosi and Reid.

It drives me (more) crazy that the Dems and MSM still continue to blame Dubya for the recession and debt, when the damage occurred because of a Legislative branch led by Democrats.


55 posted on 09/07/2011 1:04:22 AM PDT by octex
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To: lewislynn
According to your freeper page, you also live in California. So in answer to your questions, we need to look at the state law that you are obligated to follow as a resident of the state:

Use Tax Information - California:

The use tax, which was created in July 1935, is a companion to California's sales tax that is designed to level the playing field between in-state retailers who are required to collect tax, and some out-of-state retailers who are not. Use tax, just like sales tax, goes to fund state and local services throughout California.
I'll intersperse your questions/comments with the answers from your state's tax board: Use Tax Answers - California:
According to your lack of logic, if I make a purchase out of state I owe MY state a sales tax.
Generally, the same types of items that are subject to sales tax are subject to use tax. Sales and use tax applies to the sale or use of tangible personal property in California. Section 6016 of the Revenue and Taxation Code defines tangible personal property as "personal property which may be seen, weighed, measured, felt, or touched, or which is in any other manner perceptible to the senses."

I physically make a out of state purchase...no tax.
Last week while visiting relatives in Maine I purchased $200 in stereo equipment for use with my system at home in Sacramento, California. When I purchased the equipment I was charged five percent Maine sales tax. Do I owe California use tax on this purchase?
Yes, however, Revenue and Taxation Code section 6406 allows you to take a credit for sales or use tax paid to another state. Therefore, a portion of the California use tax you owe on the purchase is offset by the sales tax you paid to the retailer in Maine. Since the sales and use tax rate in Sacramento is 8.75%, use tax of $17.50 would be due on your purchase. However, after deducting the $10 in Maine sales tax you paid when you purchased the equipment, you would only owe $7.50 in California use tax on the purchase

I make a out of state purchase while sitting at home, I owe a tax?
I purchased merchandise over the Internet from a small company in Texas. They shipped the merchandise to me through the U.S. Postal Service and did not charge me California tax. Should I report these purchases?

The same types of items that are subject to sales tax in California are subject to use tax. For example, if your local retail store would charge you sales tax on the same type of merchandise, it would be subject to use tax if purchased over the Internet.

Your physical presence, as you can see, changes nothing. If you purchase something for use in your state, or to give away to a person in your state, you must pay a tax on the value of the item. If you buy it from a store that collects the tax, it's a "sales tax". If you buy it from a store that does NOT collect the "sales tax", then you must pay a "use tax", for the "use" of the item.

If you buy something in another state for use in another state, you don't owe taxes.

You didn't make this mistake, but a lot of people think the the sales tax is paid by a business, and is a way to tax the business for using state services. This is false -- the sales tax is paid by the purchaser, and is collected to pay for the services the purchaser, generally a resident of the state, uses from the state. The business pays other taxes to pay for their services.

Here's another publication explaining the California Use Tax: California Use Tax–For purchases made from out-of-state businesses

Many individuals and businesses in California buy items from out-of-state retailers that are not required or authorized to collect California tax. If you make such a purchase and then use, give away, store, or otherwise consume the item in California, you may owe California use tax. This is true whether you order the item over the Internet, by telephone, or by mail. The use tax rate for any California location is the same as the sales tax rate.
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Generally, if sales tax would have applied to an item purchased from a retailer in California, use tax will apply to the purchase of the same item from a retailer located outside the state. If the out-of-state retailer does not collect the California tax which is due on your purchase, you are required to report and pay use tax. Some purchases may be exempt from tax.
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you may report and pay use tax to the Franchise Tax Board (FTB) on your California income tax return. The FTB will forward the use tax collected to the BOE.
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If you do not have a seller’s permit and are not required to register for a use tax account as a “qualified purchaser,” you may report your purchases subject to use tax on the BOE-401-DS, Use Tax Return, included in this publication.
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[from a link on that page]: California’s sales tax generally applies to the sale of merchandise, including vehicles, in the state. The state’s use tax applies to the use, storage, or other consumption of those same kinds of items in California. While use tax was originally put in place to protect California merchants from unfair out-of-state competition, it also applies to certain purchases made within the state.
Note that you have a line on your california income tax forms for paying your use tax.

THe Use Tax is on line 95 of your income tax form.

And under section 115, Above your signature, is this statement:
Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this return, including accompanying schedules and statements, and to the best of my knowledge and belief, it is true, correct, and complete.

If you sign the form, and have not entered your correct use tax on the form, not only have you cheated on your taxes, but you are also committing perjury.

We impeached a President for committing perjury.

I don't love taxes, I take my obligations as a citizen seriously, and that includes obeying the laws of my state as they are legally implemented, and being truthful in statements which I sign under oath.

If you don't like the use tax, go to your legislature and ask them to repeal it. Or move to a state that doesn't have it (except you'll find that EVERY state with a sales tax has a use tax, and has for decades).

BTW, the "use tax" isn't just the law, it's a fair law that makes taxes BETTER. Taxes distort the markets, and especially so if they are applied unequally. The fairest tax is the one that is applied the most broadly with the fewest exceptions.

If you and your neighbor both order a book online, and have it delivered, it is unfair and a distortion of the market if you don't pay a tax (because you ordered from Amazon) but he does (because he ordered from Barnes and Noble). Taxes should not pick winners and losers, but the lack of enforcement of the use tax has distorted the market, giving Amazon an unfair competitive advantage over other retailers -- an advantage they gain solely because they enable people to cheat on their taxes.

56 posted on 09/07/2011 1:24:20 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SoConPubbie

Perry has always been on every side of every issue, what ever his crony pals want they get. He was for the toll road before he was against it. But he has always been for illegals, the slave labor helps his supporters.


57 posted on 09/07/2011 2:33:33 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: chesty_puller

Great, but no one ask you to share, so you keep him.


58 posted on 09/07/2011 2:40:39 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Online sales tax measures are not a new tax. It is a new attempt to collect a tax that is already due, but is too easy to cheat on now so people are cheating.

I believe the people have spoken on the merits of this tax. Anyone who wants to volunteer money to the government is welcome to do so. It's not suprising there are so few takers.

Rather than admit that the people obviously don't support this tax (by virtue of their lack of compliance), the statists will always demand that it be inforced at the point of a gun.

59 posted on 09/07/2011 6:30:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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