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Bachmann made a mistake after the debate, but the fact still stands, Perry did mandate Gardisil. This is not an example of conservative governance. Money quote from the article: It’s about his instincts, judgment, non-apology apology, and ethics.
1 posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:11 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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i cant believe they are getting off on this irrelevancy. reminds me of the flouride BS in the 50’s and 60’s.

makes us look like crazies.

govt is out of control, lets focus on that and forget about gardasil for now


2 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:59 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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Amen. G. W. Bush revealed his true instincts with No Child Left Behind, an Unconstitutional abuse of govt. power, but all "for the children," of course. Gardasil is Rick Perry's revealing equivalent.

However, the real disaster of Rick Perry is his shameless, short-sighted pandering to La Raza and CAIR. This man hasn't a clue about the reality of life: Demography is destiny. California is now a reliably Leftist state, thanks entirely to the "Hispanic" Invasion. Elect Perry, and we may have a few years of slowdown in govt. growth, but we will lose the war irreversibly.

4 posted on 09/13/2011 10:16:45 AM PDT by hellbender
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Has Malkin come out in favor of a particular candidate?

Full disclosure: I like Palin, Cain and Bachmann. I'm neutral on Perry (but not growing fonder). I will not vote for Romney, Huntsman, or Paul. I like Santorum, but he's sort of not worth talking about.

5 posted on 09/13/2011 10:16:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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Perry did mandate Gardisil.

If so, the word "mandate" has a new definition.

7 posted on 09/13/2011 10:19:38 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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Bachmann made her mistake during the debate when she said that girls were forced to take the vaccine. That is a complete lie, and she knows it. It's a little hard to force somebody to take the vaccine when they don't have to take it if they don't want to.

I understand the need to go on the attack, especially when she's becoming a non-factor in this primary. But she does herself no good when she starts to lie about the EO, and insinuating Perry is responsible for mental retardation. She starts putting herself into the Ron Paul section with accusations like that.

11 posted on 09/13/2011 10:26:40 AM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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Excerpt:

“The Texas state legislature repealed the order (over Perry’s hysterical objections) before any girl was forcibly vaccinated.

And while individual stories of Gardasil harm may or may not be true (Bachmann cited a mother who thinks the vaccine caused mental retardation in her child while making the post-debate rounds), it’s not the primary case she should be making.”

Bachman is okay but she SHOULD frame the issue as coerced government intrusion and the LACK of consent needed by PARENTS.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 10:28:46 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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These are good points, and while many will view the issue as a distraction from more important issues, like the survival of America, it does speak to Perry’s principles, or, possibly, lack thereof. Apologies only mean something when followed by a change of behavior and actions. Has Perry seen the error of his ways, or is his apology followed by a but. Is Perry playing conservative for political expediency, or has he been enlightened by conservative thinking and principles? I don’t know, but pretending conservatism isn’t as simple as pretending liberalism. All the latter requires is lack of good character and stupidity.


18 posted on 09/13/2011 10:30:18 AM PDT by pallis
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On that point of the debate I gave Santorum full points on the score card. Unless Texas has sexual education classes we aren't aware of that include show-n-tell hour, a classroom vaccination mandate for a sexually transmitted disease is an egregious abuse of power. I don't care if Perry was financially motivated, politically motivated, or just wanted to do the right thing. That's irrelevant. It was the wrong policy, period.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 10:35:23 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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Perry mandated Gardisil.

Romney mandated purchasing of healthcare insurance.

nuff said


28 posted on 09/13/2011 10:36:23 AM PDT by PMAS
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I found it interesting, that after about the 20th time of repeating “innocent 11-12 year-old little girls” (in the Tampa CNN-Tea Party debate, CNN post-debate, Fox News post-debate), when asked by Greta VanSusteren if she believed Gov. Perry used an Executive Order for the cervical cancer vaccine to get $6000.00 or because he believed it was a good idea and would help fight the spread of this cancer, Michele Bachmann actually stopped talking for a couple of nanoseconds, paused and said that she couldn’t look into his heart and know that answer.

The answer is obvious to any honest person, that Gov. Perry did it to help fight cancer and hold down future medical costs (not make money, reward a company (Merck contributes $Millions to political groups yearly) - encourage girls to become sexually active or even suggest that they do). The best time to administer the HPV vaccine is when girls are young (they can contract this cancer from their husbands – get oral cancer – thank you Bill Clinton for your part in making America's youth think oral sex isn't sex).

About deaths from vaccines – over 400 people die yearly in the U.S. alone from penicillin allergies. All medicine carries risks -- have you watched an Rx commercial disclaimer lately?

