Posted on 09/14/2011 10:33:27 AM PDT by Scythian
“the EO was written meant requiring Texas citizens to contact the government and get PERMISSION to NOT have to inject their daughters with something they felt may not be safe.”
Oh, the horrid horrid horrid Perry. Nobody before him had ever ever dared to tell parents to immunize their kids ....
oh wait a sec.
They DID.
The Texas lege passed laws requiring immunization of schoolchildren.
The Texas lege passed laws allowing the Texas Dept of Health to determine immunization schedules.
The Texas lege passed laws giving the Texas executive branch power to make determinations to change those immunization schedules.
HepB, DTaP, Polio, Hib, PCV, MMR, Varicella, Hep A
It’s all there in the vaccination schedule:
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/fids/201102478-1.html
WOW. This was even done before Perry was governor.
Do you support those laws? These needle-injecting policies?
DO YOU SUPPORT THE LAWS THAT MANDATE NO LESS THAN 21 DIFFERENT VACCINES DOSES TO YOUNG GIRLS, YOUNG BOYS EVEN ***BABIES***?!? OMG, PRECIOUS LITTLE INFANTS!
The lege - before Perry - set about requiring Texas citizens to contact the government and get PERMISSION to NOT have to inject their daughters and infants with something “they felt may not be safe.”
How can you in good conscience not be appalled by this if you feel this way about Perry’s EO?
“What argument with dems do I have for this overreach?”
No argument at all. Vaccines one day, socialist labor camps the next. Its all the same, and if you cant distinguish the two, you have no argument at all.
But I have to tell you, Texas parents have more opt-out rights than Minnesota parents, which make Bachmann quite the sell-out on this ...
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/321389.php
“By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty. Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision. The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness. Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination ...
Congressman Bachmann served in the Minnesota congress for 5 years. In all that time, she never felt quite as driven by her parental instincts and conservative nature to decry or work to reverse what now she clearly consider to be an incredible breach of conservative values. I wonder what’s changed? Were the children of Minnesota not important enough? Is it only robbing a childhood if it’s vaccinations that her opponent supported but the one’s back home are just fine? Did she lack the same leadership qualities then? “
IF you are going to require our kids to attend a public school, where they could easily catch one of those crippling or fatal, easily passed through casual contact or contracted through common events like stepping on a rusty nail type of diseases, and there are safe and effective vaccines against those diseases, then vaccinate.
THAT is both a public good and the responsibility of those who mandated our children be in that situation.
Moreover, IIRC, those sorts of mandates at least went through the legislative process.
With Perry's EO, the legislative process was ignored until the legislators themselves rescinded the EO.
If a Governor is going to force something like that on us, there better first be bodies piling up in the street and people demanding he or she do something about it.
Is that the case with HPV?
“Yes, of course I support vaccinating school kids...”
including the mandates to make sure it happens?
“... against easily communicable diseases.”
Does that include HepB? on the Texas vaccination schedules, not easily communicable, but blood-borne.
As for HPV:
“there better first be bodies piling up in the street..”
Wikipedia says:
- 11,000 cases and 3,900 deaths in the U.S. in 2008. Cervical cancer has substantial mortality in resource-poor areas; worldwide, there are an estimated 490,000 cases and 270,000 deaths.
how easy to catch? ... “easily catch one of those crippling or fatal”
HPV is pretty darn communicable, not only via intercourse but other forms of intimate contacts, so much so that about a quarter of adults have the virus. The American Social Health Association reported estimates that about 75-80% of sexually active Americans will be infected with HPV at some point in their lifetime.
“Moreover, IIRC, those sorts of mandates at least went through the legislative process.”
Certainly, it was wrong of Perry to do this via EO and he admits that. But I explained previously the lege has given the Dept of Health authority to determine immunization rules and schedules, so not all mandates for immunizations came from the lege directly.
Whatever. You all know you’re going to get stuck with Romney or obama right?
I agree that HPV is both common and that several strains will kill you. Texas legislature or any other state's can make the vaccine mandatory and I don't care as long as it isn't my state doing it to my kids. Just so you know, Gardasil is not risk free and has a body count.
The issue is not Gardasil per se, but Perry's judgment and use of power. Gardasil wouldn't be an issue for me if Perry had not entered the race for the most powerful political office in the world.
And, then it wouldn't be an issue if it had gone through the legislative process and then Perry signed it into law.
