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Gardasil and the GOP
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | September 13, 2011 | Henry I. Miller

Posted on 09/13/2011 2:48:19 PM PDT by neverdem

More than an hour into last night’s debate, Rep. Michele Bachmann attacked Gov. Rick Perry on the HPV vaccination controversy — or more accurately pseudo-controversy. It stems from an executive order issued by Perry in 2007 that required all Texas girls to receive Gardasil, a vaccine against the most common strains of human papilloma virus, before entering the sixth grade. However, Texas lawmakers blocked that mandate. Some critics argued that the vaccine was too new to have been confirmed safe, while others said that Perry’s order would preempt parental rights or give girls a false sense of security, possibly causing them to become sexually active at a young age.

Bachmann alluded to the Perry’s executive order mandating the exposure of young girls to a “dangerous” vaccine and tried to distinguish Gardasil from other required pediatric vaccines that prevent infectious diseases. Note to Bachmann: The vaccine, Merck’s Gardasil, prevents infection with the most common strains of human papilloma virus. Once established, these viruses can ultimately cause genital warts as well as cervical, anal, vulvar, and vaginal cancers. Thus, by preventing the infection, the vaccine prevents all those sequelae.

In the extensive clinical studies (on more than 20,000 girls and women) that were performed prior to the FDA’s licensing of the vaccine, the vaccine was 100 per cent effective, a virtually unprecedented result. How safe is the vaccine? No serious side effects were detected; the most common side effect is soreness, redness and swelling in the arm at the site of the injection.

In summary, Gardasil has one of the most favorable risk-benefit ratios of any pharmaceutical.

Having spent 15 years at the FDA and having seen regulation — the good, the bad and the ugly — up close, I am as opposed to anyone (exceptperhaps Ron Paul) to non-essential government intrusion into our lives. But some interventions are good. Among those I would include vaccination against childhood diseases and compulsory use of seat belts and motorcycle helmets.

I am discouraged by politicians who not only don’t know much about science, technology, or medicine (which is perhaps understandable) but also don’t know what they don’t know (which is unacceptable). 

Here’s my advice to the presidential hopefuls: If you’re not sure of the facts, keep quiet.

— Henry I. Miller, M.D., is Robert Wesson Fellow in Scientific Philosophy & Public Policy Hoover Institution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012gopdebates; captaingardasil; cervicalcancer; fda; gardasil; health; hpv; medicine; noobamacare; noperrycare; norinos; noromneycare; vaccination; vaccine
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 2:48:25 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

How about the ruling elite political class stop executing mandate/tax increases for the better good.


2 posted on 09/13/2011 2:51:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: neverdem

I just wish we could get a Conservative who did not, in some way, sound like a lunatic.


3 posted on 09/13/2011 2:52:13 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: neverdem

I think this issue is ridiculous, you aren’t going to convince me with this Perry is not a “real” conservative.

In fact Romney isn’t going to convince me anyone else isn’t a real conservative. Bachman has a better case but we’ll see if she’s viable.


4 posted on 09/13/2011 2:54:20 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: neverdem

Michelle Bauchmann is turning the GOP debates into a 1st grade school yard rumble. I wish she would go home to Minnesota and figure out what to do with the last 2 years of her 1st Cogressional term.


5 posted on 09/13/2011 2:55:35 PM PDT by not2worry (A credible message needs a credible messenger because charisma without character is catastrophe.)
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To: Paradox
I was doubtful about Bachmann before her bid, but started to warm up to her as a possible VP candidate, but any respect I had for her went out the window last night.She's been kind of wishy-washy on issues, not at least the debt ceiling.
6 posted on 09/13/2011 2:58:00 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: neverdem
The doctors can offer these vaccines without any help from crooks/politicians. Stay out of my healthcare decisions. Socialist, over controlling fascists with an "R" are still socialist, over controlling fascists.

There is no place to defend this stance..even Perry admitted as much. But you can bet there will be "conservative" nanny staters all over this thread.

7 posted on 09/13/2011 2:58:05 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: neverdem
Having spent 15 years at the FDA and having seen regulation — the good, the bad and the ugly — up close, I am as opposed to anyone (exceptperhaps Ron Paul) to non-essential government intrusion into our lives. But some interventions are good.

