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At GOP debate, crowd boos gay soldier's question on 'don't ask, don't tell' (Barf Alert)
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gay-soldier-boos-20110922,0,975031.story ^ | 9-22-2011 | Michael A. Memoli

Posted on 09/22/2011 11:29:45 PM PDT by SideoutFred

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Just like the last debate where the liberal media pushed that the GOP wants people to die, this is their next attempt to smear. It's ironic that they don't realize that military support for the GOP is more than 2 to 1. Or they don't mention that Republican families join the military at far greater rates than Democrats do.
1 posted on 09/22/2011 11:29:52 PM PDT by SideoutFred
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To: SideoutFred

Did the soldier get booed immediately? I recall Santorum being cheered for his answer. Now I have to watch that section again.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 11:32:34 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: SideoutFred
Santorum hit that question out of the park. You gotta love Rick.


3 posted on 09/22/2011 11:33:54 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Netizen

I don’t think he got booed at all, it was the policy that was being booed. Nevertheless, the media and liberals will run wild with this stuff. It’s all they have at this point.

Pretty sad and ironic to say the least. The vast majority of military support the GOP over the Dems by huge margins, but many of these liberals are too stupid to understand this. The comments section in that LA Times article needs a little conservative love!!


4 posted on 09/22/2011 11:36:21 PM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: SideoutFred

I wish people wouldn’t boo or cheer at these things. Let the answers come, and let viewers sit there and think for themselves.

We are right on so many issues, but those we hope to sway back off at such displays.

No, I’m not talking about preventing freedom of expression. I’m just recalling how when I wasn’t as conservative as I am now, listening to the answers, and then later then the MSM flipped out over certain things, I’d think “That’s not how I received that answer.”

The cheering and such makes it so much more like a lib feel-good event, instead of an opportunity to hear responses. And I don’t care if someone’s gay or whatever, if they’re a soldier they deserve to say what they have to say, even if it’s stupid.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 11:40:10 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: SideoutFred

I’ll try to translate the homo speak...”can I, as a gay person, prance around in tight pink shirts, while marching with my partner and a gun and those who oppose my fabulous lifestyle should be punished?”


6 posted on 09/22/2011 11:41:39 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: max americana

Dang Max, You translated that a little TOOOO well..

Anything you wanna share with us? ;)


7 posted on 09/22/2011 11:49:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: SideoutFred

The social issues haven’t been discussed enough in the debates.
The two Ricks will tear Romney to pieces if they ever remember to mention the taxpayer-funded abortion coverage in RomneyCare.


8 posted on 09/22/2011 11:52:46 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: rfp1234

And of course much of the progress toward Mass gay marriage was made under Mitt’s watch.


9 posted on 09/22/2011 11:54:49 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: SideoutFred
It seems that he thinks the military care’s about “who I am” Its not about him personally. Not a social club. Its to protect the country and fight, break and kill things...Perhaps he needs a new occupation, outside of the military... The military really doesn't care about “who” a heterosexual is either. They should be caring about weather they can win and war and come home safe.. Its not about the individual, but the team, and also I'll watch your back and you watch mine..(with our clothes on).
10 posted on 09/22/2011 11:54:53 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SideoutFred

it won’t be long before the left pushes for affirmative action for having a certain number of homos in the military .. having homo marriages at the base chapel with the newly married couple walking together under the sword arch and then all the homos partying all night at the officer’s club.. it’s coming soon to a military base near you


11 posted on 09/23/2011 12:01:28 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: rfp1234

Very true, but Romney is dead right on immigration and Perry is completely loco on it.

None of these candidates is going to be perfect, just the way it is.


12 posted on 09/23/2011 12:02:21 AM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: Netizen

>> Did the soldier get booed immediately?

The audience was notably quiet except for a couple of boos once the video of the self-described homosexual soldier ended.


13 posted on 09/23/2011 12:07:25 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: SideoutFred
I'm just concerned that Romney couldn't even beat McAmnesty and Huckabee last time around. Who knows what dirty tricks Axelrod & Co. are planning if he's the nominee...It's a lose-lose for the GOP at this moment.

And Issa just jumped the gun by endorsing Mitt. That is a political distraction from his principal duty, which is to investigate the Demorat-nest in D.C.

