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New heory Explains How Twin Towers Collapsed: Was Mixture Of Sprinkler Systems And Molten Aluminum
Eurasia Review ^ | September 22, 2011 | Eurasia Review

Posted on 09/21/2011 10:09:40 PM PDT by Ghost of Jesus Gil

Simensen claims that it is overwhelmingly likely that the two aircraft were trapped inside an insulating layer of building debris within the skyscrapers. This leads him to believe that it was the aircraft hulls rather than the buildings themselves that absorbed most of the heat from the burning aircraft fuel.

The SINTEF scientist believes that the heat melted the aluminium of the aircraft hulls, and the core of his theory is that molten aluminium then found its way downwards within the buildings through staircases and gaps in the floor – and that the flowing aluminium underwent a chemical reaction with water from the sprinklers in the floors below.

“Both scientific experiments and 250 reported disasters suffered by the aluminium industry have shown that the combination of molten aluminium and water releases enormous explosions,” said Simensen.

(Excerpt) Read more at eurasiareview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheories; terrorism; wtc

1 posted on 09/21/2011 10:09:48 PM PDT by Ghost of Jesus Gil
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

Does it really matter at this point? Only the wackos believe “we” did it, and we know the buildings fell.

The math is simple:

Skyscraper + flying plane full of fuel = bad.


2 posted on 09/21/2011 10:16:31 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

Don’t need a new theory!


3 posted on 09/21/2011 10:17:55 PM PDT by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

Aluminum isn’t used in rocket fuel for no reason.


4 posted on 09/21/2011 10:25:54 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Balata
Didn't the Brits loose a frigate when the aluminum superstructure was struck by an Exocet missile during the Falklands war.....?
5 posted on 09/21/2011 10:26:54 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obama's ratings are so low...Kenyans accuse him of being born in the USA,)
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To: fso301

Yes powdered aluminum is used in solid propellant rockets it is finely divided & thoroughly mixed with a solid oxidizer & the two components are ignited if the mixture is wrong you get a fizzle .


6 posted on 09/21/2011 10:29:58 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: spokeshave

Yes the ship caught fire & burned into a hulk due to the Brits not being up to speed on damage control / fire fighting.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 10:31:36 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Balata

I just found it interesting as this seems to really be a good article to shut up all the conspiracy types


8 posted on 09/21/2011 10:32:16 PM PDT by Ghost of Jesus Gil
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To: spokeshave

That may be true, but once the the insulation burned off the steel structures of the World Trade centers the steel melted and the buildings collapsed.


9 posted on 09/21/2011 10:34:19 PM PDT by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

lol! I don’t know how you shut up all the conspiracy types. They seem to find their way around all logic.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 10:37:02 PM PDT by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

This is not a new concept:

“Aluminum and the World Trade Center Disaster”

http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf

F. R. Greening Ph.D.
Original Version (01.06): Jan 2006
This version (03.06): April 2006


11 posted on 09/21/2011 10:41:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

This is incredibly stupid!
1. Any evidence of molten aluminum that “flowed” through the buildings? No
2. Chemical change between aluminum and water??? Nothing dramatic - aluminum oxide maybe - harmless
3. Molten metal + water = rapid steam generation. When confined or when inside molten metal, the steam causes “explosions” - No mystery - happens with molten lead, zinc, steel etc.
Theories this lame can only come from dillusional non-scientists.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 10:41:45 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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Ping for later


13 posted on 09/21/2011 10:41:57 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: spokeshave
Didn't the Brits loose a frigate when the aluminum superstructure was struck by an Exocet missile during the Falklands war.....?

HMS Sheffield.

14 posted on 09/21/2011 10:43:04 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: TheZMan
Does it really matter at this point? Only the wackos believe “we” did it, and we know the buildings fell. The math is simple: Skyscraper + flying plane full of fuel = bad.

Only the real wackos want to silence questions.

The math is simple: Shill + brain full of techniques = bad.

15 posted on 09/21/2011 10:45:16 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil
I have THE theory on why and how the towers fell...50 years of liberalism, multicultural rot, political correctness and the so called Commander in Chief X.42 getting Lewinskys in the oval office and whoring after a Nobel prize, instead of honoring his oath to the Constitution and protecting the nation.


Now let some pointy headed intellectuals dissect that THEORY!!

16 posted on 09/21/2011 10:48:15 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: bossmechanic
This is incredibly stupid!
1. Any evidence of molten aluminum that “flowed” through the buildings? No
2. Chemical change between aluminum and water??? Nothing dramatic - aluminum oxide maybe - harmless
3. Molten metal + water = rapid steam generation. When confined or when inside molten metal, the steam causes “explosions” - No mystery - happens with molten lead, zinc, steel etc.
Theories this lame can only come from dillusional non-scientists.

