[piperpilot]

Beyond appalling. According to the NCC, there is no evil (except maybe us for wanting to rid the world of terrorism); we are no better than terrorists; and if we could just rid ourselves of all this hate, the world would be a better place--no mention that complete justice and peace can ONLY be achieved upon Jesus' return to the Earth. It's just sickening. They can't even refer to Jesus by name. Yes, Yes, I realize that Jesus is called the Prince of Peace, but it's just too PC to refer to him by name.

I will be having a frank discussion with the minister of my church today, and I will NOT be reading this to the parish.

[Clioman]

“We stand together in penitence, recognizing that we have not done enough to address the sources of anger, hate, dehumanization, rage and indignation that lead to acts of violence.”

“In our sadness, horror and shock we acknowledge that our own fears turned murderous and we have sough revenge, sometimes even against the innocent.”

“We confess and regret our own anger and recognize its dangers to our spirits, our health, our community and others.”

“In striving for national security and domestic peace we run the risk of confusing might for right and participating in the very behaviors we condemn.”

Mullah Achmed says he approves this message.

[zzeeman]

I will be having a frank discussion with the minister of my church today, and I will NOT be reading this to the parish.

Good for you! Let us know what the response is, if you can. (JMO, looks like it is time to find a new church.)

[ETL]

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Institute For Policy Studies (IPS)

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations.

During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991

[SWAMPSNIPER]

The NCC is a wing of the communist party and has been for decades.

[caver]

Read up on the World Council of Churches and you will learn even more. They are a commie front too.

[smokingfrog]

And here's a big steaming pile of manure for you...

Time to find a new church.

[A. Patriot]

Here is a list of member denominations from their website:

African Methodist Episcopal Church

The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church

Alliance of Baptists

American Baptist Churches in the USA

Apostolic Catholic Church

Diocese of the Armenian Church of America

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)

Christian Methodist Episcopal Church

Church of the Brethren

Community of Christ

The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America

The Episcopal Church

Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

Friends United Meeting

Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

Hungarian Reformed Church in America

International Council of Community Churches

Korean Presbyterian Church in America

Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church

Mar Thoma Church

Moravian Church in America Northern Province
and Southern Province

National Baptist Convention of America

National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.

National Missionary Baptist Convention of America

Orthodox Church in America

Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA

Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends

Polish National Catholic Church of America

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)

Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.

Reformed Church in America

Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada

[Dianer0839]

ping..read later

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

That prayer sounds like ipecac in print!

[Tea Party Hobbit]

Prayers for your discussion with your minister, piperpilot.

[patriot08]

The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.

Our voices need to be heard not only at Town Hall sessions or Tea Party demonstrations but in the very halls of Congress. We have to speak out to stop the desecration of September 11th.

NEVER FORGET

"Every 'moderate' Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a 'moderate' Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.” There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not."

Ali Sini

Ali Sini is head of Faith Freedom International. FFI is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat.

Faith Freedom International Forums ______________________________________________

NEVER FORGET

Watch 'Remembering 9/11' on the Geographic Channel. Repeating Thursday 3PM CST: 'Inside 9/11: Zero Hour'- EXCELLENT.

Also, on TLC, 'Heros of the 88th Floor', 9PM CST Sat 9/10/11

_______________

Watch this moving video. It is the most viewed of any of the 9/11 videos and is now in the Smithsonian.

Be sure to read (at the site) Anatomy Of The Attack and the moving essay,’That Day’ by Steve Golding, a New Yorker who lived through it.

[the OlLine Rebel]

What a bunch of BullShiite.

I would absolutely refuse to read this junk.

Luckily, I am only a traditional “reader”/lector and only have to read Bible passages, not prepared “statements”.

I would refuse to read it, and if they didn’t like it, someone else will have to do the whole job for them.

[BigFinn]

What a bunch of goobly gook. Most of those parishoners are probably asleep in the pews anyway. I’m just surprised they aren’t recommending reading a few surahs out of the Koran on 911. The fact they can’t even say His name is a red flag.

[piperpilot]

Below is my response to the minister. I have not heard any response yet.

I don’t want to be disrespectful, but I have significant concerns with parts of the 9/11 prayers to be read on Sunday and I feel the need to bring those concerns to your attention. I have prayed about this for two days, so it is not something I have taken lightly. While many of the prayers are fine, there are some statements that are stunning examples of moral relativism, and quite frankly, are un-American and un-Biblical, though I will defer to you on the latter. As a result of these passages, I cannot in good conscience participate in the readings on Sunday. Below are the excerpts that I have problems with. They are followed by my comments in italics.