I want the POTUS to be someone who I can trust to always be and to always err on the side of the Constitution, personal liberty and freedom.
That might seem trivial, but it's one of my Presidential litmus tests and with his HPV mandate, Perry failed it.
It was hardly a "scandal" at the time.
Really? A historical search of news articles shows a lot of hits. We even heard about it nationally. But I bet that was just an overreaction.
I mean, it's just silly to think that a situation where a sitting governor has a former chief of staff lobbying for Merck while his current chief of staff's mother-in-law is the head of the Texas chapter of a group that lobbies for Merck, met with Merck and took $5k from Merck on the very day that he decided to mandate the use of a Merck product, making Merck millions...silly to think that would ever be a scandal! Tinfoil hat!
Well, I'm glad you told me, because now we can just move on the myriad other scandals in Rick Perry's past.
Thank you! People from Texas tired of it long ago..
BTW, you leftout that Perry got about $28,000 over a ten year period from Merck.
And you know that Gardasil has gotten positive results according to MD Anderson and other cancer institutions.
You have a big case of not what you know but what you know that isn’t so!!!!
Wait. How’d you get so tired of it if it wasn’t a scandal?
(I mistakenly said 75% before) It is also true that some vulva, vaginal and anal cancers are by one of the 4 strains of HPV.
Over 12,000 cases of cervical cancer and over 4,000 death associated per year. Fact.
Many vaccines are not 100% effective. But the testing result for Gardasil are nearly 100%.
This isn't about promoting promiscuous behavior. There are far more dangerous and immediate concerns more prevailing than HPV to not be promiscuous. If you or your child was just waiting for HPV protection to become promiscuous, you have bigger problems.
It is about stopping a form of cancer. It works nearly 100% of the time.
No one else is claiming this stops all or even most STD's. Why are you making this claim?
Actually, I was referring to tired of hearing about it on FR. "Long ago" is the past three weeks of a steady diet of this crap.
Y'all give new meaning to "beating a dead dog!"
These shots are being given to children as young as 11.
Do you suppose when you tell a young girl, “This shot is to prevent HPV.” that she is not interpreting that as:
A) Permission to start having sex.
B) Notice that she doesn’t have to worry about contracting an STD, and conflating that to infer it protects more than it does.
Do you suppose that qualifies as: “...provides a false sense of security, regarding all STD’s.”?
Gardasil is a very effective drug that can prevent women from unnecessary cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is much higher in the Hispanic and black populations who can not afford annual pap smears to detect the cancer early.
While we know that it is often a horrible idea to use government to attempt do good, Rick Perry is guilty of doing just that.
Shame on him! How dare he try to use his government position to assist low income women prevent a preventable disease. Why it would destroy the conservative’s image! Imagine if we started trying to help low income women stay out of very expensive hospitals and very costly end of life care. What is this world coming to?
What is the age that rapists will not go below? Sadly, children younger than this are raped.
Notice that she doesn’t have to worry about contracting an STD, and conflating that to infer it protects more than it does.
You are the first person I have ever seen try to claim that others think it protects more than it does.
Do you suppose that qualifies as: “...provides a false sense of security, regarding all STD’s.”?
No. It makes no claim against any other STD. Only you are trying to claim other think that.
Well then I must be genius for being the only one to recognize that an 11 year old could possibly get the wrong message...../s
If kids understood and acted on all the advice they received:
a) they wouldn’t be kids
b) they’d use condoms every time and would be protected against a wider range of bad outcomes.
c) they wouldn’t have sex before marraige
To suggest the vaccine is intended to protect against bad outcomes from rape, illustrates the desperation of your position.
Only Virginia and Washington DC mandate HPV vaccination.
I believe the belief that some kids might get confused is darn poor justification to not stop thousands of death per year by cancer.
And if all your kid wanted was this vaccine to justify being promiscuous, you need to address the bigger problems you have with your kid.
The rape issue is not the sole justification for the vaccine. Even without that issue, I am still in favor of the vaccine. But the issue does still exist.
“you need to address the bigger problems you have with your kid”
Well!
You’re finally getting the message!
Quit trying to inoculate against bad outcomes and start teaching kids there are consequences for their behavior.
AIDS, HPV, cancer, pregnancy, STDs, poor self-esteem, poverty due to lack of motivation to marry, single child homes.....GET IT?!?!
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