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Perry is blowing it (Needs better grasp of issues, stamina to pick apart Romney's contradictions)
Washington Examiner ^ | 09/23/2011 | Philip Klein

Posted on 09/22/2011 9:10:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney is an incredibly vulnerable Republican candidate, from his numerous policy reversals to his championing of the Massachusetts health care law that served as the basis from Obamacare. But for him to lose, somebody else has to beat him. And like Tim Pawlenty before him, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is blowing his chances to exploit Romney’s weaknesses.

The defining moment in this debate may well have been the point at which Perry went on the attack against Romney for being a flip flopper. As I noted earlier, there’s a long file to choose from. And Perry had clearly rehearsed such an attack – you can tell he was starting to go through the list of issues Romney had reversed on, and even used the “for it before he was against” phrasing, a not-so-subtle reference to the infamous Massachusetts flip flopper, Sen. John Kerry. But the exchange came toward the end of the debate, and as has been his habit, Perry began to fade as the debate wore on. During this particular answer, he wrestled for words and stammered. He couldn’t finish his sentences. If you weren’t a political junkie who knew all of the background, you’d have no idea what Perry was mumbling about. And Romney's smooth response made him come off as more steady and reassuring, even though on substance, Perry should have owned him.

The rest of the debate was hit or miss for Perry. But when he received an admittedly difficult question about what he would do if he got a 3 a.m. phone call informing him that Pakistan’s nukes had been taken over by Islamists, he struggled. He ended up giving an incoherent answer that was more of an information dump of random stuff he had been briefed on about the region. It was not very reassuring for those of us who are waiting to see if Perry can prove his dissenters wrong and come off as someone substantive, capable of beating President Obama, and of running the country competently.

Romney remains vulnerable. And unlike Pawlenty, Perry is starting from a stronger position in the polls, so he certainly has a good chance of ultimately winning. However, he’s going to have to step up his game by showing a better grasp of the issues, more stamina in these debates, and by being able to take apart Romney’s endless contradictions. In short, Perry has not blown it, but he is blowing it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; mittromney; potus; rickperry; rinoperry; rinorick; weakperryvsromney
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1 posted on 09/22/2011 9:11:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He has screwed himself regarding his bowing to illegals and foreign policy.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 9:12:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If it doesn’t work out for Rick maybe he can try running for president of Mexico.


3 posted on 09/22/2011 9:14:02 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Obama has created more jobs in soup kitchens than anyone since Jimmy Carter)
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To: SeekAndFind

a revealing night.


4 posted on 09/22/2011 9:14:23 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What Perry can’t do in the debates, he will succeed in doing with MASSIVE ads.

No worries, we are electing a president, not a debate captain.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 9:15:20 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: SeekAndFind

Announcing that conservatives that don’t want in-state for illegals are “heartless” is sure to help in the primaries. lol. His opponents should use that in their commercials.


6 posted on 09/22/2011 9:16:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Since rino Perry calls us “heartless”, we should not even consider voting for him.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 9:17:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind
He might have blown it. I believe people are starting to write him off en masse.

Romney is now the prohibitive favorite. We lose even if we win.

The GOP has screwed itself again.

8 posted on 09/22/2011 9:18:22 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“No worries, we are electing a president, not a debate captain.”

Nice spin, but let’s face it...he stunk on ice tonite. Looked like there was no substance, not just no style. And you think debates don’t count? Really?


9 posted on 09/22/2011 9:20:37 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I think Perry should run against Obama IN A DEMOCRAT PRIMARY.


10 posted on 09/22/2011 9:20:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gives them $535 million and they take "the fifth" when asked where it went.)
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To: GeronL

Perry was definitely channeling his inner Lindsey Graham tonight.


11 posted on 09/22/2011 9:20:54 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: GeronL

Apparently, that bill went through with a veto-proof majority.


12 posted on 09/22/2011 9:23:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Perry might be better off debating en espagnol. In english, not so much.


13 posted on 09/22/2011 9:24:13 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Obama has created more jobs in soup kitchens than anyone since Jimmy Carter)
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To: Gene Eric

did he call Obama “heartless” ??

or does he reserve that for conservatives like a good rino?


14 posted on 09/22/2011 9:24:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

He simply acts like he is in pain. He was the same last week. He had back surgery the end of July and this is still too early for someone who had recent back surgery to stand up front for two hours. Severe pain also affects your thought processes. I am not excusing him, just believe that I have made the correct observation. I also saw him at a major speech in Virginia, and there was no problem. Some people are not debaters. That does not mean that he would not do a good job. I simply can’t vote for Romney and don’t think the others could beat Obama. So Perry it is for me, come hell or high water.


15 posted on 09/22/2011 9:25:17 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry must be saying to himself-Can I take my toys and go home!? How he ever thought he could win the base???????? Anyone but Obama, must be the logic, I guess. He is just another branch of Rove’s compassionate conservatism.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 9:25:38 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Yeah.