That's what all the infernal statists say.

8 posted on 09/13/2011 2:59:56 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: neverdem

Romney just surged to an all time high on Intrade... can we stop this circling firing squad bs yet?


9 posted on 09/13/2011 3:00:46 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Williams
I think this issue is ridiculous, you aren’t going to convince me with this Perry is not a “real” conservative.

I do too. But there isn't a conservative going who hasn't at some point lost his mind and espoused something "for the greater good" that involves government control and overreach. Back in the eighties William Buckley was agitating for "mandatory volunteerism." His reasoning was that the draft of World War II had produced a public-spiritedness among that generation of men.

10 posted on 09/13/2011 3:02:36 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: neverdem

NRO (RINO Central) FOR PerryCARE and RomneyCARE!!!

Who would have believed it? [/s]


11 posted on 09/13/2011 3:03:35 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Earthdweller

I refused to have my daughters administered this med. Just this summer the health department offered it to my youngest again as an option. The nurse said they are giving it to boys too. Maybe it is safe and will be a great thing but what if the side effects are not known for years. STDs are nasty, cancer is nasty but something about this bothers me and so I opted out.

I like Perry even so but he has three things that will be used against him: this Gardisil issue, illegal immigrant tuition, and the imminent domain problem he ran into with the trans-Texas corridor. I have to say he has been leading strong on these issues whether you like them or not.


12 posted on 09/13/2011 3:04:49 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

If you could catch HPV by sneezing or coughing or casual contact there would be some public interest in having kids vaccinated. This is not the case with HPV. I am in the camp of people who are not opposed to the vaccine. However I am NOT on the side of forcing the insurance companies, which are private businesses (or should be) to pay for it if they don’t want to. THIS is what Perry had in mind. He said so.


13 posted on 09/13/2011 3:05:25 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Weird, since Perry leads Romney by double digits.


14 posted on 09/13/2011 3:06:02 PM PDT by RockinRight (Carter Obama and Reagan the nation!)
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To: brytlea

There’s always someone out there who wants to tell you want to do with your own body. I don’t care if the idea is the greatest thing since sliced bread. People have sovereignty over themselves.


15 posted on 09/13/2011 3:07:18 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: neverdem
Those who are considering this vaccine for their prepubescent girls please be very careful. It was tested in France on a cohort of 25 year old women. No one knows the long term side effects of Gardisil because it is so new. It does NOT prevent all cervical cancers. Also, viruses mutate. Right now there are a few strains of HPV that are very virulent. Gardisil is supposed to protect against those two IF the girl isn't already infected with HPV. Right now the only test for HPV that is pretty foolproof is a direct contact test. That means the doctor must swab an area and send it for testing. There are no titers, no blood tests for HPV as of now. I reiterate, the long term effects of Gardisil are unknown. The best thing you can do for your children, girls and boys (yes, they get infected and transmit HPV and sometimes there are only flat warts so the person is unaware they are infected), that abstinence is a good thing. It is the only way that you can be assured you are not infected, girl or boy. Good luck out there!
16 posted on 09/13/2011 3:10:23 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Earthdweller; P-Marlowe; wmfights

Here is the bottom line, Earthdweller:

Not one person in Texas was immunized with Gardasil. It was stopped before it went into effect.

Not one person.

Not one “little girl” was put at risk by anything at any time by this unimplemented plan.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 3:11:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: brytlea
THIS is what Perry had in mind. He said so.

And that is the quid pro quo of this whole debate isn't it?

You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

The definition of Crony Capitalism.
18 posted on 09/13/2011 3:11:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Earthdweller
-- There is no place to defend this stance..even Perry admitted as much. --

I think the only admission or concession Perry has made is that enacting this sort of this should be done by a legislature, not via executive order.

Best I can see, he believes the health benefits direct that government mandate of the HPV vaccine is desirable.

19 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Williams
I think this issue is ridiculous, you aren’t going to convince me with this Perry is not a “real” conservative.

