Posted on 09/07/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by AT7Saluki
Then he can, AND SHOULD, kick their little @sses to the curb.
Again, I want to know...what's his politics? Does he support RAT policies which have created an entitlement nation?
That is, after all, the core of the problem.
Too much hyperbole.
>>There are NO good public schools.
>Too much hyperbole.
I take offense to this as well. There are good schools, with excellent instruction and excellent control over the school populace.
All you need is a decent principal and teachers that care with the caveat that the word “care” means working hard to challenge kids to exceed and not in the liberal sense of “let them run wild because they’re all kids that hurt.”
>>Then why are there so many government school illiterates?
You don’t understand the meaning of the word mandatory. It is mandatory that kids go to school, but it was never mandatory to require teachers to join a union that fosters bad teaching.
I'm curious. When your students read Moby Dick, and the read the first line (I.e., "Call me Ishmael.") do your students think that Ishmael was a name randomly chosen Melville? What do they think of references to red or blue in poetry?
ML/NJ
LOL ! (And so true.)
Thanks for a lot of great and insightful comments on this thread.
ML/NJ
Your post made me laugh, ml/nj.
I graduated high school 30 years ago (!!!), and I remember reading “Moby Dick” very well. I attended a NYC public high school made up of predominantly Jewish students.
Every time we read one of the classics my fellow (honor) students had no idea what the symbolism meant or from where the references came.
So...being the “go-getter” type of gal that I was, with concern for my classmates, and being on the student council, I proposed that they begin an Honors English class with the following title: “The Bible and Literature.”
Well! You would have thought that I’d proposed to hogtie my fellow students and rip the fingernails out of their beds. The principal became apoplectic, and I feared he might actually give birth to an actual kitten.
BTW, my fellow students thought it was a grand idea because they were cutthroat in their desire to be valedictorian and rightly believed in taking advantage of every opportunity to ace a test.
I still shake my head at ole Principal Linder...you should have seen the color he turned.
Regards,
BTW, as I pointed out earlier my kids and I went to public schools. My daughter didn't know when she had her Bat Mitzvah (12 yrs, 9 months), who Mary is. (What an outrage!) I suggested to my then Rabbi that our synagogue should be giving our kids a course in Christianity. (It didn't happen.)
I learned all of this because we still sang songs like "Away in a Manger" at Christmas time in music class when I was young. I came home and asked my mother what the words meant, so I learned.
ML/NJ
Hemingway's Ghost, this is Free Republic. Freepers recognize this debating tactic immediately.
Good for you, ml/nj! I admire someone who wants to learn about the things that affect them in one way or another.
In my case, I knew these things from years of catechism taught by old-school nuns.
My classmates WANTED to learn them but weren’t allowed to do so by the school. I was so upset by the school’s decision that I made it my business to help my friends whenever they needed it. One or two asked me for copies of the New Testament to use as reference. It didn’t seem to do them any harm (nor has it harmed me to know the Old Testament).
That said, I am very interested to know how Mary’s name came up during your daughter’s Bat Mitzvah classes. I’m simply curious, as it’s the first time I’ve heard of such a thing happening. What did your Rabbi say when you made that suggestion? Was it kind of like birthing a kitten for him too?
Regards,
PS: One day I’ll have to tell you about the first time I went to one of my classmate’s Bar Mitzvahs. (Hint: I was the ONLY classmate to attend the ceremony itself; everybody else just went to the party.)
Honestly....After the 2000 Florida recount, I could no longer have a Democrat ( communists really) for a friend. They were too stupid and/or too evil.
Well!....I am now at that point with government teachers. They are either too stupid and/or too evil. It is evil to force child to think and reason godlessly. It is evil to teach them to be comfortable with taking money from a neighbor for a service their parents want for tuition-free. And...It is evil to force citizens to pay for such a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.
Government schools are our nation's **most** serious threat. I flat out mean every word of that last sentence. And....The children who attend are hurt educationally, spiritually, and sometimes physically.
How could I have a friend who would work for an evil institution that is destroying our nation and hurting children? I can't.
It had nothing to do with her Bat Mitzvah preparation. It just came up around that time.
My Rabbi then was a great teacher and clearly understood the reason I suggested it. I think his problem was that the religious school had all they could do to teach the kids some Judaism.
ML/NJ
Thanks.
Gotcha.