From the article:

Additionally, Simensen added that “The aluminium industry has reported more than 250 aluminium-water explosions since 1980. Alcoa Aluminium carried out an experiment under controlled conditions, in which 20 kilos of aluminium smelt were allowed to react with 20 kilos of water, to which some rust was added. The explosion destroyed the entire laboratory and left a crater 30 metres in diameter.”

So, I guess who is delusional depends on whether Alcoa really carried out such an experiment with the result described.

17 posted on 09/21/2011 11:00:00 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Balata

You can’t shut them up. I’ve found that, at this point, any reasonable person who might have entertained these beliefs has gone out, done a little research, and figured out they were wrong, or been convinced that they were wrong by somebody they mouthed off about it to. Anyone that still believes it is a conspiracy will never be reasoned out of that belief because they are emotionally attached to it.


18 posted on 09/21/2011 11:00:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: CurlyDave
Aluminum superstructures where also used on the old DDGs and DLGs by the Navy. The fire on the Belknap was the reason the Navy went to steel superstructures for later ships.
19 posted on 09/21/2011 11:03:54 PM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: bossmechanic
This is incredibly stupid!

Agreed! You only need to look even conceptually at the mass and heat capacity of the aircraft hull embedded in each building vs the mass and heat capacity of the buildings themselves and the venting paths available, and you know that this is indeed a crackpot theory promoted by a crackpot non-scientist trying to generate some personal publicity.

20 posted on 09/21/2011 11:04:46 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Balata

The steel didn’t even need to melt, but simply get hot enough to weaken, to “lose its temper” in the original sense. Were blobs of melted aluminum found in the debris heaps that were the towers?


21 posted on 09/21/2011 11:56:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: bossmechanic

It’s amazing how people who think they know something come up with such boffos as “dillusional” [sic].


22 posted on 09/21/2011 11:57:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Sometimes called a thermite reaction.


23 posted on 09/22/2011 12:05:01 AM PDT by monocle
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To: bossmechanic

Erm, no. Aluminum + Iron oxide (from the building)= thermite, which burns hot enough to dissociate water into its atomic components. At that point, the oxygen just contributes to the burn. I’m not a chemist, but I know enough about thermite and oxidizers to posit that there might be something to this theory. Metal fires are very real, and can be really ugly things.


24 posted on 09/22/2011 12:18:13 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In fact, an absence of blobs would give some credibility to this theory. There were aluminum planes, they had to go somewhere if no blobs were found. If this is right, that “somewhere” means “aerolized, mixed with oxygen, blown up and turned into grey dust”. Now, was some kind of greyish dust left in the debris? Was it perchance aluminum based?


25 posted on 09/22/2011 12:23:52 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Little Pig

Quite possible, an exothermic reaction.
Interesting.


26 posted on 09/22/2011 12:28:37 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

It also didn’t help that the ship was full of modern plastic materials (upholstery, insulation, cable coatings, etc.) that, when burned, give off very toxic gases. The Brits were not prepared to deal with them. And frankly, neither was the US Navy, who, subsequent to the Falkands War, instigated a major ship refit program to get the materials out of USN ships. However, with the number of ships to be retrofitted, this effort took some time. IIRC, toxic gas from burning plastics also made fighting the fires aboard the USS Stark in 1987 (http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=USS+Stark&s_it=client_searchbox) difficult as well.

One of the last photographs of the Sheffield shows the ship burnt out from stem to stern with the surviving crew mustered aft on the helo flight deck waiting to be evacuated. Very sad end for a gallant ship.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 2:28:36 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The steel didn’t even need to melt, but simply get hot enough to weaken, to “lose its temper” in the original sense.


Thats all it took.


28 posted on 09/22/2011 2:32:26 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

“combination of molten aluminum and water releases enormous explosions”

yep, I knew they blew it up /sarc (do you really need that?)


29 posted on 09/22/2011 2:52:27 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: bossmechanic
1. Any evidence of molten aluminum that “flowed” through the buildings? No

I don't know about that one. This past 9/11 I decided to watch History Channel's "102 Minutes that Changed America" (un-narrated running footage mostly from individuals who had camcorders) instead of the ceremonies.

One set of footage did show molten something or other - a lot of it - pouring out of a hole in a corner of one of the towers a couple/few floors below the impact point. I've seen lots of the WTC footage over the last 10 years (let's face it, all of us have) and had was really struck by how I'd never seen that piece before.
30 posted on 09/22/2011 2:59:27 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: bossmechanic

Do these people seem “dillusional?” This pdf takes a bit of time do load but it is worth reading.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDAQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pyrotek.info%2Fdocuments%2Finsight_newsletter%2FAluminium_Insight_2011-02_Wise_Chem-Explosions.pdf&rct=j&q=alcoa%20lab%20explosion&ei=-Qd7Toa-Gs-utwfWp6QJ&usg=AFQjCNGDEbof_yzsT7yQ4WmLZOOFvYb_IQ&cad=rja


31 posted on 09/22/2011 3:08:15 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

1 more B.S. theory. The 10,000 gallons of K1 jet fuel combined with combustables, flamables, and the stack effect had nothing to do with it, it was the spinkler system. sarc. Science has really suffered in this country.


