Posted on 09/19/2011 5:04:54 PM PDT by shield
Ka-ching..
31 posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 8:10:44 PM by MestaMachine
Do you mean money?
Why ask me that? That is what you meant.
Perry is sincere regarding Israel. He is a Christian and if you are a true Christian you support Israel. He has received some awards from Israel and he has made more than one trip there. I am from TX and have seen articles regarding the visits. He is sincere.
“Most influential “hispanic businessmen” are members of NCLR. How come no one is mentioning THAT? or don’t that suit the narrative?”
And I meant this too. Why respond to one and not the other?
“Perry is sincere regarding Israel. He is a Christian and if you are a true Christian you support Israel. He has received some awards from Israel and he has made more than one trip there. I am from TX and have seen articles regarding the visits. He is sincere.”
As a Christian who strongly supports Israel, this makes me far more likely to back Perry in the primary. Where’s Mitt while all this is going on?
He’s holding his cigarrette like a girl.
“Barack Obama - The First Jewish Presidential Nominee”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/barack-obama-—the-first_b_105135.html
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if they’re related?
LOL. Hilarious.
It seems to resonate less with the Jewish population than it does with the conservative Christian population.
Although they may be a statistically small demographic, they are an important one. And many of them are pissed over Bambi's smarmy approach to Israel.
Libs are pissed at Obama for not being “progressive” enough. I’m sure that includes liberal Jews, which is most of them.
Hopefully when Rick eventually endorses Sarah these same voters will be for Sarah. I have no doubt, Sarah has been a big supporter of the Jewish community.
I do not think you will find much space between any of the Conservative candidates when it comes to the Jewish community.
Perry has nothing on Sarah
There is one thing that Perry has on Palin. He is the solid frontrunner in the 2012 GOP Primary. I am afraid Palin isn't even in the running.
If that's true, why has the Democratic Party historically spent a great deal of time “catering” to its Jewish constituents?
Obviously there's something about the American Jewish population that Democrats prior to President Obama considered important.
Several other people have pointed out that the Jewish population, while a statistically insignificant part of the total electorate, tends to be concentrated in certain areas of the country, and some of those areas (Florida, for example) are swing states.
While that's certainly true, it doesn't adequately explain the Democratic Party's historic interest in cultivating its connections with Jewish voters. I believe a much more important factor is that for a long list of reasons, primarily a cultural emphasis on promoting education and work ethics, our American Jewish population is disproportionately represented in a number of key professions and many have become major donors to the Democratic Party and individual Democratic candidates.
It will hurt the Democratic Party a tremendous amount of people who typically write $1,000 checks to Democrats write $200 checks instead because they're not convinced the Democratic Party is sufficiently supportive of Israel, or if key parts of our cultural and academic and media elite decide that the Republican Party is worth giving a second look rather than being dismissed as ignorant backwoods idiots.
All that's even with assuming most Jewish voters still vote for Democrats! Think for a moment what would happen if significant parts of the Jewish electorate actually decide to vote Republican.
Here's part of how that could happen.
The Hasidic and Modern Orthodox segments of our Jewish population should have been Republicans all along and there is no good reason that portion of the Jewish community should not become a strong part of the Republican coalition, just as conservative Roman Catholics long ago left the Democratic Party once they decided what developed into the Reagan Coalition held views on abortion which were much more compatible with Roman Catholic doctrine than what was becoming the majority position of the Democratic Party.
As for Conservative and Reform Jews, significant parts of the “neoconservative” movement are loosely observant or nonpracticing Jews, and those Jews who are strong supporters of Israel for secular Zionist reasons may be willing to vote Republican on a case-by-case basis.
The key factor here is support for Israel. The Republican Party has a very long history, for both religious and secular reasons, of supporting Israel. Most Jewish people I know, even if they have very little use for Republicans or for conservative politics, will grudgingly acknowledge that Republicans have a solid history of support for Israel. It will also be acknowledged by secular Jews that the “backwoods idiot fundies” who they despise are deeply committed to supporting Israel as a core religious value. In other words, most American Jews understand that when conservative Republicans say they support Israel, they're not doing it just to win a few votes but because they consider supporting Israel to be a core value, based either on conservative theology or on conservative foreign policy or both.
