Posted on 09/15/2011 1:35:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Yet you talking junk and smearing a good Christian like Rick Perry is completely acceptable?
I can only call you one thing ... a HYPOCRITE.
I believe in the vetting system, whether it is a man or a woman running for office. I don’t want the men to have it easy, but I don’t want the women to have it easier.
My husband was in the military for 25 years. I saw the lesser demands the military gave to women verses men, PT runs had a longer time period to complete successfully; they had fewer push ups to pass tests; they had higher weight limits. I really don’t mind the higher weight. That fits in with different bodies. The lesser ability standards though... I never liked that. If a soldier will be a soldier, they need to stand up to the same abilities. Firemen have the same standards when they train and are accepted into that career. Either they can carry the 280 pound woman down the ladder, or they can’t, and if they can’t, they won’t be trying to do so with the fire department. THAT’s RIGHT.
It seems to appear you feel the women candidates get a harder time here. You COULD be right, but I think their vetting is not that much different than the men, especially the men who catch the eyes of the public, the men people are watching. We can disagree on this, I’m OK with that if you are. I am willing to concede MAYBE you are correct they get pounded on more. I just am not there. Personally, I believe both sexes need to be pounded on. Now THAT would be fair! :)
Your post about all the things Hillary has done does show that vetting is very important. Don’t we all wish Obama had been vetted properly as well. Rick Perry needs to be vetted. Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, and all the others need to be called out when something arises. Even Sarah Palin will still have some things to look at at this time of life unless she has completely stopped doing things or saying things. We won’t find things out if we don’t take a close look. I think that close look needs to be JUST as close for the women as for the men, and I believe that because I believe in the strength of women, and I believe in maintaining the strength of the strongest political position in this country.
If Michele Bachmann can do the equivalent of bringing that 280 pound woman down that fire ladder, then she’ll be just fine. But she needs to be willing to go through the tough vetting process to show she can do that before that big old woman is placed in her arms.
I’ll take it! I’ll set up a p.o. box and you can mail it to me.
Thank you. Real man here. Married. Beautiful wife. 4 children (finally had the daughter.....lol). No biggie on the MB comment....totally know where you were coming from and just giving an example that someone else said. Since Perry announced, this place has been a complete twilight zone to me. I am not sure what is going on. Since when do we support a guy who gives illegal aliens bennies and EO for a government program? Four years ago, he would have been laughed at for even saying he was running for President. These supporters are the ones who are being extremely disrespectful to Bachmann. Some here are just as bad towards Palin too. With Obama’s chances pretty much in the toilet, this should be the ultimate time to elect a Bachmann, Palin, Cain, Santorum.....I just don’t know why we are settling for less than what we could have. It does not makes sense. I have been here for six years and everyone also says no RINOs. I am not calling Perry a full out RINO....mini RINO (lol). But everytime they forget about that and decide to elect a lesser conservative. I have seen it so many times.....guess what? When they get their wish and Perry is elected.....Guess what we get to hear for the next 4-8 years?????? How disappointing he is and he is voting with the Dems and whatever else they can complain about. They did it with Brown, Arnold, and so many others. I also think you are an incredible person. You are a patriot in this fight for our future for our children and grandchildren. That is the other thing....this has nothing to do with us.....they should be looking out for their future generations.
But why did you send me that odd post about Hillary’s sad life? which turned me into Michael Corleone.
I swear, it’s a full moon tonight!
Carling,
The reason I am not being reasonable about this thread is because the thread is not discussing what she said but saying nasty personal things towards her. Nobody has to support her but to say some of the comments that have been said is not acceptable. I never spoke about Perry in a nasty fashion. I never said anything about his manhood, his body, his hair, or anything like that. That is the ONLY reason I am saying anything about this subject. I don’t like two things about Perry. That is all. I never said anything negative about him being a Christian. I have on occasion said he was a good man. I just don’t think we (including ALL OF US) need to be in the gutter.
Bob
This has turned me off completely to Perry. He has his minions attack MB and Romney has his minions attack Sarah Palin. Two guys hiding behind women's skirts. Not pretty.
Thank you for your kind words. Your children are so lucky to have such a dad. I will now go back to embarrassing Perry people with examples of their terrible grammar, bad spelling and odd thought processes. It's a treasure trove of goofiness!
What nasty things have been said about Bachmann in terms of her being a woman?
She said something stupid and unproven. Like any candidate for President, she was called out on it. That somehow has morphed into a discussion on misogyny on FR, which I have to admit I’ve never seen in any great quantity.
Gender or race are the last things on my mind as a conservative. It saddens me to see a handful of women here play the identity politics blame game to try and attack those are commenting on Bachmann’s dumb comment after the debate.