"We stand together in penitence, recognizing that we have not done enough to address the sources of anger, hate, dehumanization, rage and indignation that lead to acts of violence." There is no excuse for evil. It is to be vanquished. I have read through the entire Bible once and am more than halfway through a second reading. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that God’s people should suffer evil when it is in their capacity, with God’s will, to defeat it. Our acknowledging our own propensity to commit or turn a blind eye to such sources and acts of violence in the world in general isn’t bad, but this phrase suggests that we, individually and corporately, are committing hateful, dehumanizing acts of violence by in any way supporting the war on terror and I simply cannot support that.

"In our sadness, horror and shock we acknowledge that our own fears turned murderous and we have sought revenge, sometimes even against the innocent." This is moral relativism. It seeks to blame us for taking action to rid mankind of the scourge of terrorism. Yes, in any war there are innocent people who get hurt and killed and we should grieve for that, but to say in essence that we are just as bad as the terrorists, is beyond offensive to me. September 11th was an attack borne out of evil and evil alone. It was a crime perpetrated against people who were merely going about their daily work. It was a crime against a country that, while not perfect, has been the single most purveyor of good throughout the world. We liberated Europe and Japan from tyranny in World War II. We brought freedom to Russia, Poland and other Eastern European nations following the Cold War, and yes, we gave the people of Iraq and Afghanistan a fighting chance for freedom. We fed the people of Ethiopia and Somalia. We are the first to respond to a humanitarian crisis anywhere in the world, even in places like Iran. Those who attacked us on September 11, 2001 are religious fanatics who hate our way of life because they know that the only way they can cause others to submit to their world view is through violence. The vast majority of these men are not poor, nor are they dehumanized. They are evil. They are as evil as Hitler and the Nazis. They have evil on their hearts, and to equate us with them is appalling.

"We confess and regret our own anger and recognize its dangers to our spirits, our health, our community and others." Again, this is moral relativism and an attempt to rewrite the story of September 11th to blame the victim.

"In striving for national security and domestic peace we run the risk of confusing might for right and participating in the very behaviors we condemn." See my comments above about how America uses power versus how terrorists use power.

"Guard and guide our country that in our search for security we may not trample the rights of the innocent nor disregard the rule of law. Repentance means to turn away from wrong deeds. Repentance means choosing instead deeds which require moral restraint, and are more beneficial to all persons who suffer." The terminology “wrong deeds” suggests again that war on terror is wrong-headed in totality and those who support it in any way are using anything but moral consideration or restraint. This is offensive to me and is the very definition of moral relativism. War and strife happen due to clashing values and I am not afraid to make the judgment that our core values of freedom, tolerance and equality of opportunity stand in stark contrast to the values of submission, violence and dehumanization (particularly of women) espoused by radical Islam. "We place fresh confidence in international organizations and conversations that bring the diverse gifts of the world to the problems of poverty, injustice, terror and strife." Again, trying to explain away evil and blame us for somehow causing religious fanatics to want to kill us. It is an affront to the nearly 3,000 people who died that day to blame poverty, injustice, terror and strife for the evil acts of those who perpetrated the September 11th attacks and those who continue to try to kill us day in and day out. International organizations, such as the United Nations, prove time and time again to be feckless against threats to freedom and too often resemble the defunct League of Nations in their propensity to tolerate evil. "We dare to hope for an era yet to come in which the violence, greed, the ambitions of power, and cultural, racial and religious bigotries are but memories of a dim and unenlightened past." My understanding of the Bible is that this will only occur when Jesus returns to the Earth to bring true justice and peace to God’s people. "We pray in the strong name of the Prince of Peace." I understand that Jesus is often referred to as the Prince of Peace, but it seems to me that failing to refer to Him by name, is bowing to political correctness rather than Biblical truth. [Name Withheld], I was in Washington, DC on September 11, 2001. I was trapped in the city for hours after the attack because the subways were shut down and vehicle traffic was at a standstill. I remember the ashen faces of thousands of people who walked their way out of downtown DC along Connecticut Avenue. I remember the eerie silence that permeated the city in the hours following the attack. Everyone that day knew that a great evil had been perpetrated that day against the American people—and against all freedom-loving people. We cannot ever allow that to be forgotten or perverted. When we, as Christians, tolerate evil, only evil will result. Thus, as I mentioned above, I cannot participate in these prayers on Sunday. In the spirit of your sermon on Sunday, I am bringing this to you privately and I hope you understand why, as a Christian, I cannot abide by these particular prayers.