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Perry courts religious voters, calls for defense of ‘Christian values’
The Hill ^ | September 14, 2011 | Cameron Joseph, The Ballot Box

Posted on 09/14/2011 8:53:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

LYNCHBURG, Va. -- Republican presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry used his speech to a packed audience at the conservative evangelical Liberty University to discuss his own faith – and to call for more Christian influence on America.

The governor, whose speech at the university was scheduled long before his presidential announcement, is looking to burnish his already-strong evangelical credentials ahead of early primaries in Iowa and South Carolina, two states with heavy numbers of evangelical voters.

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He said that his “communion with God” had helped him find the path for his life.

Interweaving biblical anecdotes, Perry called on the audience of young conservatives to engage in politics.

“Don’t muzzle your voice because you’re young,” he said. “You have the right, like every American, to speak your right. You have the right to insist on change, to tell the people in power that you will not have your inheritance spent or your future mortgaged. This country is your country as well. Don’t leave it to a bunch of Washington politicians to tell you how to live your life. This is your future that we are debating today. Don’t be silent.”

Perry’s criticism of Washington drew cheers from the 10,000 students in attendance, but the loudest applause line came when Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, Jr. spoke. Falwell shared an anecdote that he said reaffirmed that Perry was "strongly pro-life" and "strongly pro-NRA", two lines which received louder applause than any of Perry's own comments.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; captaingardasil; gopprimary; libertyuniversity; perry; perry2012; prolife; pronra; values

1 posted on 09/14/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Oh goody, another "educational thread."

And just what do "Christian values" entail? Communitarianism?

The bulk of "Christian" denominations think that government taking money by force, supposedly to do "good," constitutes "charity." Our "compassionate conservative" George Bush thought that way. Does Rick Perry think that way? Do you?

2 posted on 09/14/2011 8:59:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The best way to know if a person is a Christian is how honest they are.


3 posted on 09/14/2011 9:01:17 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: reasonisfaith

“I will not be a candidate for President of the United States”...


4 posted on 09/14/2011 9:05:01 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: shield; All

I imagine some pictures and more about Perry's talk with be reported soon.

5 posted on 09/14/2011 9:05:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Carry_Okie

You have absolutely NO clue as to what Liberty University believes about government intrusion.

I read a post of yours earlier this morning. I pray that you might find someway to dump all of this bitterness that is consuming you.


6 posted on 09/14/2011 9:07:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Best thing we can do is get the kids out there standing up for Christian values. I know it’s hard because the other side can be so vicious, but they need to get active.


7 posted on 09/14/2011 9:08:38 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: reasonisfaith

There are many atheist here on Free Republic that I would no doubt are as honest as the day is long.

Christians are not perfect.


8 posted on 09/14/2011 9:09:56 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: calcowgirl; DoughtyOne
As a corollary to my highly educational post on vacuous candidate boosterism plugging the forum sidebar as well as Mr. DoughtyOne's equally educational reply, getting in early with the appropriate question re this fine example of calculatedly lame and ambiguous candidate blather (of which Sarah Palin is especially guilty), is (hopefully) an effective countermeasure.
9 posted on 09/14/2011 9:10:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

10 posted on 09/14/2011 9:11:26 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I read a post of yours earlier this morning. I pray that you might find someway to dump all of this bitterness that is consuming you.

I don't think you have to worry your little heart a bit about that any more than you already have.

In the mean time, I think I'll go back to milling boards.

11 posted on 09/14/2011 9:15:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: McGavin999
10,000 students required to be at the convocation this morning to hear Perry speak. My grandson was one.
12 posted on 09/14/2011 9:15:37 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

The Christian who lies (which covers them all), will experience remorse and repent. This is a clear sign.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 9:16:58 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: Carry_Okie

I believe that I will be concerned about your attitude anywas.

Have a good at the saw!


14 posted on 09/14/2011 9:19:15 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: reasonisfaith

Well yes, but sin is sin and you don’t know what is in another’s heart.


15 posted on 09/14/2011 9:21:25 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek; McGavin999; All
Video

"Republican presidential hopeful Texas Gov. Rick Perry urged an evangelical audience to “do what Ronald Reagan did at the apex of the Cold War which is to speak past the oppressors and the illegitimate rulers and directly to their people.” Perry appeared at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

“It is important that [pastors] stand in the pulpit every day and defend those values, those Christian values. America is going to be guided by some set of values - the question is going go to be - whose values?” said Perry. “I believe that… it’s the Christian values that this country was based upon.”

16 posted on 09/14/2011 9:22:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

AMEN!

Keep on doing what you are doing so well.

Maria


17 posted on 09/14/2011 9:24:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek; All

It was just a snippet of his talk at that link.

Gov. Perry’s full remarks should be posted soon.

If anyone has it, please post it.

Thanks.