Which shows exactly what Perry supporters can't or refuse to understand. Its not about him being a conservative, its about him being the some tired old crap the GOP shovels on us in every election.
20 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: neverdem

Abstinence offers 100% protection against the same diseases. Why isn’t this a option to parents of six-year old? Merck, like all other drug companies are not obliged to publish negative or adverse events of a given clinical trial. They can keep tweaking the statistics and design of the study to get the results they want. “Extensive clinical studies” are not what they seem.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:42 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: neverdem

Abstinence offers 100% protection against the same diseases. Why isn’t this a option to parents of six-year old? Merck, like all other drug companies are not obliged to publish negative or adverse events of a given clinical trial. They can keep tweaking the statistics and design of the study to get the results they want. “Extensive clinical studies” are not what they seem.


22 posted on 09/13/2011 3:12:47 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Yep, perhaps Dr. Miller is more Tory than Classical Liberal in his outlook. Being ‘conservative’ can be confusing.


23 posted on 09/13/2011 3:13:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: brytlea

Perry listened to his former Chief of Staff.
One of Merck’s three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff. That is why he mandated it.


24 posted on 09/13/2011 3:13:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Diogenesis
RINO Central

I defy you to come up with a detailed definition of RINO that even most Republicans would agree with.

(Of course, anyone who disagreed with your definition is likely a RINO)

25 posted on 09/13/2011 3:13:56 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Palin or Perry, whoever is ahead in the delegate count on primary day)
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To: xzins
That bottom line is potentially valid against ObamaCare, too.
26 posted on 09/13/2011 3:15:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t know why no one is talking about what he actually said. He wanted to force insurance companies to pay for it. He admitted that outright. Of course, I suspect most of the public would applaud that anyway. Most people hate insurance companies, banks and rich people.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 3:16:50 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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How does your state stack up with regards to the HPV issue?

Current info on HPV Vaccine: State Legislation and Statutes via National Conference of State Legislatures


28 posted on 09/13/2011 3:16:53 PM PDT by deport
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t know why the trans texas corridor is not being discussed at all.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 3:18:58 PM PDT by brytlea (Wake me when it's over...)
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To: brytlea

Sadly many bought into the ‘Health Insurance Companies evil’ and ‘Health Insurance Companies make immense profits’talking points from Big Media. Whenever my Leftist relatives launch into that tirade I tell them that the profit margin was actually 1-2%. They never have a comeback.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 3:23:52 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"People have sovereignty over themselves."

Thus abortion and suicide are ok.

31 posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:12 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: brytlea

I don’t know why the 1000000000000000 things Romney has done that are liberal are not being discussed!

I find even the suggestion that Romney is more conservative than Perry beyond laughable, and yet NO ONE is attacking Romney!

where are all the 10000000000000000 anti Romney threads? why does Romney seem to be getting a pass?


32 posted on 09/13/2011 3:24:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: neverdem

I knew at the time that this would later come back to bite ol’ Rick on the behind.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 3:25:54 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: brytlea
I don’t know why the trans texas corridor is not being discussed at all.


Not the topic of this thread but I agree that our National Transportation system needs some attention and a plan to develop the system out for the next 50 years. That's what the TTC was trying to do for Texas and currently it is still a piecemeal process in Texas at best. President Eisenhower would have never gotten the Interstate System off the ground in today's environment it seems.

34 posted on 09/13/2011 3:26:01 PM PDT by deport
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To: not2worry

I thought she did great. She was tough which scares people. I know that you don’t want Perry to have to answer questions but he must. In 2008, he would have been laughed out of the room for daring to run for President. He caters to illegals. That is my serious problem. He says giving tuition welfare is the American Way. You guys are so unbelievable that I can’t believe it. We have a once in a lifetime to pick a real conservative......Michele Bachmann and you guys are blinded by Perry for some reason. The one issue that nobody cares about is Obamacare. Michele has said over and over again that if it is not stopped in the first year of the new President, it will be implemented in 2014. That alone should scare people. She is very passionate about this issue and believe she would stop it. Would Romney? No way. Would Perry? No way. Bachmann would. She is the best on this particular issue.