14 posted on 09/23/2011 12:12:18 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: rfp1234

McCain was just like Dole...”next in line”. The GOP does this every so often and then realizes typically by the next election that they better nominate someone who can actually win.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 12:23:21 AM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: Darkwolf377

This has been shoved down our throats so much it is hard not to let out some remark!! When I was in the military it was not tolerated you were drummed out. Unfit to serve! When your in boot camp and have to take showers with other guys you sure don’t want some gay guy scoping you out!!!


16 posted on 09/23/2011 12:25:14 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: max americana

NO!!!!!


17 posted on 09/23/2011 12:25:58 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: SideoutFred
In a video submission, Stephen Hill told the Republican presidential candidates that he "had to lie about who he was" when he was deployed to Iraq in 2010 because of his sexual orientation, and his fear that he would "lose my job."

Lie about who he was? What is it about being gay that REQUIRES him to mention "who he is?" What is it about the military that REQUIRES him to lie?

18 posted on 09/23/2011 12:28:28 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: tallyhoe

You seem to be suggesting I support his point of view. I’ve done no such thing. I just think those who are serving have the right to ask a question of a candidate—yep, even gay ones.

Doesn’t mean I support the point of view. But I don’t get this “shoving down our throats” thing. Nothing any supporter of this crap has ever done has been about that. (VOTING for pols who support such positions is something else entirely.)

I don’t see what is achieved by the crowd responses in these situations. Much better, to me, to let them have their say, and then let the candidates articulate their positions. If they make sense, then those we need to draw to our side will not be put off by boos that hit people on the emotional level. Let the intellectual argument carry the day, not momentarily satisfying boos.


19 posted on 09/23/2011 12:35:35 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: SideoutFred

Yup. The same idiot party that’s about to honor Rangel the crook.

If I were Frankenstein I’d take Newt’s brain, Santorum’s courage, Perry’s heart, Cain’s business acumen, and Romney’s debating skills, sew everything together, and presto, there’s your candidate. (For effect I’d also dress up Bachmann as Dorothy, and add Gary Johnson’s dog.)


20 posted on 09/23/2011 12:55:41 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Anybody but Baracchio in 2012)
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To: SideoutFred
Who's the idiot that chose Chris Wallace, Bret Baier, and Megyn Kelly to ask the questions?
How more liberal can you get?

How about getting some intelligent people to ask questions?
Fox news does have intelligent reporters, such as Sean Hannity, Oliver North, and Monica Crowley.
Wasn't that snobbish liberal Chris Wallace FIRED from ABC for his stinking liberal bias?
How can Fox News be so stupid?
21 posted on 09/23/2011 1:02:02 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: SideoutFred

That’s part of the probem. He thinks it’s just a job.


22 posted on 09/23/2011 1:11:31 AM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: Darkwolf377

IMO - He was free to ask whatever he wanted and people were free to boo him. And I say this with a Daughter and Son in law both in the USAF and having done tours in the sandbox.

They did not boo his service, they booed his demand for invented sexual rights that are now being forced on the military. He’s a soldier and I respect that and his service totally. I have nothing but disdain for him putting his sex practices over that service. What of the straight soldiers? They will be drummed out if they say anything against homosexuality publicly? Is it not up to us to defend THEM?

As to what is achieved, I would submit that such a forum is the only way the public will ever see just how disgusted we are with the gay agenda because the news censors all opposition. In that live situation, it was all but impossible without such censorship being noted and discussed further.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 1:13:53 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Norm Lenhart
They did not boo his service, they booed his demand for invented sexual rights that are now being forced on the military.

And Bush wasn't saying "Mission Accomplished" regarding Iraq but about one ship, and Reagan wasn't laying a wreath to honor Nazism, and Star Wars wasn't about Reagan bringing weapons into space.

FIghting this straw man of "they did not boo his service" may make you feel good, but it has nothing to do with perception and reality.

People don't like to see American soldiers booed. Period.

What of the straight soldiers? They will be drummed out if they say anything against homosexuality publicly? Is it not up to us to defend THEM?

What does that have to do with anything? Are straight soldiers now being drummed out for saying they're straight?

Straight soldiers can take care of themselves. Gay soldiers can, too. I guess I just feel that putting their lives on the line for my benefit--yes, gay people are defending your life, just as straight people are--means I owe them more than can ever be repaid. Letting them have their say and then letting the candidates reply (I don't recall any of them defending gays in their responses) with respect for all involved doesn't seem like something that's hurting straight soldiers.

