Skip to comments.Obama suggests changing unemployment system (work-sharing, bridge-to-work training)
Posted on 09/09/2011 7:26:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
In urging Congress to extend jobless benefits, President Obama went beyond short-term aid and called on the country to rethink how it looks at unemployment, recognizing the long-term devastating costs of having so many unproductive people on its hands for long periods.
Specifically, Obama endorsed a work-sharing plan embraced in Europe that averts layoffs by spreading the pain among co-workers, as well as a more controversial bridge-to-work idea that puts people who are on unemployment benefits into training or temporary work that would set them on a path toward regular jobs.
The president also proposed, as part of his $447-billion stimulus bill unveiled Thursday night, a $4,000 tax credit to employers for hiring anybody who has spent more than six months looking for a job.
The White House estimated that this part of Obama's economic stimulus would amount to $49 billion, mostly for extending jobless benefits that would otherwise expire early next year for more than 3 million people.
The president's overall aim is to get more out of unemployment insurance funds in light of the reality of today's economy: Job growth has stalled and the number of people out of work for six months or more has swelled to unprecedented levels.
Some 6 million U.S. workers, or about 43% of the total unemployed, have been without jobs for more than six months, according to federal statistics for last month. Discouraged, many others have dropped out of the labor force. And the longer they remain jobless, the more likely they are to suffer the scarring effects of unemployment that can hurt their earnings permanently.
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Sadly, he lives here.. in one of the 57 states, Delusional, just south of Delinquent as in Juvenile.
Stripping bare a nation of its promise and industries, all the while clucking away on a dual ToTUS campaign with an ice cream cone in one hand and a golf club the other.
President Obama proposes a $4,000 tax credit to employers for hiring anybody who has spent more
than six months looking for a job. (Kevin Lamarque, Reuters / September 10, 2011)
The more Big Gubamint meddles with the affairs of business, the worse it gets.. and who was the last fella that tried selling a bridge to the country? ;-)
And he's the freaking President of the United States.
I can see November 2012 from Sarah Palin's front porch.
Do I understand this correctly.
A person of questionable citizenship who has never held a “real” job is giving advice to the nation on job creation???
What am I missing?
Personally, I agree with WorkFare over Welfare, over any work over a handout. My only exception to this would be a dire illness, tragedy, etc.
If I can get a lot of work out of those who receive unemployment checks, then that IS an incentive to find a different job at higher wages.
He needs to be thrown out on his a##
a goodly portion of the unemployed are hightech skilled college educated workers... just exactly WHAT kind of retraining would that be???
Wonder how long before he realizes that everything he's ever known about how things work is crap, fed to him by all the losers he grew up around.
So, let's see. I have 4 employees but because of the dead economy, I can only afford 2. But instead of laying anyone off, I cut all 4 to half time?
That way, no one gets unemployment but everyones pay check is cut in half and with only half time hours, they loose benefits.
Yup. That'll do it -
That's exactly what socialism finally accomplishes: redistribute the wealth - then EVERYONE is starving.
Will we survive until next election?
They are intent on destroying this country. They have been intent on it for decades. But this is the first time they had this much power to use. They will not go quietly into the night. They will ramp up the schedule.
WATCH carefully - and read my tag line.
Obama is a freakin moron’
“a $4,000 tax credit to employers for hiring anybody who has spent more than six months looking for a job. “
Tax credits do NOT work as our tax atty. eloquently puts it. The incentive is $4,000 but the workers comp and Obamacare mandatory healthcare negates any tax incentive this clown and his clown masters can come up with. Odumbo is simply trying to save his snake skin for the election.
Work sharing? Wonderful start.
Maybe we can all turn down our thermostats and use the savings to contribute to the unemployed.
Why would I hire someone I don’t need. However, I’m letting Joe go. He can collect unemployment for 6 months and that’s what he’d like to do. It’s winter when we’re slow anyways. In 6 months 7 days, I’ll hire him back and get the credit.
Work sharing by any other name is part-time work.
What we need is a commune with a garden.
I was thinking to save on costs we could all just move into dorms at a commune too, and if we all wore the same kind of clothes, like Chairman Mao, we could get them all cheap.
I wonder if he has wife sharing in mind too, and raising the kids in a government creche.
This proposal negates sacrosanct union concept of seniority, it will never fly with unions.
None of them actually work when at their jobs, so this is nothing new to them anyway, it always takes 3 to 4 employess to do one mans job in a union, so what's one more?
“...spreading the pain...”
Isn’t that what they taught him in college?
This man is insane.
I agree with you. After someone has exceeded their benefit limit, linking continued benefits to work is a good idea. In this economy and having gfriends on unemploment and I see looking for work I favor the continuation of benefits being extended.
Im helping a friend who has nearly lost evertything and unemployment payment he gets keeps him and his family from being destitute. He looks for work. There are many in very dire straights.
Ive cut back on my spending to help a few people. Isnt that the right thing to do? Maybe I dont understand your post. What is someone supposed to do when friends fall on very hard times?
I bet there is one other change implicit in his proposals, the formula for calculating unemployment. This cretin is all about changing formulae if he can’t get the results he wants thru normal means.
I did not learn about spreading the pain in college I learned it from Jesus who went through much pain to help others. Did I end up in the DU forum by mistake. I cant believe I am in America with some of these posts I am reading. Obama does not have the right answer but those that need our help should not be getting our wrath. what is next, you tell them to make bricks without straw!