35 posted on 09/13/2011 3:28:31 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: xzins
>>Not one person in Texas was immunized with Gardasil. It was stopped before it went into effect.<<

No thanks to Perry:

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"When both the House and Senate repealed the (vaccination) law six weeks later, Perry did not — as he now claims — listen humbly or “agree with their decision.”

Human shield demagoguery. In response to the legislature’s rebuke, the infuriated governor attacked those who supported repeal as “shameful” spreaders of “misinformation” who were putting “women’s lives” at risk. Borrowing a tried-and-true Alinskyite page from the progressive left, Perry surrounded himself with female cervical cancer victims and deflected criticism of his imperial tactics with emotional anecdotes.

He then lionized himself and the minority of politicians who voted against repeal of his Gardasil order. “They will never have to think twice about whether they did the right thing. No lost lives will occupy the confines of their conscience, sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.” Perry, of course, has now put his own ghastly Gardasil order on that same altar — but with no apology to all those he demonized and exploited along the way."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2777761/posts

36 posted on 09/13/2011 3:28:31 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: brytlea

Maybe the other candidates think it is a non issue because there are people who thought it was a good idea. I liked the idea of building a road that Texas sorely needs without raising my taxes. I am sorry it was scrapped. Now the TTC is history and we still have I-35 which is simply inadequate. We still need a new road to supplement/replace it. I wonder how much it will cost me in tax increases when it is finally built?


37 posted on 09/13/2011 3:30:12 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
People have sovereignty over themselves.

Just say no to polio vaccines!!

38 posted on 09/13/2011 3:31:04 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You should start those Romney threads.


39 posted on 09/13/2011 3:31:51 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: neverdem

The problem is that Perry won’t state that he was wrong.

I take that to mean that he will do it again, given the chance.


40 posted on 09/13/2011 3:32:19 PM PDT by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I’m finding that *I* myself am pretty much a RINO these days. About the only thing I have in common with the Republican Party is that’s how I’m registered. But unless and until the GOP starts to act like the bearer of the Conservative banner, I’m more likely to vote for libertarians or independents who do.


41 posted on 09/13/2011 3:33:16 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: neverdem
Anyone else notice the facial expressions, demeanor, and behavior of Perry?

It scary similar to Bush and they were just discussing this on KFI Los Angeles and several others mentioned this last night, right here.

42 posted on 09/13/2011 3:34:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: neverdem
I am discouraged by politicians who not only don’t know much about science, technology, or medicine

And I'm discouraged by statists who think forcing medications into my child's body by executive fiat for the 'greater good' is somehow a conservative position.
43 posted on 09/13/2011 3:41:13 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I honestly don’t even care enough about Romney to do that, but what I don’t get is why the same people who have the time to post 100000000000 anti Perry threads don’t do the same for Romney.


44 posted on 09/13/2011 3:41:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: napscoordinator

Sounds about right from a Navy boy who spent 24 years on active duty without having a shot fired at him in anger. Since WWII the only enlisted with rare exception who could say they were in combat were pilots or their back seats. Were you there my friend?


45 posted on 09/13/2011 3:43:12 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Perdogg

Listening to her on Hannity this afternoon turned me off to her badly.

If I had just tuned in and didn’t know who it was I would have thought she was a raving Liberal droning on and on trolling for the touchy feelies in the audience.

She has great ideas but imo has revealed some things about her character that are detestable.


46 posted on 09/13/2011 3:47:22 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: brytlea

>>I don’t know why the trans texas corridor is not being discussed at all.<<

It’s sure more important than this stupid vaccine non-issue.


47 posted on 09/13/2011 3:50:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

The drug is not a guard against STDs but against cervical cancer, STDs do not led to cancer.


48 posted on 09/13/2011 3:51:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
-- what I don't get is why the same people who have the time to post 100000000000 anti Perry threads don't do the same for Romney. --

Some things don't need sayin'.

49 posted on 09/13/2011 3:52:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Earthdweller
But you can bet there will be "conservative" nanny staters all over this thread.

This issue has two parts: the vaccination mandate and the safety of the vaccine.

Conservatives can certainly question Perry's judgement about mandating the vaccinations. But Bachmann and her supporters look like fools for calling into question the vaccine's safety and effectiveness.

50 posted on 09/13/2011 3:56:15 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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