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Grid Problems Trigger Rolling Wind-Farm Outages in Pacific Northwest
Forbes Energy ^ | 4/14/2011 @ 7:54PM | William Pentland

Posted on 09/18/2011 9:56:26 AM PDT by dila813

The seemingly endless expansion of wind power production in the United States has pushed large parts of the nation’s electric grid to the limits of its abilities. Now, in the Pacific Northwest, the power grid is pushing back.

Wind power producers in Oregon and Washington State are likely to be the first casualties claimed in the impending morass triggered by calls for reverse rolling power outages at wind farms to keep the regional transmission system operating smoothly. Needless to say, wind investors are pissssssssed.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: energy; globalwarming; greenjobs; oregon; outages; pacificnorthwest; washington; wind; windfarm
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Say hello to the smart grid, lol!

In this case, this means shutting down wind farms in their prime power generation season.

Love it, when are we going to stop this foolishness?

About William Pentland: I'm a clean-energy wonk at the Pace Energy and Climate Center, which is a veteran environmental and rate-payer advocate in deregulated power markets and operates the U.S. Department of Energy's Northeast Clean Energy Application Center. As a serial career-changer, I've spilled blood, sweat and tears grappling with the full spectrum of barriers and misconceptions about distributed generation and energy-efficiency technologies. Prior to joining Pace, I practiced law in New York City at Paul Weiss Rifkind Garrison & Wharton, LLP and Jenner & Block, LLP. I also wasted a massive amount of money on journalism school at Columbia University and law school at Stanford University. I've written about energy and environmental issues for Forbes, The Nation, Mother Jones and several other publications. Drop me a line -- or two -- at wpentland@law.pace.edu

These people will eventually convert themselves to green skeptics once all the tax payers money is exhausted.

1 posted on 09/18/2011 9:56:31 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
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2 posted on 09/18/2011 9:59:12 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Can you imagine being the repairman who is called to fix that turbine motor?


3 posted on 09/18/2011 10:01:49 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: dila813; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BOBTHENAILER; thackney

Alternate energetic “gang-green” ping!!!


4 posted on 09/18/2011 10:06:01 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: dila813

I’m really sorry, but this stuff makes me smile just a little bit...


5 posted on 09/18/2011 10:06:22 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ping


6 posted on 09/18/2011 10:09:16 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: dila813
The best irony about all of this is how ratepayer/taxpayers are getting shafted over the whole thing. The entire concept behind paying for and building these huge hydroelectric dams was that the taxpayer would get their money back and more in the form of cheap electricity.

However, cheap electricity is exactly what the green movement hates - it means that wind farms operate at a loss, solar farms operate at a loss, and it doesn't do what they ultimately want - which is the cost of electric bills to go up so people turn their cities into third world nations else they bankrupt themselves with the monthly bill.

So while ratepayers should have a time where their bills go down...WAY down.. as the hydropower floods into the system, instead they'll find their bills going up to pay for smart grid technology, and zero benefits from their already paid for powerplants on the Columbia river.

Seems like it'd be an entertaining exercise to detail out exactly who's getting that massive influx of cash off of the sale of the hydropower, and ask some pointed questions as to why exactly this isn't being passed on to the taxpayer/ratepayers who paid for the plant in the first place. I mean, there's no way this becomes an Obama slush fund for next year...

7 posted on 09/18/2011 10:14:27 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dila813

Remember all....in Oregon....they don’t get to count WATER (over dams, etc) as a natural/green environmental contributor...and we have LOTS of water!


8 posted on 09/18/2011 10:15:23 AM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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Just realize, these guys that financed these wind mills are depending on the cash flow of these things running at full capacity in this season.

Without this, they are all going to go bankrupt unless they get a bail out from Obama.

Another Green industry up in smoke.

They never had these shut downs built into their financial models, the smart grid has killed the green ...... beyond ironic!


9 posted on 09/18/2011 10:22:15 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Let me see if I can broaden that smile.

Several years ago here in Washington state the pinheads passed legislation that would require energy producers to diversify by requiring a certain percentage of their production capacity be “green”.....and hydro (and nucular) was explicitly excluded.

It isn’t difficult to read between the lines and see that this meant either worthless solar or equally worthless wind. Since then we’ve seen several hydropower facilities decommissioned and an explosion of wind turbines deployed - all at our expense of course.

Now the power producers are going to be told to shut ‘em down because they’re interfering.

This is what you get when you fail to supervise leftists.


10 posted on 09/18/2011 10:22:44 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: goodnesswins

They don’t count wood either, but every study has found the wood is the greenest resource on the planet.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 10:23:30 AM PDT by dila813
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Windmill suffers wind damage

12 posted on 09/18/2011 10:25:31 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Wind Turbines Gone Wild

Cheers!

13 posted on 09/18/2011 10:32:14 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: gorush

I love your tag line!


14 posted on 09/18/2011 10:32:42 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much)
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To: dila813

Video: Windmill fail

15 posted on 09/18/2011 10:33:24 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dila813
Gas, oil, coal, nuke plants....wind should be something used occasionally...
16 posted on 09/18/2011 10:36:34 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: kingu
You miss the real irony. Once the dams are out and the hydro gone, who cashes in? Natural gas producers. Guess who funds the enviros? The tax-exempt "charitable" foundations of major stockholders of natural gas companies.
17 posted on 09/18/2011 10:37:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You’re not the only one. :)


18 posted on 09/18/2011 10:38:40 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: dila813; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; Carlucci; ...
Jason Lewis, substitute host for El Rushbo, August 11, 2008 on the E.I.B Network:

"The federal government has to subsidize windmill production through production tax credits of about 1.8¢ per kilowatt. Wind Farms also receive an accelerated depreciation. Wind farms are also land intensive. They produce a fraction of the energy of a traditional power plant but they require 100 times the acreage.

From the National Center for Policy Analysis: to produce a 1000 megawatt power plant a wind farm would require 192,000 acres or 300 square miles. A nuclear plant would need about 1700 acres (or 2.65 mi2), and about 3 mi2 for a coal fired power plant. The transmission lines for the wind turbines would be massive, 12,000 miles just for the array."

 

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 09/18/2011 10:39:27 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: dila813

In addition the eco-nazis have forced us to close down our only coal plant 250 miles away from Portland in 2020 even though is is fine to last til 2040. It produces 40% of Portland’s energy. Welcome to the People’s Republic of Oregon.

Pray for America


20 posted on 09/18/2011 10:40:41 AM PDT by bray (Palin is hated by the establishment of both Parties. Winner!)
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