The point, as opposed to all this smoke and mirrors, is that I don't support American soldiers only if they express the same opinions as I hold.

As the son of a veteran and someone who has a relative over in Iraq for his third go-round, I guess I'm overly sensitive to letting these brave and sometimes gay people have the floor without my booing them for expressing an opinion I don't share. I think it's called "manners".

24 posted on 09/23/2011 1:20:13 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: Gene Eric

Just watched it again. He finished asking and one maybe two people booed. It certainly wasn’t a crowd.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 1:21:11 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Darkwolf377

I guess we just disagree. I don’t like having American soldiers on TV promoting the gay agenda as if it’s a good thing whether Obama calls it legal or not.

What I think it has to with is everything. Had a straight soldier got up there and said “I am against the DADT repeal” they would quickly find themselves pushing a broom on a flightline until they made a mistake that got them courtmartialed or ‘pressured’ by the brass to ‘move on’ from military service.

But they know better. So we civvies have to defend those who defend us - in whatever small ways we can. It disgusts me that our soldiers are put in such a position to begin with. As I said earlier, just my opinion.


26 posted on 09/23/2011 1:30:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: SideoutFred

I didn`t watch it, so my question is, was it the soldier or the open homosexuality issue that was booed? There is a huge difference.

That said, these audience reactions could be costly to the GOP.


27 posted on 09/23/2011 1:30:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (With "successes" like the Libya adventure, who needs failure?)
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>>homosexuality issue that was booed?

The audience didn’t agree to the fact that one’s sexual interests should be made open /it should be a private issue for each person serving/as DADT was in place for years.


28 posted on 09/23/2011 1:39:44 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SideoutFred
The LA Times doesn't know DADT was repealed? The guy told everyone he was gay and the crowd expressed what they thought of it. As the gays so boldly said--GET OVER IT! Photobucket
29 posted on 09/23/2011 1:46:30 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: ScottinVA

I think it was the question that was booed, not the soldier.


30 posted on 09/23/2011 1:52:54 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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it won’t be long before the left pushes for affirmative action for having a certain number of homos in the military
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I think they already have somewhat, can’t recall the details but the Marine Corp has said they would recruit the most.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/us/marine-recruiters-visit-gay-center-in-oklahoma.html?_r=1&hp


31 posted on 09/23/2011 1:53:01 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Norm Lenhart

I don’t see what asking the question has to do with promoting an agenda. I don’t understand the fear and whining victimization about being straight—straights can handle ourselves and don’t fear the weirdos (sorry) somehow perverting us just by existing. I don’t see any evidence of straights in the military or anywhere else being victimized just because the media are full of gays.

Somehow heterosexuality has managed to survive a long, long time without all this boo hooing about how we’re being ‘victimized.’

I respect soldiers. Asking a question as this one did wasn’t pushing an agenda.

Conservatives used to be about “you do your thing, just don’t stop me from doing mine” and “I don’t agree with what you say, but I respect your right to say it.”

Now? It’s all about how we can portray ourselves as victims the way we have always hated the libs for doing.

I’m no victim of the gay agenda, and neither are any straights I know. A lot of this comes from this fear that gays are somehow plotting against the rest of us on a personal level, which makes me think some people have unresolved stuff they have to deal with.

This has nothing to do with imposing the gay agenda in schools or giving gays special rights, which of course we can all agree is vile and must be fought. But a soldier asking a simple questions?

Nope. That doesn’t ‘victimize’ anyone, and I must have missed where mainstream Americans aren’t allowed to express themselves.

But the gays are probably dancing in the streets over those boos tonight. To those who booed, I’d actually question whose side they’re on, because they just gave the gays ammo money can’t buy, and what did they gain for us with their childish TV-audience behavior? Absolutely nothing.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 1:54:02 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: ScottinVA
There's also the flip side. They could be advantageous.
33 posted on 09/23/2011 1:54:30 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

Well, that despicable political hack, Adm. Mullen, did say that having open homosexuality in the military made the military stronger.


34 posted on 09/23/2011 2:30:39 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Gene Eric

The booing stopped abruptly. The way I took it was that at first it seemed the soldier was going to COMPLAIN about the repeal of DADT and the boos were, in effect, to support his complaint.

When it became clear that he was on the other side of the issue, the audience became quiet.

