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Asia stocks fall as Europe fears revive
Marketwatch ^ | 9.18.11 | Sarah Turner

Posted on 09/18/2011 9:29:12 PM PDT by Free Vulcan

SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asian stocks fell on Monday, as concerns about a Greek default came back to the fore amid indications that Europe is losing patience with the country’s efforts to cut its debt pile...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; europe; financial; markets
Right now this is the systemic risk to the whole market. I realize that 1) The American financial situation is ultimately worse, 2) the economy is flat, and 3) corporate profit gains may be starting to lose momentum, but the European thing is a powder keg.

It's both big enough to do serious damage as well as destabilize very quickly. Looking at the market we've moved up off the lows well, but it's a consolidation market with and volume on the up moves decent right now but fading.

If they can't resolve this situation, and I don't think they will...look out below. I could see the recent upward movement cut short very quickly. That doesn't factor everything else out there mentioned above. The structure of the market is ripe for another smackdown.

1 posted on 09/18/2011 9:29:19 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Free Vulcan

Looks like the Band-aids aren’t working.


2 posted on 09/18/2011 9:31:51 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

The Eurobank injected alot of liquidity into member banks I think last Thursday. They said at best that little trick might last till Christmas. The gut says not nearly that long.

The S&P futures smacked down hard right at the open on good volume with the bid-ask just collapsing right before. That is not a good sign for the week but we’ll see. The market looks like it’s at a tipping point.


3 posted on 09/18/2011 9:39:13 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Fears are only “reviving” in the statist-ivy-league-run media.

It’s painfully obvious that fears have simply persisted because the brainiac decision to implement a common currency between different sovereign nations with vastly different productivity levels is nearing it’s inevitable end.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 9:41:22 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: Free Vulcan

Geez. I thought little Timmy Tax Cheat was going to get this all worked out last week. Good thing he got involved with our money to stabilize things or the Eurosone would get worse. No...Wait?


5 posted on 09/18/2011 9:46:16 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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For the socialists it comes down to this every time. All the big talk and demagoguery can’t mask the failure of their policies which boils down to creating junkies that can’t give up the fix in exchange for votes and power.

They can cut the Gordian knot by fixing Greece and the rest for real, but they won’t do it because they don’t want to go thru the withdrawal. And so the whole damn thing collapses and it’s 10X worse than it has to be. Game over and everyone loses.

They never learn.


6 posted on 09/18/2011 10:09:10 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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They can cut the Gordian knot by fixing Greece and the rest for real, but they won’t do it because they don’t want to go thru the withdrawal.

In order to avoid what could be a catastrophic domino effect crash, don't be surprised that Germany--who has by far the most powerful economy in Europe--will suggest (and everyone has to accept) the following conditions:

1. The "safety net" social spending will have to be seriously cut back, and more emphasis placed on private long-term savings accounts for retirement and medical bill payments.

2. Taxation across Europe will have to be simplified drastically to encourage more savings and investment in Europe, not encourage liquid assets sitting in tax havens around the world. This means major overhauls of income tax laws with far lower tax rates combined with removing most (if not all) income tax loopholes and a lower-rate value-added tax (VAT).

7 posted on 09/18/2011 10:44:17 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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Greece us not going to change their way of life. Retire at age 50, free medial dental glasses all of the good things of life. They will stay with the Titanic and to hell with the rest of the world.
8 posted on 09/18/2011 10:51:50 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("IF YOU DON'T HOLD IT, YOU DON'T OWN IT" ( Wise old Gold Bug))
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To: Free Vulcan

We have postponed the major world-wide crash since 2008 by increasing debt and weakening the dollar. Europe has done the same thing.

It needs to crash. Any more stimulus or bailouts will only make the inevitable much worse. The markets will not improve or stabilize because everyone (except the Obama administration and Michael Moore) understands the fundamental problems are still there.

We never learn.


9 posted on 09/18/2011 11:22:16 PM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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Geez. I thought little Timmy Tax Cheat was going to get this all worked out...

Guess not...

10 posted on 09/19/2011 1:32:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: BooBoo1000
They will stay with the Titanic and to hell with the rest of the world.

I would agree with that in the past, but once Ireland and Greece started to get into serious sovereign debt difficulties a few years ago, I think that attitude is starting to change. Even the Socialists in Europe are starting to wonder what to do next, and from now on retirement must be more based on personal retirement plans and taxation MUST be revised to encourage more local businesses--the mantra of the Tea Party movement.

11 posted on 09/19/2011 4:23:06 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Free Vulcan

Worldwide debt to GDP ratio is 69 percent.

Since global GDP is 74 trillion a year, that means the world is 50 trillion dollars in debt, or about 10k per person.

That gives a debt buffer of about 24 trillion. Global debt has doubled in 10 years.

The growth in the world economy was about 30 trillion dollars from 2000 to 2010, so the economic growth is still slightly outpacing debt and borrowing.


12 posted on 09/19/2011 4:23:47 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: Free Vulcan

Yes, we’ll see. I’m not hopeful either, at some point things have to get much worse before they get better.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 6:02:48 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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