32 posted on 09/22/2011 3:27:48 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Ya know that sounds highly plauseable aided by the jet fuel which probably burst the oxygen tanks.
Powdered alumium and powdered rust with an oxidizer= thermit.
Potassium cloride and finely powdered aluminmum equal parts =flash powder. Solid magnesium burns hot (and bright)so will aluminum if flaked and it gets hot enough ,....


33 posted on 09/22/2011 4:13:33 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor Fredrick The Great paraphrased)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil
The pitot tube in my airplane is aluminum casted. The heating element went on a thermal runaway and when the ice and water contacted the pitot tube during a flight in bad weather, the entire thing exploded off the wing and blew all my pitot static instruments to hell thru the tubing as a result of the explosion pressure.

Aluminum does not tolerate contact with water when molten. It does not sizzle, it explodes.

34 posted on 09/22/2011 4:33:57 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: meatloaf
"The fire on the Belknap was the reason the Navy went to steel superstructures for later ships."

I was in a whaleboat rescuing survivors the night of the Belknap fire (Boat Engineer, A-gang, USS Ricketts DDG5).

I remember seeing the superstructure the morning after and noting the extreme amount of damage from the aluminum melting. The forward smoke stack had actually melted and folded down upon a loaded ASROCK launcher. Had it been steel, some of the fire might have been contained and been easier to fight.

35 posted on 09/22/2011 4:59:37 AM PDT by roxtar221 (It's only hubris if I fail)
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To: SFConservative

Well, it least the “aluminum” crackpots weren’t saying Bush did it!


36 posted on 09/22/2011 5:06:28 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: SFConservative

Well, it least the “aluminum” crackpots weren’t saying Bush did it!


37 posted on 09/22/2011 5:06:42 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: monocle

Yup. Done by most of us (very carefully) in college chemistry lab.


38 posted on 09/22/2011 5:16:21 AM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil
"I just found it interesting as this seems to really be a good article to shut up all the conspiracy types"

I was thinking the same thing. This sure does explain away many of the seemingly plausible arguments the conspiracy crowd have.

39 posted on 09/22/2011 5:16:41 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

“I was thinking the same thing. This sure does explain away many of the seemingly plausible arguments the conspiracy crowd have.”

Maybe, maybe not...

It doesn’t explain everything like building #7 which fell around 5:20pm.

I believe that the Soloman Bros was under investigation at the time and miraculously ALL of the records were destroyed in that building.

Pretty convenient I would say...

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11576/New_911_Building_7_Collapse_Clearly_Shows_Demoliti/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc


40 posted on 09/22/2011 6:05:03 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil
Sigh...

Let take a quick look at an aircraft structure please. It is made of THIN aluminum:
- Skin TIN
- Longerons THIN
- Wing Spar thick
- Wing struts & skin THIN

90% of an aircraft is made of metal 3/32 or less in thickness.

There was no aircraft post impact. It was aluminum confetti with the exception of the engine cores and the landing gear which are hefty alloys.

So guess what was found post crash? Engine cores and landing gear. Momentum kept them going through the buildings, the rest...

As to this “blob” of aluminum... Nope. Not even close to probable. Confetti.... Think confetti.

41 posted on 09/22/2011 7:07:15 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

Ah Ha, the entire chemical and metal industrial complex was part of the plan! But everyone knows that metal does not burn.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 8:43:59 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: TheZMan
Skyscraper + flying plane full of fuel = bad.

That might be good enough for you. But for engineers figuring this stuff out and then building things better the next time... that is what we LIVE for.
43 posted on 09/22/2011 9:02:42 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: CurlyDave
HMS Sheffield.

Again

1. HMS Sheffield had a steel superstructure

2, All damage was from out of control internal fires

3. Externally, the ship lost a little paint. There was no superstructure or hull damage (other than the hole the missile went through)

Port side

Starboard side

(Until next time)

44 posted on 09/22/2011 9:20:21 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

Don’t post much here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:ghostofjesusgil/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


45 posted on 09/22/2011 10:40:48 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: GreyFriar

Another day, another theory.


46 posted on 09/22/2011 10:42:38 AM PDT by zot
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To: mosesdapoet

Commercial airliners cabin pressurization is run off of the engines, the emergency oxygen system is generated by a generating canister not a high pressure tank system.


47 posted on 09/22/2011 11:00:41 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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