Regards,
Those Chinese who set “high academic standards for their children” are catching on to the outstanding benefits and outcomes of homeschooling:
Here is link to another thread: “Home Schools Rise in China”
No offense, but for someone who claims to be as educated as you claim to be, and as "into" education as you are, you're really not following the thread of the conversation you and I are having very well . . . and I think it's because you can't think past your nose, you're so damn intent on clamoring on about godless schools and socialism and whatnot. I'm not trying to argue that it's "good to force children to think and reason godlessly," or whatever it is you've repeated ad nauseum on this thread. I merely posted that your statement (there are no good government schools) is hyperbolic.
Demonstrably so.
Case in point: My alma mater, the United States Naval Academy . . . a taxpayer-funded, government-run school. Hell, the US government even paid us to attend. The best and brightest students from around the country compete like cats and dogs to get into the US Naval Academy; the education I received there, and others continue to receive there, is second to none. The year I entered the Academy (1988), it was, if not the toughest college to get into, it was in the top ten. Some of my classmates' "safety schools" were the Ivy League heavy hitters.
I qualified academically to attend the Naval Academy thanks to the public school system of my hometown, which was, and probably still is, one of the best in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Public school. Awful, evil, government-funded socialist public school.
So your statement is hyperbolic. If there were no good government schools, there wouldn't be a US Naval Academy of the quality our country enjoys today, and there wouldn't have been a public school system capable of preparing someone like me to attend it.
Poor argument on your part.
Hemingway's Ghost, this is Free Republic.
Thanks for the heads up. But I've been here significantly longer than you have, and I was well aware that this was Free Republic.
Freepers recognize this debating tactic immediately.
Oh, I'm sure a casual observer of this thread can point specifically to the place where you lost your train of thought and veered off-track.
I will ignore the moral aspects of have a “good” school ( godless or not, socialist funded or not) for a moment and move on to the academic issue of government schooling:
Everything you have posted about your personal experience with education is completely anecdotal! So?....
Were are the studies that **prove** government schools are effective ( at least academically)? There should be a least one study that definitively measures what is learned in the classroom as compared to what is acquired in the home due to the efforts of the parents and child himself?
Answer: There are no studies! I can send you an e-mail from prominent professor of education at Stanford where he plainly states these studies have never been done.
Also...You state that your school was “good” ( at least academically). Of course you read the texts, worked the assigned projects, completed the answers at the end of the chapters, made outlines, worked the problems, memorized and/or analyzed the material, put in extra time studying for the exam, and had encouraging parents who created a learning centered home that valued education .
In other words, to gain admission to the Naval Academy you did **everything** in **your**HOME, that my homeschoolers did in their HOME. Your parents were likely just as equally supportive of education as I was of my children.
Over a 30 year career I have had contact with several thousand families. It is my anecdotal observation that there is NO difference in the home habits of academically successful institutionalized children and high achieving homeschoolers!
This is the important part: Both academically successful home and institutionalized children spend the SAME amount of TIME at the kitchen table or their desk in formal study!!! That is my anecdotal observation! Gee! You would think that some “educator’ would have noticed that as well and done a study or two on it.
My conclusion #1: Academically successful children are either AFTERschooling(if they are institutionalized) or HOMEschooling!
My conclusion #2: We are spending nearly a quarter of million dollars per child for 13 years of government schooling and no one has done any study to see if they learn anything in a government school classroom, or if most of the learning is due **entirely** to the work done by parents and the child himself IN THE HOME!
My conclusion #3: It could be that government schooling actually artificially RETARDS and DELAYS the social, academic, and emotional development of children. Without studies it is impossible to know.
My conclusion #4: It could be that institutional government schools falsely appear to be successful because parents and children are doing most of the hard work IN THE HOME! And...If we expect the typical government school to be effective for a **dysfunctional** family then we only expect complete failure for that child.
Finally, the moral aspects of government schooling:
All government schools are godless and therefore never good. It would be just as horrific to have the God-centered as that would trash First Amendment Rights and freedom of conscience, as well. The only solution is to abolish all government schooling except for that directly and immediately needed for military defense.
All government schools are socialist-funded and by attending children learn to be comfortable with the threat of government force ( and the voting mob) to extract money from a neighbor. That is never good. In fact it is an abomination.
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The hell with just the "moral aspects" . . . you ignored everything. Do you even understand what a hyperbolic statement is? Are you able to address a point put to you at all, or do you just spout off talking points like a robot?
Evidently, you're of the opinion that "home schooling" is the solution for everything, whether it be "godless, socialist, government schools," cancer, or the designated hitter rule. That's great. You go with that. I'll let this thread stand as a testament to the quality of your intellect.
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