18 posted on 09/14/2011 9:25:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Coldwater Creek

That’s right. But a lie is evident.


19 posted on 09/14/2011 9:34:24 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: Coldwater Creek

I believe atheists know of God’s existence, and their ideology is self-deception.

In trying to argue why God doesn’t exist, atheists somehow always end up giving reasons for why they don’t like God.


20 posted on 09/14/2011 9:40:38 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: Coldwater Creek

Christians are not perfect. Just Forgiven... That is the difference!


21 posted on 09/14/2011 9:44:29 AM PDT by JFC
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To: Coldwater Creek

22 posted on 09/14/2011 9:45:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like what he’s saying and I like how he’s saying it.


23 posted on 09/14/2011 10:01:24 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bump.


24 posted on 09/14/2011 10:27:38 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I believe that I will be concerned about your attitude anywas.

You might want to start by actually learning something about how G_d's social welfare system was supposed to work.

25 posted on 09/14/2011 10:40:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie
Ive not said a word about God's plan for welfare and personal responsibility. So, you don't know diddly squat about my convictions.

I think that you just like to run your mouth.

26 posted on 09/14/2011 10:54:43 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Carry_Okie
Ive not said a word about God's plan for welfare and personal responsibility. So, you don't know diddly squat about my convictions.

I think that you just like to run your mouth.

27 posted on 09/14/2011 10:55:33 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

He’s hawking his book.


28 posted on 09/14/2011 10:56:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Coldwater Creek
Ive not said a word about God's plan for welfare and personal responsibility. So, you don't know diddly squat about my convictions.

Ah, now that loving Christian comes out.

29 posted on 09/14/2011 11:20:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He’s hawking his book.

Actually, no, I've made it available free to anyone who has inquired. Glad to educate you.

30 posted on 09/14/2011 11:21:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Coldwater Creek
I think that you just like to run your mouth.

Someone running their mouth on Free Republic, surely you jest? /sarc
31 posted on 09/14/2011 11:37:15 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
OMG! No wonder he's so wacky. He's an engineer, environmentalist and e from LIBERAL No. California!
32 posted on 09/14/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Thought you’d like that.


33 posted on 09/14/2011 11:46:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Carry_Okie; calcowgirl

Carry, CalCowGirl, we have had one set of adoring fans on the forum that nearly drove most of us crazy. Now we have another person, whose adoring fans are doing the same thing.

One thing they share in common. They dismiss any substantive negative issue mentioned from their candidate’s history.

I have been supporting Michelle Bachmann with the proviso, that if she did something wrong or someone else better came along, I would support someone else. Frankly, I haven’t found her actions over the last week to be conducive to keeping my support. The verdict is still out on that, but I need to see an improvement.

These people don’t do that. They are dead set locked into their candidate, and no warning signs are going to get in their way, period.

I keep getting these responses that claim Reagan was severely flawed too. That’s the new Conservative mantra of the 2012 campaign.

“Support Perry, even Reagan was severely flawed.”

Good luck with educating anyone on this forum that is involved with the two camps that can’t fly straight.


34 posted on 09/14/2011 11:59:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: Carry_Okie

Oh, please.

Name one denomination that endorses communitarianism. Maybe the Roman Catholics? Forgive me RCs if I am incorrect.

The Bible teaches property rights and charity. There is no communism, not in any forced sense.


35 posted on 09/14/2011 12:08:33 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DoughtyOne
I feel the same way about Bachmann and am warming to Cain.

Frankly, I'm not as interested in any of them as I was with Hunter.

36 posted on 09/14/2011 12:12:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Persevero
Name one denomination that endorses communitarianism.

You'll find Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Unitarians around here who do.

Maybe the Roman Catholics? Forgive me RCs if I am incorrect.

The RC has a number of "Liberation Theology" types, especially in Central America.

The Bible teaches property rights and charity. There is no communism, not in any forced sense.

Absolutely correct, starting with Genesis 1:28 with the Hebrew word u'redu (IIRC, ורדו), translated as "establish dominion" but actually more related to establishing property lines by walking on the grass, with the requirement to accept the struggle (v'khivshuha) to maintain responsibility for what is within those bounds: every bird, fish, and herding animal. Yup.

37 posted on 09/14/2011 12:21:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

Exactly...


38 posted on 09/14/2011 12:22:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: Coldwater Creek; Carry_Okie
Ive not said a word about God's plan for welfare and personal responsibility. So, you don't know diddly squat about my convictions.

I think that you just like to run your mouth.


Not a very charitable response for someone lecturing another Freeper about how bitter they were.


39 posted on 09/14/2011 12:26:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Carry_Okie

“You’ll find Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Unitarians around here who do. “

Ok, the liberal denominations.

The liberal of everything supports redistribution of wealth. Name a group (Pacific Islanders, bankers, college professors, car salesmen, Kiwanis, Jews,) and the liberal among them will be Marxist in theory.