If a soldier had said, “I’m concerned about the repeal of DADT” and the audience booed the repeal, and then the soldier wnet on to say “This is one of the worst policies for combat readiness, will you reinstate DADT?,” the booing would have been considered fine.

That said, people should keep fairly quiet at these things because it’s hard to tell how reactions will be interpreted and what will develop in a question or answer.


35 posted on 09/23/2011 2:35:08 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: rfp1234

From what I saw tonight, it seems to me that Perry is going to fade fast and that, surprizingly, Santorum will be the one who will best be able to take on Mitt and beat him.

Gingrich will help, but he’ll have to settle for being Santorum’s VP in this scenario. His experience would be great, but no one wants Calista as First Lady. :)


36 posted on 09/23/2011 2:37:05 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Lady Lucky

Not only that, the policy was called “don’t ask, don’t tell.”


37 posted on 09/23/2011 2:38:08 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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38 posted on 09/23/2011 3:39:52 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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39 posted on 09/23/2011 3:42:13 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: SideoutFred

I’m not interested in a homosexual’s love life. Not at all. Having them push their sexuality on me is open sexual harassment and invites an appropriate response.


40 posted on 09/23/2011 4:51:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SideoutFred

“Don’t ask don’t tell” was one of Clinton’s notions, and Santorum wants re-instate it.


41 posted on 09/23/2011 5:46:58 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: SideoutFred

All this suggests the so called soldier—and his question were a set up. I have no doubts “they Know” all this and are still trying to drive wedges — the old divide and conquer tactic.


42 posted on 09/23/2011 6:13:11 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Netizen

The “soldier” was telling a LIE when he /she/it said they “had to lie” or they would lose their job. He/she/it had to lie ,as instructed, to advance the “cause” the queering of America.
theirs is a lifestyle/ orientation that springs from LIES told.


43 posted on 09/23/2011 6:16:18 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: rfp1234
I'm just concerned that Romney couldn't even beat McAmnesty and Huckabee last time around. Who knows what dirty tricks Axelrod & Co. are planning if he's the nominee...It's a lose-lose for the GOP at this moment.

Precisely. I've been asking for a while why we'd nominate the guy who lost to the guy who lost to zer0bama?

Do we really want a confirmed loser as our canidate?
44 posted on 09/23/2011 6:20:23 AM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: SideoutFred

A question for anyone with up to date knowledge on UCMJ laws, are these laws still on the books?

I won’t cherry picks specific articles, so I’ve supplied the link to all articles for opinions.

http://www.dod.gov/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html


45 posted on 09/23/2011 6:20:28 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Fall...the "Goebbles Warmers" are packing their bags , migrating for their winter caves.)
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To: greenhornet68

Maybe it is just I never watched all of the old MASH tv series enough times but I don’t recall Klinger EVER being
homosexual— he was just a guy who thought he had found a really good ruse to get out of Korea. I seem to recall one episode where he clearly said “you know I’m not like that. I just wear the dresses to get out of here.”Or something along those lines.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 7:42:14 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Darkwolf377

The news media shoving down our throats on this subject. Not you. This whole issue with the News media gay this gay that transgender this that! That is what I’m talking about. Why did Fox put this video on at the debates.. This is not a major issue with me or I’m sure with a lot of Americans!!!


47 posted on 09/23/2011 10:08:57 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Darkwolf377

I would have to disagree with you on this one. I like the audience responses because it shows that there is life and energy in the Republican Party as opposed to the old stereotype of the staid, boring GOP. Also, the American public has been bashed by the liberal media all of their lives. They are made to feel that they are the only ones who have conservative views. Everything from the news to the entertainment programs are slanted to promote the liberal message. When people call out from the audience it shows a show of strength that the American people have been waiting for for a long time. At last they see a room full of a HUGE crowd that agrees with them. This is empowering.


48 posted on 09/23/2011 1:15:49 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“Don’t ask, don’t tell” was a compromise which was worked out by Colin Powell and Clinton. When Clinton came into office one of the first things he did was to openly admit gays into the military. Don’t ask, don’t tell was only a compromise. As you can see, the gays were not satisfied with that just as they were not satisfied with civil unions.


49 posted on 09/23/2011 1:41:50 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Santorum wants to go back to a position of compromise, yes.


50 posted on 09/23/2011 2:49:03 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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