A guy with a great record on guns, abortion, taxes, spending, business regulation, job creation, etc. definitely has no place in the Republican Party.

17 posted on 09/22/2011 9:26:36 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: jessduntno

No one watches these debates. heck, I am a political junky who lives and breathes this stuff 12 hours a day and I almost missed watching it!

The debates are good practice for the candidates, and an opportunity to sort of introduce themselves to the public a bit, but that’s about it. If they were as important as some here seem to be claiming then Cain and Gingrich would be skyrocketing in the polls, instead of lanquishing in the low single digits.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 9:28:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“No worries, we are electing a president, not a debate captain.”

That might be true against anyone other than Obama. I’m sorry but that man is the smoothest talker. Look at all the people he fooled.


19 posted on 09/22/2011 9:28:47 PM PDT by willk
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To: SeekAndFind

Check out my Post from earlier.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2782486/posts


20 posted on 09/22/2011 9:29:19 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: GeronL; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; Sea Parrot; ...
Announcing that conservatives that don’t want in-state for illegals are “heartless” is sure to help in the primaries.

That, and his moronic comment in the CNN debate wherein he said "it doesn't make any difference what the sound of your last name is" show what a clown Perry really is.

It's one thing for Obama and the democRATs to play the race card but Perry has no problem playing it against conservatives. One would have to be blind or liberal to believe he won't do more of the same once in the White House.

No Perry, no way.

21 posted on 09/22/2011 9:29:58 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: comebacknewt

This coming from someone with a pro-Newt signature.


22 posted on 09/22/2011 9:30:21 PM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of my first thoughts after the debate was, that the beltway people were toasting after seeing Perry come to the crash and burn. Sure, he’s not out but he is no conservative. Newt is great, brillant but he worries me that he will fall right back into his old patterns of giving his liberla friends some of the power-to be fair crap and allow them to set the issues.


23 posted on 09/22/2011 9:30:54 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The entire political left, the GOP establishment, and the supporters of other GOP candidates (both real and imagined) wanted to destroy Rick Perry. In my view, they have likely done it.

That gives us candidate Romney for 2012. It also likely gives us a right-wing third party candidate who amasses enough votes to send the Kenyan back for a second term.

Not exactly what I was hoping for just a few short weeks ago.

24 posted on 09/22/2011 9:31:42 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a native Texan. Those of us who know him best, know he’s a light-weight. HE WILL NOT BE THE GOP NOMINEE.


25 posted on 09/22/2011 9:33:30 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: willk
well then heck! why freaking raise a billion for running ads when you all need to do it take some debate lessons!

lol

seriously, none of this matters.

100’s of millions will be spent by these candidates before this is all over, and they will get to clarify every position till people can recite their position back to them before it's over.

26 posted on 09/22/2011 9:33:38 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: SeekAndFind
Gee I hate to sound like a broken record or an I told you so kind of guy, but I have been posting this same message here for almost six months, ever since Perry's name first came up.

I live in Texas. I have friends that know GWB and Perry both - and they say the same thing about both of them. Talk to them in private, one on one, and they are lucid, direct, and make sense. Get them under TV lights with microphones shoved in their faces and they start stammering and fumbling around.

I remember sitting with a friend of mine that knows GWB very well. We were watching TV and they showed a clip of one of GWB’s famous aaaa, eer, stumbling bumbling answers. My friend nearly jumped out of chair and yelled, “who is that guy, if he talked like that in private I would have never given him a dime.”

The secret to Reagan was not his brain power, it was his ability to look straight into the camera, keep his thoughts together, and answer in a way that the average Joe on the street could understand. This is only my opinion, but while we have some smart people, and we even have a few reasonably conservative people, from a communication standpoint we don't even have a half a Reagan running. And as far as Perry's politics go (or any of the other candidates for that matter) if you can't communicate your ideas, it hardly makes any difference what your ideas are.

By all rights 2012 should be a cake walk for the Republicans. But the poor communicators we have are going to let it become a horse race - and one that could be lost.

27 posted on 09/22/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: no dems

and those of us who have eyes can see who else is actually running and know none of them can beat him.

Perry isn’t running against your imagination, he is running against those other people on that stage. And once you take a long look at the others.... you realize real quick that unless something amazing happens Perry’s got this.


28 posted on 09/22/2011 9:36:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
No one watches these debates.

Really? I'd bet that those who measure television audiences would beg to differ.

GOP Debate Massively Boosts MSNBC; Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, September 11, 211

GOP debate scores big ratings for Fox News

29 posted on 09/22/2011 9:37:53 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry = The Other McCain)
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To: I cannot think of a name

George W Bush won two terms, and so will Perry faults and all.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 9:38:10 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: comebacknewt

The GOP has screwed itself again.
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Well, what are you gonna do when good people like Sen. Jim DeMint and former Gov. Sarah Palin or even a bare-knuckles fighter like Chris Christie, refuse to get into the race? You play with the hand you’re dealt.