So I wouldn’t blame the church any more than any other group.

A push toward biblical economics would be a push for personal responsibility, property rights, and charity.

Not towards communitariasm.

The problem with the liberal “church” is that they disregard Scripture wherever it doesn’t fit into their narrative.


40 posted on 09/14/2011 1:08:00 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: reasonisfaith

More Palin supporters questioning Perry’s relationship with Jesus Christ . Keep it up. With Palin questioning Perry’s honor and the wonderful news of her escapades perhaps she should shut her pie hole


41 posted on 09/14/2011 1:32:42 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Persevero
Ok, the liberal denominations.

Correct, which is many of them all over the country varying by degree. When Perry espouses Christian values, one must ask if his support for Texas' variant of the Dream Act represents those values. Yet the implementation of said act requires exactly the taking of private property by force for support of an illegal act, regardless of the motive or however virtuous the use of those funds might be.

It's very easy to blather about how much one loves the Lord, is saved, whatever, but a political leader soliciting support MUST explain how said "Christian values" translate into policy or else one must consider such statements to be transparent demagoguery of the worst kind.

Perry knows people will interpret what his statements mean subjectively. So unless he clarifies how those values translate into policy, the entire pronouncement is rendered an act of dishonest manipulation.

So I wouldn’t blame the church any more than any other group.

Church organizations are responsible for the theology of their divinity schools, many of which are far to the left of the membership. This is a process which began with the Sabbatean contributions to the organization and construction of yeshivot for reform Judaism and has been extended into Christianity the same way and by the same European banking families (there is an excellent history on this pattern written by an Orthodox rabbi by the name of Marvin Antelman). The resulting drift to the left of a good many religious institutions into everything from Marxism, to gay marriage, and to excusing ephebophilia has thus been no accident. PCUSA has been a prime example.

The problem with the liberal “church” is that they disregard Scripture wherever it doesn’t fit into their narrative.

That's "the problem" that originates with replacement theology in the first place, which includes a whole bunch of denominations, including those who claim to be conservative. The misunderstanding of Rav Shaul in Romans, Galatians, and Corinthians is finally starting to come to light after nearly 600 years of Luther's pique. Either G-d's Word means the same as when it was first spoken or it doesn't. He hasn't changed it and neither did Paul. We did. That is why much of my current study is directed to translation work from the Hebrew, particularly as regards understanding the perspective of the pastoral nomads who wrote most of the Tanakh.

42 posted on 09/14/2011 1:36:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Coldwater Creek

A lady at our church has this bumper sticker:

“Far from perfect but forgiven.”


43 posted on 09/14/2011 1:39:27 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

How true! I could use one of those.


44 posted on 09/14/2011 3:25:13 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm supporting Perry in the primaries. I'm supporting whoever wins the Republican nomination. How's that for flexibility?
45 posted on 09/14/2011 3:33:22 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

From a Conservative point of view, not all that good really.


46 posted on 09/14/2011 3:37:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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To: normy

I don’t have to try to guess what’s in a man’s heart. I’m only looking out for wolves in sheeps’ clothing. The Bible tells us we will know them by their fruits.

You should be on the lookout as well.


47 posted on 09/14/2011 4:14:08 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale." It's true. Watch The Undefeated.)
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To: Carry_Okie; All
When Perry espouses Christian values, one must ask if his support for Texas' variant of the Dream Act represents those values.

Yet the implementation of said act requires exactly the taking of private property by force for support of an illegal act, regardless of the motive or however virtuous the use of those funds might be.

I don't like in-state tuition and have fought it in Calif. because it is a give away with no hope or requirement they'll ever add to the state economy.

For Texas, let's look at the background: Giant state, large illegal population. Border control and immigration policy is the domain of the federal gov't. which it has failed to do. SCOTUS has ruled states cannot deny welfare or education to illegals and their children. What do you do?

You've already had to educate them, K-12, under court edict and now they're adults that you have no legal authority to remove and they have no authorization to work.

Do you put them on welfare, as required by the courts, or make a deal saying if you've been a resident, graduated our high schools and are trying to get legalized, so you can work instead of continue sucking the system dry, we'll treat you like other state residents? The Texas legislature and Perry decided to make that deal while Perry has persistently needled the feds for abdicating their duty.

It's a terrible spot the feds have put the states in. It's unconscionable, even treasonous; a no win situation. With decades of failure and foolish court decisions, the feds have put the gun to the heads of taxpayers and the states in which they live.

At the federal level, for years part of Perry's proposed "fix" is pretty much that of Palin: mass registration, temporary need-based work visas and no citizenship give aways, not even for 'dream' students.

Sadly, the issue has been demonized and polarized into irrationality, becoming a third-rail. It's going to remain unsolved by lilly-livered feds in congress until it metastasizes. I hope I never see that day.

48 posted on 09/14/2011 7:43:29 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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