But, I digress.
Bachmann was so anxious to stick a knife in Perry, that she spouted hear say. She came across looking vicious, shrill and very uninformed. She wanted to make a political point, and she did. However, I will not vote for her. Presidents have to deal in facts, not hear say.
Did I ping you? Plus who woulda thunk I got Mz. Dictionary. That PMS must really be tough on the common sense AND contagious AND really dangerous to anyone within reach. Maybe the best reason to be extra careful for next POTUS.
Don’t think its going to be an issue we will need to be concerned with, there will not be any fem nomination. Sarah had a chance, but “teased” it away and MB blew it in Iowa and opening mouth while disengaging brain.
Cue the Twilight Zone theme song, Dopey...er, I mean Dusty.
I am sorry if that was not clear.
Here is what I was getting at in my first post to you:
What we are seeing here now at this site, among our community, is analysis and circumspection... We are looking at our candidates with our analysis (intellect, facts, issues, actions - our brains) AND our circumspection (concern, consideration, even suspicion - our hearts). Shouldn’t we? If we truly respect the position of The United States of America, we need to know about our candidates, and we need to feel confident in them. Both our minds and our hearts need to feel at ease.
We don’t know if Hillary is going to end with a “sad story” or not; the ending has yet to be written, but we are at least fortunate enough to know who she is (as much as possible) and how she stands up to things. Fortunately for us, she has been vetted ruthlessly. Fortunately for her, she has proven herself a fighter, and she has proven herself to be strong. (She may not be honest or ethical or a number of other things you might list, but she has not backed down through it all).
If we pamper ANY of our candidates, we’ll never know their skills, abilities, character, strength, fight, problems, or issues, and more importantly we won’t know if they are worthy of a position I would think we all want to still believe should only be loaned to the most worthy.
Vetting is a good process! It allows us the opportunity to discuss, question, and yes, even be concerned. If we were missing any of those components, we may not be able to see which candidates have what it takes.
And... as I mentioned in my last post to you, I want the same standards to apply whether they are a man or a woman. I think since the job requires a certain strength, we need to have that same strength from our candidate... whether their first name is Mr., Mrs., Miss, or Ms. :) After all, we’ll be handing that person that 280 pound woman to carry down a ladder. He / She needs to be able to stand the heat.
I think where we differ is that I am not seeing the uneven levels of vetting I think you seem to feel there is. Perhaps you are just going to certain threads that lend themselves to vetting of those women???? I go to a lot of Perry threads since I have decided to support him as our candidate should he be fortunate enough to receive that nomination, but I also go to a lot of Sarah Palin threads since I like her very much too. I have seen a lot of vetting for Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachmann. Perhaps I’m just not noticing it, but I feel like there seem to be enough criticisms to go around for them all, and they all get them! LOL I just don’t see the discrepancies you have noted in several of your posts here.
I guess where I would like to end up is asking you to consider this... consider that vetting your candidates is not bad at all but a good thing. If your candidate or candidates (as I could say I have several I like) is competent enough to settle our analysis of their lives and strong enough to settle the circumspection of our hearts, then they should be ready and able to handle the brutality of the general election and the awesome responsibilities of being the leader for the greatest nation on this earth.
OK, miss marmelstein, it’s getting late and hey, is it really a full moon tonight? Oh gosh, watch out! LOL I may not have made sense here, either out of being tired or from the influence of a full moon, but I just wanted to let you know from one woman to another that I think we women need to be strong enough to accept the tough vetting of this process and to be open to that vetting being just as brutal for a woman as it is for a man. After all, this process leads to the exact same place.
I hope I made more sense this time around.
Blessings to you, Yetta Tessye! :)
In your post, the info at your CDC link contradicts your cherry-picked scare quote. and your other link is a “may, could, might” opinion piece by a “Yahoo Contributor.
It helps in a debate to maintain one’s credibility.
Facts are facts, mickey.
And as to credibility, you and the PerryBOTs
have less today than yesterday.
I wonder if some of the deaths involved individuals that may have had the virus in their systems when they got the shots...therebye precipitating an overwhelming fatal immune reaction.
Michele Bachmann is not going to be asked to carry a 280 pound woman down a ladder to prove she is capable of the Presidency. You’ve said that twice now and I find it strange and ludicrous.
And I’m mystified by any freeper’s sensitivity to the life and career of Hillary Clinton - a fraud and a fake who is currently destroying our country around the globe. Being unethical and refusing to “back down” does not make you a strong person. It makes you a psychopath.
That being said, bless you too and have a good day. Sincerely.
Reasonable hypothesis.
A precipitate would not be the solution.
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