And it was opt out. The governor’s EO allowed easier payment due to insurance restrictions. And it was not opposed by Dr. David Stevens, CEO of the Christian Medical Association.

Why CMA supported Perry's HPV vaccination order

"VAN SUSTEREN: Well, there's a big difference, though, at least in my mind, whether you do it because you really believe it's the right and you're just flat out wrong or you shouldn't have done it or whatever, and the other difference is whether you did it because you wanted a campaign contribution. And I'm curious which you think was the one here with the governor.

BACHMANN: Well, of course, I don't know the thoughts and the intents of the governor's heart. I have no idea what they are, nor would I speculate." SOURCE

Reasons for HPV vaccine

30 posted on 09/13/2011 10:37:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I think this is the fourth time I’m posted this and gotten no responses on the pro-Perry threads. What action did governors of the other 49 or 56 states take concerning Gardasil? Was Perry the only governor who deemed executive action appropriate on a new vaccine?

If he was, then it does look like he decided to take a very unusual approach for some reason. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of governors mandating vaccines before.


34 posted on 09/13/2011 10:39:42 AM PDT by Will88
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Even with opt outs I don’t like mandates where the govt encroaches on you and enforces your behavior, and then you got to beat them off every two years or so or otherwise you get sucked into the mandate too.

Michelle should have handled it by knocking Perry for the Guardasil mandate, Romney for the RomneyCare mandate, and then tied it back to the ObamaCare mandate. Then drive it home right to the personal responsibility them she talked about in an earlier question.


39 posted on 09/13/2011 10:42:51 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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The other side of the story:

Gardasil was believed to be a way to stop certain types of cancer among young women. Studies appearing in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2007 found that Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions caused by the the strains that Gardasil protects against. Gardasil’s effectiveness increased when given to girls and young women before they become sexually active. Gardasil was found to be extremely effective in preventing several (but not all) of the strains of HPV known to cause cervical cancer and genital warts.

Cervical cancer is the second leading cancer killer of women worldwide. In the United States, nearly 10,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer each year and 3,700 women die.

In June 2006, The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended administering the vaccine to girls between 11 and 12 years of age, before they become sexually active.

Some critics have claimed that Gardasil has a record of “very serious safety issues.” That obvious attempt to further tarnish Perry’s image by intimating that not only did he do the bidding of Merck in ordering the vaccinations, he did so without considering the possible serious side effects. The CDC has been following Gardasil since its licensing and some current facts follow. Taken from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website:

“Since licensure, CDC and FDA have been closely monitoring the safety of HPV vaccines. “As of June 22, 2011, approximately 35 million doses of Gardasil® have been distributed in the U.S. and the safety monitoring system (VAERS) received a total of 18,727 reports of adverse events following Gardasil® vaccination. As with all VAERS reports, serious events may or may not have been caused by the vaccine.”

“Of the total number of VAERS reports following Gardasil®, 92% were considered to be non-serious, and 8% were considered serious. Out of 35,000,000 doses distributed, there were 1,498 occasions of serious complications; that equates to a .0000428 chance that a dose will cause a serious adverse reaction.” Hardly enough to consider the vaccine “a very serious safety issue” as claimed by some critics.

As of June, 2011, the CDC says: “Based on all of the information we have today, CDC recommends HPV vaccination for the prevention of most types of cervical cancer. As with all approved vaccines, CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor the safety of HPV vaccines.” Check out the CDC’s statements about Gardasil for yourself. And specifically check out the Summary at the end for the CDC’s conclusion about Gardasil’s effectiveness.


43 posted on 09/13/2011 10:46:18 AM PDT by bt579 (Barack Obama the Kenyan Klown- the "FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT" 47,000,000 and rising)
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The whole issue is a side show and the only winner in it is Obama, because it gets us from talking about Obamacare, his jobs record, the deficits, the debt and his abuses of power.


69 posted on 09/13/2011 11:25:09 AM PDT by WOSG
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Sorry, but IF there’s an opt-out, and there was, then it was not a “mandate”. It was a standard. There is a difference.

There are also a few things important to know:

Additional risk factors primarily identified for females include partner sexual behavior (26) and immune status (37,38). Genital HPV infection also can be transmitted by nonsexual routes, but this is uncommon. Nonsexual routes of genital HPV transmission include transmission from a mother to a newborn baby (39,40).


90 posted on 09/13/2011 12:26:43 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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It’s about his instincts, judgment, non-apology apology, and ethics.

EXACTLY!!!

93 posted on 09/13/2011 12:35:20 PM PDT by GBA
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