You must be too young to remember Carter's call to lower our thermostats. Obama's job sharing reminded me of Carter.
Well, they can work for OFA or the DNC, that sounds ok. Even more political patronage. What do you think that the alphabet programs during the FDR dictatorship were all about.
He’s an ignorant, crusading Marxist. What else is there to say?
WE can not afford to extend unemployment any longer.The states are going broke doing this.
“averts layoffs by spreading the pain among co-workers”
This will not go over very well with the unions at all because union contract guarantees that those with more seniority are not laid off.
Americans are out of work and in trouble and this moron wants to experiment with the failed policies of the old dying EUrope. The man doesn't have a clue.
Some activist judge will rule that sloth is an individual right and award money without requiring work.
First, I'm sure I misread your post. Second, I remember Carter. Those were the days when you bought something today because the price would be higher tomorrow...and if you have a variable rate mortgage you were in really bad shape.
Excuse me if I was harsh. At the same time I was posting I was talking to a friend that is in really, really bad financial shape.
I’m for unemployment insurance for the recently unemployed, but they should pay it out on a declining scale of what they pay each week, to ensure there is an incentive to get these jobless persons a reason to get out there and look for a job. Reduce the unemployment check 2% per week.
As a CPA, I counsel a number of people in bad financial shape regularly.
The first thing to realize is that a financial crisis is always a good thing. The crisis creates the environment for necessary change that most people knew was coming but wanted to avoid facing.
The second thing to remember is that God often uses a crisis to bring people to Him. Only when we place our trust in Him are we truly secure. The financial crisis is a time for someone to reorganize and refocus their priorities to make them God centered.
As a friend, you can help the person see both the blessings they have as well as help them recognize how God is moving them in this crisis.
Most importantly, don’t help them defer the crisis without a realistic plan.
This crap is why even if you do get a job, it’s not going to pay enough to actually help you. :(
Why would I want a damn time share when I do 3x the work!
Some of my friends used to use a CPA. They are way past the point of needing one now. Everything gone.
You sound like you give good counsel though. I agree with you very much about people reorganizing their priorities. First priority is to follow a very good rule. It is good to spend yesterday's money, okay to spend today's money but never spend tomorrow's money. No debt, especially credit cards to pay for movies and pizza.
I am so happy that about 15 years ago we were exposed to a seminar on going debt free. People really need to look at the interest they pay every month and then think how their life would be if they did not have just the interest portion of the monthly payments they make.
On the point you raise, I think of it this way. Someone that was previously in debt that finds themselves with less possessions but now no debt is much further ahead those possessions were tied to payments and interest.
If they can avoid debt and interest from that point going forward, they wil be ahead soon. The of course is based on them having some income. The people I was talking about in my earlier posts don't have that. They are hand to mouth now. It is a very tough time for them.
The comment by that poster was not about you. The thread is not about you.
I learned it from Jesus who went through much pain to help others.
One of the best definitions of socialism I ever heard is that socialism is planned poverty (except of course for elite socialists). Do you understand the difference between socialists and marxists, et al. spreading pain and misery on purpose by means of big government, and voluntarily going through suffering oneself for the sake of someone else?
Did I end up in the DU forum by mistake. I cant believe I am in America with some of these posts I am reading.
Get a grip.
I like your brick without straw analogy. However, it is the very policies that the look alike Sphinx has demand and got through with a like minded Congress that created with intend this contagious pain. The intent is the complete destruction of the independent, productive 'free' (in a manner of speaking) middle class.
I do not spend time on DU forums, I know enough people personally that have NO problem with liberal policies. Liberals from the top to the bottom, through my life time have attempted to return back to the days of the French Revolution and put US on that trail. It is like a time warp and a methodical process of gutting from US the very concept that set US apart from all other nations in all of recorded history. This nation was established with the acknowledgment that
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.....
That was a very good reply.
Drill, Baby, Drill = J O B S
& out of work EnvironMentalists!
“Obama endorsed a work-sharing plan embraced in Europe that averts layoffs by spreading the pain among co-workers”
So, who would we like to hire to share Obama’s job (that he isn’t doing?!)
More socialism... that’s the answer!
Thanks for your comments. As a small business owner I employ on a part-time basis some younger guys (mid to late twenties). College educated, smart guys, had good jobs but now just lousy part-time jobs. Of course being young they can deal with it okay by living with their folks, etc. But I (and you) obviously don’t want the government telling me who I should hire and at what wages. (Or have the government tell me to lower the thermostat and give the savings to the poor!).
On the personal level, we have increased our giving to various charities for food, housing, etc. The need is huge right now. But based on your comments, I may need to look into how to help some aquantices out on a more personal level. But how to approach them without making them feel bad, etc.?
Unions get waivers...like for Obamacare.
I think Obama should job share with Herman Caine.
One friend I am trying to help is too proud to take help. He is literally dying a poverty death. No food, now has a fever, has no money to buy his medicine.
The options are to call the local fire department for a welfare check if you think they are that bad off. Explain the situation to the fire department.
If someone is just in bad financial straights, you have to remember when people feel like the world is closing in ont them financially they get overwhelmed, can't find direction and don't know which way to turn first. In that case, you try to help them prioritize.
For example, a friend that was losing his house was fretting over being late on the property tax payment. I had to explain to him he no longer needed to pay that bill.
Some people will just not accept help. Try a couple of times and then just let them know you are there if they need anything.