I see a historic opportunity here for the Republican Party to bring much and perhaps most of the Hasidic and Modern Orthodox segments of American Judaism into the Republican camp, just as was done in the 1970s and 1980s with Roman Catholics. I'm less optimistic about a long-term realignment of less-observant Jews — the Democrats are not idiots and once President Barack Obama is defeated, the Democrats will probably return to someone like Bill Clinton who has a strong history of being pro-Jewish — but given assimilation trends in Judaism it's pretty clear the future of Judaism is with the Hasidim and the Modern Orthodox rather than with secular Judaism.
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Hitting up the Wild Turkey again, are you?
You are basing that on MSM/REP est polls. If you really want to use that argument. I believe the phony polls have Perry losing ground.
Sarah will be running in the very near future, within a month I wager, or thereabouts
Dead wrong. Jews are central to DNC fundraising. If Perry, Turner and others can merely convince them to keep their checkbooks closed for 2012, it will be a critical blow to Obama.
US Jews use Christians but will vote DNC.
Which Jews? Secular "Jews" vote Democrat. But religious Jews vote GOP (73% in 2008). Every cycle there are fewer of the former and more of the latter. In addition, Obama's hatred for Jews and Israel is moving lib Jews away from him.
The term “Conservative Judaism” does not mean what outside observers might think.
Within Judaism, the “Modern Orthodox” are probably most comparable to conservative Protestants and conservative Roman Catholics. Hasidic Judaism, whose most prominent representatives are linked with the Chabad movement, are several steps to the right of the Modern Orthodox and might best be compared to American “world flight” fundamentalism prior to the rise of Jerry Falwell and the Christian religious right. The focus of the Hasidim tends to be on maintaining strict observance of Jewish Law and ritual purity on a personal and communal level, not on “secular” issues like politics, though when Hasidic Jews vote they tend to do so as groups based on the recommendations of their Rabbis and other key leaders.
Of the Jewish “denominations,” Conservative Judaism refers to a type of religious observance which is more traditional than Reform Judaism but considerably less observant than Orthodox Judaism.
Farther to the left there are other small Jewish religious groups that might be comparable to the Unitarian Universalist Association, but it's important to understand the large majority of liberal Jews aren't formally affiliated with a synagogue at all but consider themselves to be ethnically and culturally Jewish despite minimal observance of Jewish religious life. That means the left wing of Judaism is far larger than synagogue membership rolls might indicate.
However, the left wing of Judaism is quickly assimilating into the American population and it is not at all clear that liberal Judaism will continue as a viable force in Jewish religious life. Liberal Judaism is suffering the same fate as liberal Protestantism, namely, it's becoming irrelevant to the children of its adherents. In an American context where there's no shame involved in being Jewish, a shared identity born of persecution once kept liberal Jews within the Jewish fold, but today that shared identity is less and less important to secular Jews who don't believe in the G-d of the Torah and Talmud. At the same time, the emphasis of Hasidic Jews on having large families, just as with conservative Roman Catholics, is creating a built-in advantage for more observant Jewish people. Even if some of their children leave the Hasidic community to become Modern Orthodox, a family with five, eight, or twelve children is much more likely to have those children remain observant Jews of some type than is the case in Jewish families from a Conservative, Reform, or secular Jewish background, and the result is that the entire Jewish population is being pulled rightward by large Hasidic families, and to some extent also Modern Orthodox families.
73% of “religious Jews” voted Republican in 2008? I find that very hard to believe. If you meant to say “Orthodox Jews,” I guess that’s possible, but it still sounds a bit high to me.
BTW, in NY-09 last Tuesday, a survey commissioned on electjon day by the National Organization for Marriage found that Orthodox Jews gave Republican Bob Turner 91% of the vote, but that only 31% (IIRC) of other Jews (including Conservative, Reform and secular Jews) voted for Turner.
If we can get just 40% of the overall Jewish vote, we nail down FL and VA and probably OH and NV, make PA, MI and NJ too close to call, and will be competitive in CT, IL and CA.
I keep thinking that Santorum is going to break out after one of these debates and get in the top three, but it ain't going to happen. What ever keeps you going I guess.
I love Sarah. I really do. There are three few things in my mind that Perry has on Sarah.
1 He served in the US military. Means a lot to me in a President.
2 He served for 10 years as a Governor of a state of 25+ Million people (Alaska has 700+Thousand)
3 He ability to raise a war chest is WAY over Sarah - Passed 30 million already.
4 He is focused. He has not agreed to do a TV show or to be a paid commentator on Fox.
5 He is running for President and Sarah (so far) is not.
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