31 posted on 09/22/2011 9:38:18 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Just wait before long Perry will start in on the self depracating humor about how poor a debator he is, the expectations will start to lower and then BAM! he will hit a home run heard round the world in 30 second sound bites.


32 posted on 09/22/2011 9:39:37 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: GeronL

Perry’s defense of subsidizing illegals tuition reminds me of George Bush’s ‘nativist’ accusations towards us when we were opposing his amnesty bill. None of these folks is our sentimental ideal of an emerging Reagan. I will vote for a three-legged skunk in order to be rid of Obama and pray that the Tea Party contingent in the House can help minimize fuzzy thinking.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 9:39:45 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: TexasFreeper2009

George W Bush won two terms, and so will Perry faults and all.
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O.K., TexasFreeper; lay down the crack pipe.......


34 posted on 09/22/2011 9:40:30 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry never followed up on his accusation that Romney wobbles on the 2nd Amendmend issue. Why did he not?

Very important issue for many Americans. Perry lost ground in many ways tonight, also on the immigration issue. He sounds less conservative than he makes himself out to be.


35 posted on 09/22/2011 9:41:47 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: South40

yawn.

5.4 million out of 300 million+

1.8% of the population, mostly partisans rooting their particular candidate on.


36 posted on 09/22/2011 9:43:47 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: 353FMG
Don't worry he WILL follow up.

It's called ADS folks.

Perry will have 100’s of millions to spend destroying Romney in ads, be patient.

37 posted on 09/22/2011 9:45:23 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: I cannot think of a name

I’m from Boston and was speaking with a few friends ( all conservatives ) and potential nominees and we really do not know how Perry is thought of in Texas.

I have seen some very damning comments from some of your fellow Texans on FR. Can you give me any idea how well Perry is thought of?


38 posted on 09/22/2011 9:45:47 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: willk

>Look at all the people he fooled.<

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Don’t you think that the color of his skin had something to do with it?


39 posted on 09/22/2011 9:45:53 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: GeronL

I understand the implications of the trait he assigned to himself, and it was indeed a “compassionate conservative” moment. But I wouldn’t take it personally.


40 posted on 09/22/2011 9:46:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: dogcaller
Sadly, Pres. Obama has taken some major steps towards reelection in recent weeks, and he didn't even have to lift a finger to do it.

Our second tier conservative candidates successfully eviscerated the front running conservative (who was woefully unprepared to fight off their attacks).

Of course, that all but hands the nomination now to Willard Romney. Look for lots of exposes on scary Mormons, discussions of RomneyCare being the model for ObamaCare, and a credible third party challenger from the right after the nomination has been formally secured.

We have taken what should have been a slam dunk election against the worst President in history, and have utterly blown it.

I suggest some of you guys drink heavily and celebrate the Perry implosion now, because the Obama hangover that is coming next fall might just finish us all off.

41 posted on 09/22/2011 9:48:07 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: no dems
There is only two possible outcomes ... Perry wins this early, or Perry wins a long drawn out battle with Romney. But make no mistake, in the end Perry will win.

Romney will win:
new hampshire
michigan
arizona
vermont
maryland
connecticut
rhode island

and Perry will win everything else, mark my words. This will be a repeat of the 2000 primaries with Perry playing the part of Bush and Romney playing the part of McCain.

42 posted on 09/22/2011 9:48:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ummmmm. Can someone remind me how many REAL debates obama engaged in? How did he handle the press during the primaries and more importantly after Hilly bowed out?


43 posted on 09/22/2011 9:50:32 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If Romney wins South Carolina, Perry will drop out shortly thereafter.

At this point, I see that as a very real possibility.

44 posted on 09/22/2011 9:51:56 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
No one watches these debates.

I agree. This debate doesn't matter in itself. However, Perry needs to prove he can play, sometime in a debate.

45 posted on 09/22/2011 9:52:54 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are 9 more debates. Next, Oct 11 at Dartmouth College in Hanover, NH. After that in Las Vegas.

Perry has plenty of time to regroup and get prepared.

Lets all remember the terrible performance Reagan had in debate #1 against Mondale in 1984? He was an old man who recovered nicely. Perry can too.

46 posted on 09/22/2011 9:53:01 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: comebacknewt

lol

The mormon Romney will win South Carolina right after the sun stops shinning for good.


47 posted on 09/22/2011 9:53:50 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: Gene Eric

I do take it personally, I am heartless unlike Obama who he has “high respect” for.


48 posted on 09/22/2011 9:53:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: comebacknewt
Romney is now the prohibitive favorite. We lose even if we win.

Not a stinkin' chance. The day Romney wins the nomination is the day I start campaigning for the strongest conservative 3rd party candidate.

See tagline.
49 posted on 09/22/2011 9:55:21 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Reagan Man

Finally, someone remembers how poorly many of our past winners have performed in debates.

They really are not that important, about one step above giving a single speech to a crowd.


50 posted on 09/22/2011 9:55:22 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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